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Here's more for you to hide from:
Norman Mineta's damning testimony intentionally omitted from the 9/11 Commission Report because it destroys the government's official timeline
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Bah, no use sitting here debating over it until you can put someone in office that isn't lying everytime their mouth moves. If you look at the sheer amount of documentation relating to 9/11 that has been sealed in the last 3+ years, well, it takes a real Bush supporter to not believe they're not trying to hide something. I'm not saying they staged and executed the attacks, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were complicit involving it. Bush needed a reason from Day One to delve into the Social Security lockbox, and the events that rolled out as a result of 9/11 gave him all the ammunition he needed to cripple this country financially. You can believe, or you can not believe, if you can look at all the important policy that has been deconstructed since the Bush administration took office in 2001 and not believe we're living in extremely dark times, you've got blinders the size of air balloons. Good luck with that.
Ok...you changed my outlook on life, thanks for waking me up and unplugging me from the matrix.
Seriously, in 2 short years, you'll have your own chance to make a real difference. Better start campaigning now!
ALSO...I think it's funny that anyone who disagrees is labeled a sheep. You could easily be labeled a sheep to the propaganda machine. Kind of hypocritical if you ask me. Also realize, you have access to the same articles, reports, and videos that the rest of us do. But YOU decided to make your own decisions, because this is a free country and that's what Democracy is all about. What you fail to realize is that the rest of us have the same decision making capacity and maybe...just maybe, we decided not to buy into a conspiracy theory. I'm done, back to work...I figure this may get one more page before a lock, anyways.
Seriously, in 2 short years, you'll have your own chance to make a real difference. Better start campaigning now!
ALSO...I think it's funny that anyone who disagrees is labeled a sheep. You could easily be labeled a sheep to the propaganda machine. Kind of hypocritical if you ask me. Also realize, you have access to the same articles, reports, and videos that the rest of us do. But YOU decided to make your own decisions, because this is a free country and that's what Democracy is all about. What you fail to realize is that the rest of us have the same decision making capacity and maybe...just maybe, we decided not to buy into a conspiracy theory. I'm done, back to work...I figure this may get one more page before a lock, anyways.
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"Republicans are men of narrow vision, who are afraid of the future." - Jimmy Carter
Yeah, I know, Carter is the arch nemesis of the United States. If we can be honest with ourselves, Carter was probably the last man to sit in the White House that actually cared about what happened to all Americans, not just the rich and powerful. Before him...Nixon.
Yeah, I know, Carter is the arch nemesis of the United States. If we can be honest with ourselves, Carter was probably the last man to sit in the White House that actually cared about what happened to all Americans, not just the rich and powerful. Before him...Nixon.
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I make these same assertions in every 9/11 thread on here, it's just that no one wants to even grasp the concept of a conspiracy so they don't even take it seriously.
well put wallsfd949
Unfortunately, that will not stop the morons from arguing politics here in the hot deals forum
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eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable even when the world isn't collapsing. and not all that stuff is even eyewitness, it is merely reports of reports and assumptions. if you see an elevator fall down the shaft and a giant burst of flame come out, your first reaction is 'bomb, get the fsck out,' not 'burning jet fuel falling down the elevator shaft.' did anyone actually see a bomb? no. merely explosions.
A free documentary is a hot deal. A free feature film would be, so I don't see why this doesn't qualify. I'm not saying that this is the place for discussing government and politics, but a free dvd is a free dvd.
And perhaps this is not the place for this conversation, but since when does that make someone a moron? If you are not interested in this deal and do not even see it as a deal, why are you posting in this thread?
Actually, they all provided corroborating accounts of the same thing
Fire fighters / news reporters / parademics / news footage all reported pre collapse explosions that caused earthquake type rumbles. NYPD and NYFD did find suspcious devices. None of these have made it into any official government report. Fact.
Members who come here looking for nothing more than "Hot Deals" are grateful to receive the wisdom of some of the most brilliant social and political thinkers of our time - bravo. We'll be listening and learning right up to the moment they drag your straitjackets into the black helicopters.
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Originally posted by: noto12ious
Actually, they all provided corroborating accounts of the same thing
Fire fighters / news reporters / parademics / news footage all reported pre collapse explosions that caused earthquake type rumbles. NYPD and NYFD did find suspcious devices. None of these have made it into any official government report. Fact.
they found suspicious devices, but the police found suspicious devices in that town in ohio yesterday and it turns out they were cardboard boxes with wrapping paper. on a day like that any package, bag, etc, whose ownership isn't immediately apparent would have been a suspicious device.
all that you've linked to is rumor, early speculation, and early reports that probably watched the other channels, to report the same rumor, not independent corroboration.
but when an actual seismograph (local to the area) is consulted, there is no 'earthquake type rumble' prior to the collapse. not a single one.
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Do your think they would leave the bombs next to the damn watercooler or something on the days leading up to 9/11, or fastened securely to a support beam out of sight where access is restricted? You would think these people (NYPD and FDNY) are pretty good at what they do and have seen/heard things through experience like floors collapsing, explosions going off, etc.. I think it's safe to say their "assumptions" of explosions right before the building fell are credible at worst, people who were meters away from ground zero have a better idea then you or me, why shouldn't we listen to them? It's not like they were in a panic, the towers were burning for a while and no explosions until... da-da! right before it collapsed. You're telling me elevators falling down a shaft wouldn't make a squealing noise as the breaks try to brace it's velocity? Elevators meant to transport large amounts of people with a heavy weight capacity would absolutely do that, at least one would.
Bottom line is things on that day just didn't add up when the smoke cleared:
- stories were ommitted from the 9/11 Commission
- warnings from the former national security advisor were ignored numorous times with documented proof
- not rushing Bush away from a friggin' elementry school book reading when it happened and him having that stupid ass expersion on his face the whole time (yeah, he didn't know this was gonna happen, couldn't you see him jump out of his seat and.. oh thats right, he just sat there and waited, they didn't rush him to Air Force One to run the country in a crisis (FEMA FTL))
- high ranking officials were told not to fly on 9/11 the night before it happened[/b]
- the plane that crashed in PA and miraculously didn't vaporize yet had NO bodies in the cabin
- NORAD standing down
- something crashing into the Pentagon where a truck with blue tarp was on the scene in minutes
- documents made unclassified recently that prove the US made plans in the past to bomb and sink their own ships in the Gulf leading up to the days of a Cuban invasion (JFK quickly put a stop to the idea of that teasonous act and vetoed the document, then the REAL government decided to veto him in the side of the head)
- videos confiscated within minutes too and only one 5-frame video angle released as of today
So go ahead and laugh at/mock us (members in general, not you), we are growing stronger each day and South American countries are already coordinating an independant investigation for 9/11 that will force BushCo to swear on a bible and lie about that day. I'm not trying to ridicule you for believing what you do much like an Atheist would ridicule a Catholic, I'm trying to prepare you for a massive truth movement that will one day take place by giving you reasons why ordinary people like me are on board with this (a year ago I had your type of mentality, I didn't want to believe the facts and testimonies). So if you love this country and the freedoms that come with living here then you should give these videos a look.
Oh for heaven's sake ... you tinfoil-beanie Koolaid drinkers need to take just one minute and consider the logic of all this ...
IF (and that's a very big "if") any of this crazy conspiracy theory crap is even remotely close to being true, WHY are we not hearing about it in the media? The Mainstream Media (MSM) HATES George Bush and this administration with a pink purple passion, so much so that they grasp at the flimsiest of straws trying to dig up dirt on him ... Dan Rather and the ANG memo, anyone? If so much as one reliable source for any of this could be found, it would have been, and we would have read it in 3 inch headlines in the New York Times, the Washington Post and the LA Times. It would most definitely have come out during the elections. But it didn't ... because it didn't happen.
IF (and that's a very big "if") any of this crazy conspiracy theory crap is even remotely close to being true, WHY are we not hearing about it in the media? The Mainstream Media (MSM) HATES George Bush and this administration with a pink purple passion, so much so that they grasp at the flimsiest of straws trying to dig up dirt on him ... Dan Rather and the ANG memo, anyone? If so much as one reliable source for any of this could be found, it would have been, and we would have read it in 3 inch headlines in the New York Times, the Washington Post and the LA Times. It would most definitely have come out during the elections. But it didn't ... because it didn't happen.
Please understand, I'm not saying that everyone has some interesting points here.. but they are POLITICAL points which belong in P&N.
For the sanity of the Hot Deals forum, please let this thread die.
Thanks!
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And another Troll from OffTopic/P&N continues to post....
So I gotta ask this question.. when you post, do you ask yourself "Does this remotely relate to the (so called) hot deal in question or is this just another politcal troll post?.?>?!
For the sanity of the Hot Deals forum, please let this thread die.
Thanks!
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And another Troll from OffTopic/P&N continues to post....
So I gotta ask this question.. when you post, do you ask yourself "Does this remotely relate to the (so called) hot deal in question or is this just another politcal troll post?.?>?!
Thank you. Also, for those crying about explosions prior to the collapse should really do a little research and read some structural engineering material. Do you not think that a 110 story tower that crumbles within itself would make some noise and have this breaking internally? Whatever, kids, just don't forget to keep an eye out for the next comet passing.
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We ARE (and that's a big "are"), the problem is it's coming out in small, easy to digest pieces for people who already made up their minds. Dan Rather just reports what he's told to, he didn't investigate crap and of course there was an agenda behind his report.
So there's your mainstream media taking it to Bush.. bullshit. You're wrong about the media wanting to destory Bush, Bush's superiors OWN the mainstream media and control what gets shown and what doesn't. Maybe that's why interviews keep getting cut short, edited out, or cancelled all together. 9/11 basically got Bush re-elected and let him pick at our freedoms. Stop speaking your mind and start addressing the issues being brought fourth by us if you really want to debunk a conspiracy. We are bringing the meat and you just have a salad. (that was probably lame, oh well)
Lame? OMG ... that was a RIOT! You haven't just been drinking the Koolaid, you've been bathing in it 24/7! SO obvious that you don't even know the fake-but-accurate facts in the ANG memo scandal. And if you think for even a second that the media isn't biased HEAVILY to the left and against Bush and the Republican party, you have been hiding out in a cave somewhere.
HO-LEE crap! How do you manage to walk down the street and not get hit by a bus???
Plain logic and common sense ... use some and you will see how utterly ridiculous, on many, many levels, this conspiracy theory garbage is. YES I HAVE SEEN THOSE VIDEOS ... I laughed because they are SO stupid! So transparent! A 5 year old could point out the flaws in the theories!
Good grief ... talk about stuck on stupid!
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What happened to the rest of my post?
See, I knew a brainwashed, close-minded person like you would only quote that last bit of it.And talk about drinking the Kool-Aid, you're swiming in the river of Denial and trying to swallow the whole damn thing.
It's only a matter of time hon, I just hope these threads become archieved so I can look back and laugh at your staunch disposition fueled by feelings and opinions, as opposed to research and interviews. Sleep well.
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I'm sorry if these posts make you so mad, honestly, I do this because I LOVE the USA and I'm sure others share my patriotism just not my beliefs. I have no nationality other then knowing my distant relatives were Irish and German. I'm your typical American lifer, and I feel there is something wrong with these attacks so I'm doing what I feel is right to make people aware. Sometimes I have a tendancy to fly off the handle with how some people approach the theory though, so if you feel I insulted your intelligence I'm sorry. And if you feel my thoughts on this are too obscure to comprehend then I'm doubly-sorry for not explaining myself better.
Bless you all.
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Lifer
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look, assholes.... face the facts. there was NO PLANE that hit the pentagon... our government is lying to us about the pentagon. that's the fact of the matter.
now, if they aren't telling us the truth about that, what else are they lying about? when it comes to this, lies run deep. that means that it's VERY likely that the shyt that happened at the wtc buildings was a government-planned event made to deceive us. it VERY well could have been smoke-and-mirrors stuff.
that said, we can't be for certain WHAT happened... but one thing is for sure, it's incumbent on all of us to find out the truth and get our thumbs out of our asses. stop listening to everything the government tells you and look at the facts yourself... THEN come to your own conclusions...
jeez... i'm so sick of these idiot "patriotic" douchebags constantly waving their flags high and mighty crying that a bunch of smelly brown people hijacked were at fault on 9/11 without the slightest thought that they might be wrong.
look, assholes.... face the facts. there was NO PLANE that hit the pentagon... our government is lying to us about the pentagon. that's the fact of the matter.
now, if they aren't telling us the truth about that, what else are they lying about? when it comes to this, lies run deep. that means that it's VERY likely that the shyt that happened at the wtc buildings was a government-planned event made to deceive us. it VERY well could have been smoke-and-mirrors stuff.
that said, we can't be for certain WHAT happened... but one thing is for sure, it's incumbent on all of us to find out the truth and get our thumbs out of our asses. stop listening to everything the government tells you and look at the facts yourself... THEN come to your own conclusions...
jeez... i'm so sick of these idiot "patriotic" douchebags constantly waving their flags high and mighty crying that a bunch of smelly brown people hijacked were at fault on 9/11 without the slightest thought that they might be wrong.
Wow ... I never saw someone that mainlines the Koolaid. Fascinating.
What color is the sky in your world?
What color is the sky in your world?
No need to be nasty. I trimmed the quoted part to cut to the chase. I guess there really isn't any sense in continuing any attempt to debate, since you have chosen to take the low road and start calling names.
But before I wander off, chuckling at the foolishness displayed here ...
Mad? LOL! I am laughing my ass off ... alternating with sadness that people actually believe this crap in the face of TONS of evidence otherwise. And yes, I have looked at and read both sides, actually four or five sides.
If you only knew how foolish this looks ... and believe me, I am NO Bush fan, Republican, conservative or anything of the like. Just a radical centrist that is able to discern fact from fairy tales.
My god ... this is sad beyond words ...
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