Free birth control cuts abortion rate dramatically, study finds

[sandorski]

birth control IS pre-abortion.

Life begins at Erection.

 

[Todd33]

So liberals want to force religious values on everyone 😕

Or you know we could just expect people to responsible for themselves, like adults.

And those that cannot be responsible will be forced to be responsible.

There are no such thing as "religious" values, period. A real value is not bringing unwanted children into the world, so accept reality and use science to solve the problem. Treating people like adults and letting them be responsible is allowing them to use birth control, not dictating to them that it is against "God's" will. What bullshit.

The sheer stupidity of your argument totally escapes you, sad.

 

[nehalem256]

There are no such thing as "religious" values, period.

it is the Christian thing to do.

You brought religion into this not me.

A real value is not bringing unwanted children into the world, so accept reality and use science to solve the problem.

And under my proposal there would be no children born to people who could not care for them and even more reduced government spending.

Treating people like adults and letting them be responsible is allowing them to use birth control

Where is birth control illegal exactly? 😕

Nor do I think it should be illegal.

 

[monovillage]

Shouldn't science inform discussions about political issues? We need to make sure the science is factual, but that's always the case with scientific findings...and there are mechanisms in place to do that already.

To re-borrow a phrase Romney borrowed (and mangled) during the debate, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. If there are two positions on an issue and it's discovered that one of the positions has some new factual support, scientists should absolutely say so. Science should not be required to take a back seat to politics.

It's a bad idea to not hold science to the standards that it usually holds itself to.

Science by press conference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_by_press_conference

Responsibility

While the phrase tends to criticize scientists involved in creating the publicity, it has also been used to assert that the media bear responsibility in many instances.[3] Even well-intentioned scientists can sometimes unintentionally create truth-distorting media firestorms because of journalists' difficulty in remaining critical and balanced, the media's interest in controversy, and the general tendency of science reporting to focus on apparent "groundbreaking findings" rather than on the larger context of a research field. Further, when results are released with great fanfare and limited peer review, basic journalism skills require skepticism and further investigation; the fact that they often do not can be seen as a problem with the media as much as with scientists who seek to exploit their power.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_journalism

Accuracy

News coverage is often criticized for being misleading, inaccurate, or speculative, and this has been traced to several problems that include lack of knowledge by reporters, lack of time to prepare a proper report, and lack of space in the publication.[1] Most news articles fail to discuss important issues such as evidence quality, costs, and risks versus benefits.[2] However, medical journalism is not only what is being commercialized and covered by news and mass media. There is also another extensive, more academic branch of medical journalism which is based on evidence. Evidence-based research is more accurate and thus it is a much more reliable source than medical news disseminated by tabloids. Medical journalism in this regard is a professional field and is often disregarded. There are also some medical journalism institutions that provide assistance to medical researchers to enable them to perform more reliable studies. Adib Vira Medical Journalism Open Institute provides services for both medical researchers and journals in order to enhance the quality of studies and journals, as well as assist researchers in performing their studies ethically and according to global medical journalism standards. Although medical news articles often deliver public health messages effectively, they often convey wrong or misleading information about health care, partly when reporters do not know or cannot convey the results of clinical studies, and partly when they fail to supply reasonable context.[3] A 2009 study found small improvements in some areas of medical reporting in Australia, but the overall quality remained poor, particularly in commercial human-interest television programs.[4]
Conflict of interest

Medical journalists also face challenges due to potential conflicts of interest. The pharmaceutical industry has sponsored journalism contests that carry large prizes in cash or in overseas trips. The Association of Health Care Journalists (AHCJ) urges journalists to consider these contests carefully before entering, and most journalists avoid them. The Center for Excellence in Health Care Journalism, the supporting 501(c)(3) for AHCJ, does not accept industry funding. The National Association of Science Writers does not accept such funding. The changing nature of news media has caused more reporters to work freelance, outside of traditional news organizations such as major metropolitan newspapers, which may have created more ways to sidestep conflict-of-interest standards, and the rise of blogs has allowed nontraditional providers of news that lack these standards entirely.[5]
Reviews

Sources for evaluating health-care media coverage include the review websites Behind the Headlines, Health News Review, and Media Doctor (see External links), along with specialized academic journals such as the Journal of Health Communication. Reviews can also appear in the American Journal of Public Health, the Columbia Journalism Review, Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" column in The Guardian, and others. Health News Review has published criteria for rating news stories.[6]

 

[HomerJS]

That is a contradiction. Birth control can't lower the rates of abortion when birth control IS abortion.



95% of all they do is abortions. 🙄

Funny last time I checked a woman is not considered pregnant until after a fertilized egg attaches itself to the uterine wall.

 

[SheHateMe]

birth control IS pre-abortion.

:whiste:

 

[Todd33]

You brought religion into this not me.

I was being sarcastic dumbass.

And under my proposal there would be no children born to people who could not care for them and even more reduced government spending.

What proposal? You and the rest of the looney right want to make abortiona illegal and contraception hard to get. The end results is like the south where it has the highest number of pregnancies by teenage girls and the most religious population. It is pure ignorance,

Where is birth control illegal exactly? 😕

No, but do you think it is ok not to send condoms to AIDS ravaged Africa because the Pope says so?

 

[Zorba]

But really support for free BC has nothing to do with saving the tax payer money. It has everything to do with getting the government to bankroll women's choices. Why should I care about reducing the abortion rate?

This shows the sad state of sex-ed in this country. You do know that for a women to get pregnant a man has to be involved? You know that man has to also make the decision to have sex, just like the woman. I have never understood how people characterize BC as 100% for women, I know I don't want an unplanned child, so the BS is just as much for me.

 

[Yreka]

Life begins at Erection.

If that's true, I have a bin full of tissues that could get the death penalty 🙂

 

[sandorski]

If that's true, I have a bin full of tissues that could get the death penalty 🙂

Send them to the Vatican. They will put into storage until the time that Science can save all those Lives.

 

[SheHateMe]

If that's true, I have a bin full of tissues that could get the death penalty 🙂

You murdered all those poor, defenseless children.

 

[nehalem256]

This shows the sad state of sex-ed in this country. You do know that for a women to get pregnant a man has to be involved? You know that man has to also make the decision to have sex, just like the woman. I have never understood how people characterize BC as 100% for women, I know I don't want an unplanned child, so the BS is just as much for me.

Maybe because the types of BC which are being provided free are only for women?

And as has been made abundantly clear on this forum a man should never trust a woman to take BC anyway. And he deserves no sympathy if the woman lies to him about taking it and should man up and take responsibility for her choice.

 

[zinfamous]

How about a system where people have free access to birth control \but don't us it so they can have a lot of little checks?

these people exist between the range of "phantom boogeyman" to 0.02% of welfare recipients.

One has to assume that all of those on welfare aren't human, that they don't have the same desires that all people have, that they don't want to take care of themselves, to believe such preposterous nonsense.

You offer people a choice, the difficulties of having another kid, and expense of such, is far outweighed by the benefits of not having one in such circumstances.

 

[zinfamous]

Maybe because the types of BC which are being provided free are only for women?

And as has been made abundantly clear on this forum a man should never trust a woman to take BC anyway. And he deserves no sympathy if the woman lies to him about taking it and should man up and take responsibility for her choice.

the only thing that has been made abundantly clear, on these forums regarding this issue, is that you are an unapologetic misogynist.

You think condoms aren't being provided for Free? LOL--WHAT A FUCKING LIAR! (I know you mouth-breathers love that one)

pray-tell, what other male contraceptives exist, that can easily be provided for free?

pray-tell, where is the data that shows a woman is somehow less trustworthy to use BC than is a man?

Seriously--your utterly baseless claims have never been backed with any type of data that you have never been willing to provide. So, it's about time you put up, or shut up.

 

[nehalem256]

the only thing that has been made abundantly clear, on these forums regarding this issue, is that you are an unapologetic misogynist.

Treating women like adults instead of retarded children will not by misogyny no matter how many times you say it.

You think condoms aren't being provided for Free? LOL--WHAT A FUCKING LIAR! (I know you mouth-breathers love that one)

There is no government mandate the condoms be provided for free by health insurance.

pray-tell, where is the data that shows a woman is somehow less trustworthy to use BC than is a man?

Seriously--your utterly baseless claims have never been backed with any type of data that you have never been willing to provide. So, it's about time you put up, or shut up.

I never said they were. The difference is that woman can easily verify if a man is using a condom. Whereas a man cannot verify if a woman is using the pill, etc.

The second difference is a woman cannot be forced to be a parent even if the man lies about using an "invisible condom".

 

[Munky]

Next up, giving people free money stops robberies... News at 11.

 

[Zorba]

Maybe because the types of BC which are being provided free are only for women?

And as has been made abundantly clear on this forum a man should never trust a woman to take BC anyway. And he deserves no sympathy if the woman lies to him about taking it and should man up and take responsibility for her choice.

Again how is BC by pill just for the women and BC by condom just for the man? The whole point of both control is so that neither person has a kid. Just because the women takes drug doesn't mean it is 100% for her and her alone.

I am sure you are the kind of guy, though, that thinks if you knock a chick up it is all her fault and you should have no responsibility.

 

[Munky]

That is a strange way to look at it. How about we rephrase it? Liberals care about the repercussions of a natural and inevitable fact of human nature, sex. So prepare for it with birth controls to minimize unwanted births. Those that happen produce children, which have to to fed, it is the Christian thing to do.

Was that so hard?

Why is it that liberals throw men who can't afford their kids in jail, but the women who can't afford their kids are offered money taxed from others? Are men not humans, according to liberals? Or is it that only men are expected to be responsible for their actions? How does that fit into the whole equality dogma?

 

[jackstar7]

Why is it that liberals throw men who can't afford their kids in jail, but the women who can't afford their kids are offered money taxed from others? Are men not humans, according to liberals? Or is it that only men are expected to be responsible for their actions? How does that fit into the whole equality dogma?

It is weird how people sentimentalize mothers...

🙄

 

[Munky]

It is weird how people sentimentalize mothers...

🙄

It's funny how people revert to emotional shaming when they get called out on their hypocrisy and can't come up with a logical argument.

 

[Kadarin]

When the pro-lifers start crying about abortions, I ask them how they feel about a system flooded with children who are welfare recipients and live in households that use them to get more money from the government.

These people don't care about these babies after they are born.

These people don't care about babies at all. For them it's really all about enforcing a perceived sexual morality; those who say they are against abortion because they are "pro-life" but support exceptions for rape and incest are walking hypocrites.

 

[jackstar7]

It's funny how people revert to emotional shaming when they get called out on their hypocrisy and can't come up with a logical argument.

By all means, keep running face-first into that brick wall.

I'm not denying what you're saying, by the way, just letting you know it's pointless. You might seek out a better use for your time and energy than looking for ways to win this argument without demonizing mothers.

 

[Munky]

By all means, keep running face-first into that brick wall.

I'm not denying what you're saying, by the way, just letting you know it's pointless. You might seek out a better use for your time and energy than looking for ways to win this argument without demonizing mothers.

Riiight, because using BC and/or abortions makes someone a mother. The liberal double-speak never ceases to amuse me.

 

[Zorba]

Why is it that liberals throw men who can't afford their kids in jail, but the women who can't afford their kids are offered money taxed from others? Are men not humans, according to liberals? Or is it that only men are expected to be responsible for their actions? How does that fit into the whole equality dogma?

Men aren't thrown in jail when they can't pay child support, they get in trouble when they won't, there is a big difference between the two. Women also can pay child support to the man, if the man has custody.

 

[Munky]

Men aren't thrown in jail when they can't pay child support, they get in trouble when they won't, there is a big difference between the two. Women also can pay child support to the man, if the man has custody.

The child support payments are made without consideration of the man's ability to pay. If he loses his job and can't make the payments, he goes to jail. And it's no secret that women get primary custody in the overwhelming majority of cases.