Freedom of speech, Joe Rogan, Neil Young, and a Politico opinion piece:

[Moonbeam]

Opinion | The Dangerous Appeal of Neil Young’s Righteous Censorship

Joe Rogan’s all wrong on Covid vaccines, but nothing good comes from stifling free speech.

www.politico.com

In this piece, as I read it we hear an appeal to free speech and a critique of Young as attempting to silence it. It raises the most difficult issue there is in politics and moral thinking generally, also in my opinion. I am of the belief that freedom of speech is one of the most threatened rights our liberal Forefathers established constitutionally and one of the first things to come under attack on the left and the right. Such attacks I believe are profoundly dangerous. On the other hand the unadulterated spread of dangerous misinformation in the hands of the mad is also a mortal threat and how to balance these two facts is challenging.

In the article Young is criticized for trying to silence Rogan and various points are made defending that position. I found the article to be essentially bull shit for reasons the article mentioned in the very first paragraph:

"The great uprising against comedian Joe Rogan led by a small posse of over-the-hill rockers has ended in surrender before it really got started. Rogan, whose Joe Rogan Experience podcast on Spotify attracts one of the largest audience in the medium (an estimated 11 million listeners), bowed to Neil Young and Joni Mitchell in a Sunday evening video communique in which he apologized for being Joe Rogan, promised a more conscientious and balanced approach to his future shows, and Spotify likewise promised higher Covid-19 standards. “I am going to do my best in the future to balance things out. I’m going to do my best,” he said. “I pissed you off, I’m sorry.” "

Rogan was not silenced but promised he would try to do better. End of story in my opinion. Young had an effect and it was not to silence Rogan but to cause him to question what is proper by way of balance in addressing the issue.

Of course, he may just be practicing jujitsu and has no intention of change.

Opinions?

 

[cytg111]

Opinions?

Yea, watch the new one with him and Peterson, just out.
They use the first 20 minute to throw around "the leftish" rhetoric about all kinds of shit without *one* "rightie" throughout the show. He also touches on "racism vs. white men".

He cant change, he already know its fucked up he just doesnt care.

I suspect that Rogan "cant" criticize the right cause he will lose his UFC gig.

I can understand why Niel doesnt want to share a platform with that shit.

 

[sandorski]

Falsehoods, intentional or not, should not go unchallenged. It also should allow a method for Society to protect itself. If a Person were suggesting Others to be killed and Randos would go kill them, I think silencing the Person is perfectly acceptable.

Trying to pin Young with some "Free Speech" infraction not only violates his Speech, but it attempts to remove Consequence from Speech that may harm Society. All Rights and no Responsibilities will lead to chaos

 

[Fenixgoon]

scientists have a much less favorable review of how rogan conducts his interviews.

Joe “just conversations” Rogan defends misinformation like a classic grifter

Money, misinformation, & snake oil: Joe Rogan has a lot in common with Gwyneth Paltrow.

arstechnica.com

it's not "just" a conversation when you have millions of listeners

edit: grammar

 

[Moonbeam]

I understand the outrage. I also believe that freedom of speech is always viewed from a personal perspective. We like speech we agree with and dislike that we don't. We also have a duty to protect from speech that leads to dangerous consequences like yelling fire in a packed movie house.

Whenever we weigh in on matters such as the one described above we also bring with us our past baggage, opinions, and conditioning. A lot of what I am hearing in the posts so far, at least in my opinion, is that people have already made judgements about Rogan. So have I. I hear a pot head, an intellect free associating with on feet on the ground, lacking feeling, self awareness, and empathy.

But I was particularly focused on the need of the author to condemn despite the fact that Rogan promised to try to be more aware of overall context, that he was out of balance. I personally felt that Young's protest was effective. Whether Rogan was or even can actually do better, I don't know, but I felt the issue had been successfully resolved for the moment. He got the positive he wanted without Rogan being silenced absolutely. Looked like a win win with the author's criticism on Young missing the mark. Hope this is clear. Not sure how to say it better.

 

[ivwshane]

Last I checked, free speech didn’t mean free from criticism.

So really what these idiots are saying is that they want free speech for their views but not for others.

 

[PowerEngineer]

It seems to me that the interpretation of "freedom of speech" is too frequently being pushed to the extreme that everyone should be expected to listen and "respect" the speaker's opinions. No thank you! I'll defend my right to not listen to your speech and the privilege of labeling you an idiot if I do decide to listen.

And if I think you are an idiot (or worse), I am certainly not going to feel bound by "freedom of speech" arguments to directly or indirectly promote the dissemination of your speech. I'll leave that to you! You can consider my lack of support as my "speech" against yours.

 

[Gardener]

Neil Young protests against Spotify, a for-profit company, for distributing Rogan's program. And as Rogan has no constitutional right to broadcast on Spotify, how is this an infringement on his speech?

Kudos to Neil for going after a corporation that is both profiting from and giving platform to a nut.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Ive been thinking about cancelling Spotify over this. Pandora looks about the same

 

[cytg111]

Yea me too. Problem for me is that I actually like much of his other content… Even much of the recent Peterson episode, if you filter out the bullshit there is some insights in there.

Has Rogan done ONE episode where he ever so fleeting is critiquing the shenanigans on the Trumpistic Right? 30 seconds? 10? 5 Seconds? I dont believe so… But the socialist cancel prepared aoc nutters, that is the whole of all dems… they’ll get a working.

I dont think Rogan pr say is a psychopath, just that he is a victim of right wing propaganda.

But at the end of the day, if your brains is smushed on the ground, if you blew it out yourself or someone else did you in… your brains is still smushed on the ground.

Ray Epps

Man accused by January 6 truthers of being FBI infiltrator denies claim in interview with House select committee

The Arizona man that some right-wing figures baselessly claim was part of secret FBI plot to orchestrate the January 6 insurrection told the House panel investigating the attack that he has no ties to the FBI or law enforcement, a committee aide told CNN.

amp.cnn.com

Is Rogan gonna put on someone with a different view and debunk his prior conspiracy shit? Of course not. And the way media silos work today half of Rogans audience will never know that Ray Epps was NOT a fed.

Rogan should be jettisoned deplatformed and thrown onto whatever social media shit Trump starts next.

 

[brycejones]

So tired of this shit. Your right to say what you want doesn't mean you have a right for your speech to go unchallenged or freedom from consequences by your fellow citizens or non-governmental entities. The party of the constitution needs to actually read the fucking thing.

 

[Jaskalas]

I can understand why Niel doesnt want to share a platform with that shit.

Or a country, for that matter.

When it was decided that the Left did not want the Right to share twitter with them, the Right moved to Parlor following mass incidents of silencing and censorship. The result? The Left attacked and shutdown Parlor. The lesson they learned is that, unless the Right stands up and uses force to assert themselves, they will forever be harassed. To even have a voice, they must assert full control. Thus far nothing has really come of it, but "free speech" remains is boiling pot waiting to explode.

The Spotify incident is just another example of turbulence under the surface. Of a people, Left and Right, vying to boycott and end one another's speech.

 

[dank69]

Very tired of people not understanding that freedom of speech protects you from the government and nobody else.

 

[dank69]

Or a country, for that matter.

When it was decided that the Left did not want the Right to share twitter with them, the Right moved to Parlor following mass incidents of silencing and censorship. The result? The Left attacked and shutdown Parlor. The lesson they learned is that, unless the Right stands up and uses force to assert themselves, they will forever be harassed. To even have a voice, they must assert full control. Thus far nothing has really come of it, but "free speech" remains is boiling pot waiting to explode.

The Spotify incident is just another example of turbulence under the surface. Of a people, Left and Right, vying to boycott and end one another's speech.

Yeah it's getting harder and harder to be an asshole, a loud blathering idiot, or a public health hazard.

 

[K1052]

Or a country, for that matter.

When it was decided that the Left did not want the Right to share twitter with them, the Right moved to Parlor following mass incidents of silencing and censorship. The result? The Left attacked and shutdown Parlor. The lesson they learned is that, unless the Right stands up and uses force to assert themselves, they will forever be harassed. To even have a voice, they must assert full control. Thus far nothing has really come of it, but "free speech" remains is boiling pot waiting to explode.

The Spotify incident is just another example of turbulence under the surface. Of a people, Left and Right, vying to boycott and end one another's speech.

Perpetuating the victimhood of the right is bad. Holding it up as justification for the things they've done is worse.

 

[Muse]

It seems to me that the interpretation of "freedom of speech" is too frequently being pushed to the extreme that everyone should be expected to listen and "respect" the speaker's opinions. No thank you! I'll defend my right to not listen to your speech and the privilege of labeling you an idiot if I do decide to listen.

And if I think you are an idiot (or worse), I am certainly not going to feel bound by "freedom of speech" arguments to directly or indirectly promote the dissemination of your speech. I'll leave that to you! You can consider my lack of support as my "speech" against yours.

I was on to Joe Rogan since around a year ago spending ~45 minutes watching an hour+ video of him interviewing someone during the pandemic. It dawned on me that he had no conscience whatsoever. He only cared about the gold falling into his pocket and that he's irredeemable. To me, he's in the same class of people as Ted Cruz and Ron Disantos and Donald Trump. Hopeless. Kudos to Young and Mitchell for pulling their catalogue from Spotify. I would never expect Rogan to materially improve his offerings. It's just lip service for Spotify. He's going to do the same old shit.

 

[sandorski]

Or a country, for that matter.

When it was decided that the Left did not want the Right to share twitter with them, the Right moved to Parlor following mass incidents of silencing and censorship. The result? The Left attacked and shutdown Parlor. The lesson they learned is that, unless the Right stands up and uses force to assert themselves, they will forever be harassed. To even have a voice, they must assert full control. Thus far nothing has really come of it, but "free speech" remains is boiling pot waiting to explode.

The Spotify incident is just another example of turbulence under the surface. Of a people, Left and Right, vying to boycott and end one another's speech.

The silenced "Right" were purposely misinforming people. Some of those misinformed Threatened and Harassed victims of heinous crimes. These were not the "Right", they were lying POS who deserved worse.

 

[cytg111]

Or a country, for that matter.

When it was decided that the Left did not want the Right to share twitter with them, the Right moved to Parlor following mass incidents of silencing and censorship. The result? The Left attacked and shutdown Parlor. The lesson they learned is that, unless the Right stands up and uses force to assert themselves, they will forever be harassed. To even have a voice, they must assert full control. Thus far nothing has really come of it, but "free speech" remains is boiling pot waiting to explode.

The Spotify incident is just another example of turbulence under the surface. Of a people, Left and Right, vying to boycott and end one another's speech.

This is true. To its core. The right learned that if they gonna lie they will be shutdown by the majority of truth seekers. The only way for the right to spew lies without consequences is to rip out truth and freedom (democracy) and assert them selves kings of everything. The , as Bill Barr said, the truth will be written by the victors.

Stop fucking lying and stop fucking over other people in the process empowering yourself.
Adam Kinzinger could start a conservative platform today and never get cancelled.
Nazi’s get cancelled.

 

[soundforbjt]

Never understood people being into Rogan...tried to watch him a couple of times and just didn’t get it.

 

[fskimospy]

This piece is extremely stupid and doesn’t even understand what free speech is.

Joe Rogan saying stupid shit on his podcast is free speech.

You know what else is free speech? Neil Young criticizing that stupid shit and deciding to no longer be associated with the company putting it out!

 

[K1052]

This piece is extremely stupid and doesn’t even understand what free speech is.

Joe Rogan saying stupid shit on his podcast is free speech.

You know what else is free speech? Neil Young criticizing that stupid shit and deciding to no longer be associated with the company putting it out!

Conservatives honestly propose that Neil Young shouldn't be allowed to do that and also call liberals communists in the same breath. Just maximum clownage.

 

[HomerJS]

The objection wasn't to Rogan the objection was to dangerous misinformation. Rogan was free to keep spreading misinformation, but he couldn't do it with Young on the same platform.

Rogan has pledged to better fact check himself. I think Young has made his point.

Let's see how he does in the future

Beam me up, Monnie!!!

 

[ch33zw1z]

Lol a real man of the right people

https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/sl9e5s

 

[emperus]

Think Rogan is done and a lot of people will feel embarrassed supporting him. New Tapes have surfaced not only of him using the the N word, but paraphrasing, saying he was in the "Planet of the Apes" when he was in a black neighborhood, and also saying that (again paraphrasing) " a biracial person had the best of both worlds, a black body and a mind of white person.. not that black people don't have brains just a different brain.."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1487839516924661763

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[ch33zw1z]

Think Rogan is done and a lot of people will feel embarrassed supporting him. New Tapes have surfaced not only of him using the the N word, but paraphrasing saying he was in the "Planet of the Apes" when he was in a black neighborhood, and also saying that a biracial person had the best of both worlds, a black body and a mind of white mind.. not that black people don't have brains just a different brain..

https://twitter.com/x/status/1487839516924661763

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But he's sorry 🤣