Sorry could not resist had 2 echo it
<< kimdani1 - whats your point? If you disagree with us trying to get the best possible deal, why are you here. >>
dam Max u typed 2 fast !
<< kimdani1 - whats your point? If you disagree with us trying to get the best possible deal, why are you here. >>
dam Max u typed 2 fast !
This is great news! I picked up an Antec case from them just a few days before they switched over to FirstSource (which is also when free shipping ended), and I was bummed to know that that was going to be my first and last great deal from Onvia. I'm so glad they're back 
kimdani1 -- I think you are missing what is happening... like you have it 180 degrees off We aren't killing these companies, we are in the middle of a huge war.
What has happened in retail is exactly what has happened in lots of non-technology fields. Look at automotive (robots paint), look at banking (ATM machines), I could go on and on. Retail is going through major technology influence, it was a "slow to change industry" -- but not any more.
HUGE profits used to be made by retailers who really didn't earn it. Sears, Wards, these were HUGE companies in the early part of 19xx century. They blew their cash on the tallest buildings of the time, they were rolling in it.
Retailing has always been a joke. Take a product, put it in a store, hand it over - collect tax, and make 30%, 50%, even more -- depending on the industry. (Jewelry and other fields are just a joke, the profits they make are so outrageous it is funny.)
But since retailers controlled the supply, what could you do?
It started in the early 80's with mail order computers, "ronco", late night TV selling records, and other things. Mainboards, hard drives, RAM, other fast changing price items... remember Computer Shopper in 1985 timeframe? It was HOT technology to have a magazine dedicated to mail order. This was a MAJOR evolution over standard retail... it saved 10%, 20%, or more over local retailers... and allowed smaller product lines to be available to the whole country.
Just-in-time inventory, other major technologies of the late 80's are at their peak right now. Let alone people like us who uses forums to compare prices, tools like pricewatch.com, etc.
I'm sure big .com's like Amazon took out more than their share of bookstores. Companies like Wal-mart who are heavily computerized drove tons of retail companies out... but they can just as easily have it happen to them.
These new retail models have benefits, but like anything "new and untested" they have flaws. Much of what we do here on these forums is take ADVANTAGE of those flaws. "Loss leader" prices and coupons, old world things intended to get you "in the store" -- are too easily used in the online world.
You are in the middle of a commerce revolution not seen since Sears first did their catalog and people could start to mail order! Historians consider that one of the most significant events in modern history! It allowed rural people access to technology that often made a HUGE difference in day to day life... water pumps for wells, medical supplies, etc.
Here we focus on good deals for stuff we like... computer products, gadgets, coffee, etc. But the impact we are making will be felt around the world... in much less sophisticated fields...
mrVW
We aren't killing these companies, we are in the middle of a huge war.What has happened in retail is exactly what has happened in lots of non-technology fields. Look at automotive (robots paint), look at banking (ATM machines), I could go on and on. Retail is going through major technology influence, it was a "slow to change industry" -- but not any more.
HUGE profits used to be made by retailers who really didn't earn it. Sears, Wards, these were HUGE companies in the early part of 19xx century. They blew their cash on the tallest buildings of the time, they were rolling in it.
Retailing has always been a joke. Take a product, put it in a store, hand it over - collect tax, and make 30%, 50%, even more -- depending on the industry. (Jewelry and other fields are just a joke, the profits they make are so outrageous it is funny.)
But since retailers controlled the supply, what could you do?
It started in the early 80's with mail order computers, "ronco", late night TV selling records, and other things. Mainboards, hard drives, RAM, other fast changing price items... remember Computer Shopper in 1985 timeframe? It was HOT technology to have a magazine dedicated to mail order. This was a MAJOR evolution over standard retail... it saved 10%, 20%, or more over local retailers... and allowed smaller product lines to be available to the whole country.
Just-in-time inventory, other major technologies of the late 80's are at their peak right now. Let alone people like us who uses forums to compare prices, tools like pricewatch.com, etc.
I'm sure big .com's like Amazon took out more than their share of bookstores. Companies like Wal-mart who are heavily computerized drove tons of retail companies out... but they can just as easily have it happen to them.
These new retail models have benefits, but like anything "new and untested" they have flaws. Much of what we do here on these forums is take ADVANTAGE of those flaws. "Loss leader" prices and coupons, old world things intended to get you "in the store" -- are too easily used in the online world.
You are in the middle of a commerce revolution not seen since Sears first did their catalog and people could start to mail order! Historians consider that one of the most significant events in modern history! It allowed rural people access to technology that often made a HUGE difference in day to day life... water pumps for wells, medical supplies, etc.
Here we focus on good deals for stuff we like... computer products, gadgets, coffee, etc. But the impact we are making will be felt around the world... in much less sophisticated fields...
mrVW
Anyone ever noticed that the HTML on AnandTech is way out of line? I did a view source to save a copy of my message... and the damn page had code BEFORE the begin HTML tag. You aren't supposed to put ANYTHING before the begin HTML tag
Those who understand me, do a view source on the page you are reading.
Those who understand me, do a view source on the page you are reading.
MrVW nails it. You know who is rolling in the dough with E-Commerce...Ingram Micro. They don't even have to bend now. They just add drop shipping to their already decent business model and they can service thousands of DOT coms all over the states.
The Internet stores need to better manage their expenses. They have sales, they don't have cost efficient ways of promoting their store. Why the hell did buy.com purchase the Nike Tour? Executives wanted it. That was idiotic. Why they hell did buy.com open a Travel store, a music store?
We can go on forever about the mistakes that many dotcoms have made, but it comes down to service and leadership. Most dot.coms lack both.
The Internet stores need to better manage their expenses. They have sales, they don't have cost efficient ways of promoting their store. Why the hell did buy.com purchase the Nike Tour? Executives wanted it. That was idiotic. Why they hell did buy.com open a Travel store, a music store?
We can go on forever about the mistakes that many dotcoms have made, but it comes down to service and leadership. Most dot.coms lack both.
I love it when threads go off topic like this. Mr. Vw and Hgabriel, you guys are right on the money. This tech shake up is just Darwin's law in action. Survival of the fittest, baby.
People from SEATTLE area, Listen UP !
I bought several cd-rw from onvia and they don't charge tax anymore ? Wow ! this is good life
eRr
I bought several cd-rw from onvia and they don't charge tax anymore ? Wow ! this is good life
eRr
In the long run, who do you think is going to start losing out? Once things turn unprofitable, all the dot coms close shop and run. What do you think that does for us? The less competition there is, the higher prices are going to be. Sure I agree that a lot of companies had stupid business models, but for every dot com that goes out of business, those that are still in business won't have to fight as hard to keep our business since there will be far fewer to compete.
Perhaps if people didn't always think of "ME ME ME" this world would indeed be a nicer place. C'mon, where is the heart in all of this? From the sounds of it, all of you would be happy if all the little mom and pop corner stores would shrivel up and die out leaving only low price leaders like Walmart on every corner. I wonder how many of you would still feel this way if your family was the small business trying to compete in "today's wintery economic climate?" (heh, from High Fidelity)
Before you go spouting off about how my parents must own a grocery store, no they don't. In fact, everyone in my family would fall under the category of white collar workers.
I like finding good deals just about as much as the next person, but I feel bad for all the people who get laid off and stuff after we shut them down.
As for a Darwinian model, if only that were true. All the stupid people in the world would get killed off leaving only the elite. Along the same lines, in a small population, if you weed out all the weak, you end up with a few strong. What does that lead to? It leads to inbreeding and a weaker population by far than one started with. Hey, if you're all so hell bent on destroying your own "playground", go ahead. Just don't come back to the forum and complain that one of your favorite companies just went out of business because they couldn't sustain the loss.
Last point, everyone is quick to defend even their bad habits as long as its theirs. Case in point, alcoholics will claim that they don't have a drinking problem or that it's genetic. Obese people will complain that they have a slow metabolism or that it's genetic. The list goes on... When you're sucking the lifeblood out of yet another company, go ahead and make excuses, but remember that what goes round comes round...
Perhaps if people didn't always think of "ME ME ME" this world would indeed be a nicer place. C'mon, where is the heart in all of this? From the sounds of it, all of you would be happy if all the little mom and pop corner stores would shrivel up and die out leaving only low price leaders like Walmart on every corner. I wonder how many of you would still feel this way if your family was the small business trying to compete in "today's wintery economic climate?" (heh, from High Fidelity)
Before you go spouting off about how my parents must own a grocery store, no they don't. In fact, everyone in my family would fall under the category of white collar workers.
I like finding good deals just about as much as the next person, but I feel bad for all the people who get laid off and stuff after we shut them down.
As for a Darwinian model, if only that were true. All the stupid people in the world would get killed off leaving only the elite. Along the same lines, in a small population, if you weed out all the weak, you end up with a few strong. What does that lead to? It leads to inbreeding and a weaker population by far than one started with. Hey, if you're all so hell bent on destroying your own "playground", go ahead. Just don't come back to the forum and complain that one of your favorite companies just went out of business because they couldn't sustain the loss.
Last point, everyone is quick to defend even their bad habits as long as its theirs. Case in point, alcoholics will claim that they don't have a drinking problem or that it's genetic. Obese people will complain that they have a slow metabolism or that it's genetic. The list goes on... When you're sucking the lifeblood out of yet another company, go ahead and make excuses, but remember that what goes round comes round...
err - cool, thanks for the Seattle tax note. They must RELALY have closed down This was their HQ.
This was their HQ.kimdani1, you said: ----: From the sounds of it, all of you would be happy if all the little mom and pop corner stores would shrivel up and die out leaving only low price leaders like Walmart on every corner. :---
I still think you are 180 degrees from those of us who differ from you. Yes, there are people on this board who go too far, but I haven't seen anything in this thread... These (like onVia) are HUGE companies, who only existed because of the CRAZY WEALTH created by the stock market.
A mom and pop shop starts with the money in mom and pop's pocket, from friends and family, you have to have a good business model or the money dries up and you fail in just a year or two. But big companies, at least for the last 5 years -- can "invent money".
From 1996.5 to 2000.5, all you had to do is say "I want to sell xxx on the Internet" and you were handed $500million from the stock market and you blew it however any new kid with $500million would blow it. Then it became a contest on who could _burn money_ the fastest. Pets.com, OnVia.com, and even Amazon.com all started burning money as fast as they could promising that in "10 years they would own the market". What a joke, all they did was burn a lot of fat off Wall Street. Even "established" companies like 3com and Staples got caught up in the spending craze (hence my refrence to sport investments).
I worked for the 2nd richest person in the USA from 1997 to 1999.5 - my office was 60 feet from his. The people in the offices between him and me were all stock analyst and traders. They didn't day trade, they did research all day for "big deals". Including at least one of the retail-focused .com's that failed in the last 3 months. I saw money coming and going like you wouldn't believe. All the companies you see failing now that used to have _hot deals_ were not mom-'n-pop they were all heavily financed by stocks. They spent all their cash right away, started out too large (with no customers) and had to use coupons and low prices to give their employees and computers something to do.
The stock market finally got over the drink'ng bing. The cash ran out, they close up. The only "real" source of income was investors, not their customers. Everyone was trying SO HARD to gain a stake in the Internet, that how to "hold that stake" was never considered
P.S. (I ran computer stuff, wasn't involved in the $)
P.S.S. Yes, this is off topic, but the thread title implies that... so we shouldn't be harming anyone who isn't interested.
I still think you are 180 degrees from those of us who differ from you. Yes, there are people on this board who go too far, but I haven't seen anything in this thread... These (like onVia) are HUGE companies, who only existed because of the CRAZY WEALTH created by the stock market.
A mom and pop shop starts with the money in mom and pop's pocket, from friends and family, you have to have a good business model or the money dries up and you fail in just a year or two. But big companies, at least for the last 5 years -- can "invent money".
From 1996.5 to 2000.5, all you had to do is say "I want to sell xxx on the Internet" and you were handed $500million from the stock market and you blew it however any new kid with $500million would blow it. Then it became a contest on who could _burn money_ the fastest. Pets.com, OnVia.com, and even Amazon.com all started burning money as fast as they could promising that in "10 years they would own the market". What a joke, all they did was burn a lot of fat off Wall Street. Even "established" companies like 3com and Staples got caught up in the spending craze (hence my refrence to sport investments).
I worked for the 2nd richest person in the USA from 1997 to 1999.5 - my office was 60 feet from his. The people in the offices between him and me were all stock analyst and traders. They didn't day trade, they did research all day for "big deals". Including at least one of the retail-focused .com's that failed in the last 3 months. I saw money coming and going like you wouldn't believe. All the companies you see failing now that used to have _hot deals_ were not mom-'n-pop they were all heavily financed by stocks. They spent all their cash right away, started out too large (with no customers) and had to use coupons and low prices to give their employees and computers something to do.
The stock market finally got over the drink'ng bing. The cash ran out, they close up. The only "real" source of income was investors, not their customers. Everyone was trying SO HARD to gain a stake in the Internet, that how to "hold that stake" was never considered
P.S. (I ran computer stuff, wasn't involved in the $)
P.S.S. Yes, this is off topic, but the thread title implies that... so we shouldn't be harming anyone who isn't interested.
um, if there's still tax in ca, onvia is still dead to me.
and when they changed suppliers, they're prices went up across the board.
where's the coupons? that's what onvia was famous for. hehe, that and free shipping.
and when they changed suppliers, they're prices went up across the board.
where's the coupons? that's what onvia was famous for. hehe, that and free shipping.
Well I just got myself a Antec SX1030B computer case with my American Express Blue. Went to pricewatch and found it being sold for ~$85. Already did the best value guarantee.
On the same note, Onvia has the Antec SX1240 computer case in stock. Whoa, is that case nice looking!!!
On the same note, Onvia has the Antec SX1240 computer case in stock. Whoa, is that case nice looking!!!
Do the same rules apply to Onvia as they do to Crucial? Meaning, where you input your company name, does it really matter if you work for a darn convience store or a computer company? Or even just putting in a false company name. Just wondering, since my place of employment isn't a computer place, by any means.
TRENDING THREADS
-
Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)- Started by DisEnchantment
- Replies: 25K
-
Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads
- Started by Tigerick
- Replies: 21K
-
Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread- Started by TheF34RChannel
- Replies: 23K
-
-
Facebook
Twitter