Freddie Gray dies a week after being injured during arrest

[CitizenKain]

It seems like this point is being lost in the endless culture war.

A man was arrested who should not have been arrested, then while in police custody was injured so severely that he died. For people who claim to be so suspicious of government power this should be about as bad as it can possibly get.

Until this happens to a rich white kid, there is no chance of conservatives ever caring about this. Because when you really get down to it, most of the conservative thought on this is that Freddie Gray did something and got what he deserved. It wasn't police stepping out of bounds, it was Freddie Gray forcing them to do what they had too.

 

[fskimospy]

Until this happens to a rich white kid, there is no chance of conservatives ever caring about this. Because when you really get down to it, most of the conservative thought on this is that Freddie Gray did something and got what he deserved. It wasn't police stepping out of bounds, it was Freddie Gray forcing them to do what they had too.

It is interesting to watch their narrative shift to how the cops are the victims here.

 

[Genx87]

It is interesting to watch their narrative shift to how the cops are the victims here.

Typical isn't it? The poor police. They were just doing their jobs when they killed a man in their custody.

 

[Genx87]

Until this happens to a rich white kid, there is no chance of conservatives ever caring about this. Because when you really get down to it, most of the conservative thought on this is that Freddie Gray did something and got what he deserved. It wasn't police stepping out of bounds, it was Freddie Gray forcing them to do what they had too.

I think this is basically the crux of the whole police brutality situation imo. Until the cops start harassing and beating down white America nothing will really change. I mean, look at this thread. A guy was killed in police custody and all we hear about is how he should not have run and the poor police are being hit with mob justice.

 

[fskimospy]

Typical isn't it? The poor police. They were just doing their jobs when they killed a man in their custody.

Hey it happens all the time. Let he who has never severed someone's spine while they were in the back of your car cast the first stone.

 

[werepossum]

Which is exactly why none of these cops will see jail. The only one who had custody of him at that point was the driver. The charges against the driver are so overblown that they can never be proven in court barring a witness testimony. So far, that looks unlikely.

This circus brought to you by the Baltimore DA to appease a mob and nothing more. It plays right into the media's wheelhouse too. Imagine that.

At least one of them had the responsibility to secure Mr. Gray for his safety. I think it possible that this may be a collective responsibility, although I could be wrong. But even if there's no way to prove whether or not the driver intentionally gave a "rough ride", given the Baltimore PD's record of severe injuries during transportation that should be sufficient for negligent homicide. Given Mr. Gray's apparently multiple severe injuries, I think it's also likely that he was seriously injured during the take-down as well, and considering that he apparently asked for and was denied care that also should be sufficient for negligent homicide.

I think this is basically the crux of the whole police brutality situation imo. Until the cops start harassing and beating down white America nothing will really change. I mean, look at this thread. A guy was killed in police custody and all we hear about is how he should not have run and the poor police are being hit with mob justice.

Cops harass and beat down white Americans now. Unless it looks egregious, we tend to just say "dumbass" and move on, but many, many such cases result in legal action. Somehow looting and burning our neighborhoods just doesn't seem particularly productive.

 

[xBiffx]

This thread has gone insane. Somehow its a right wing culture war yet things will only happen a certain way if the jury is a) racist b) white (same thing apparently) c) rich d) conservative (same as all of the above) e) all of the above.

Gotta love P&N sometimes.

 

[cubby1223]

My lord the quantity of posts in this thread that are just fabricated out of thin air.

This is why we can't have nice things in this country.

😛

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

This thread has gone insane. Somehow its a right wing culture war yet things will only happen a certain way if the jury is a) racist b) white (same thing apparently) c) rich d) conservative (same as all of the above) e) all of the above.

Gotta love P&N sometimes.

So please explain how a person died. Are you claiming it was an accident or the victims fault? If so, what evidence do you have to support this claim?

If it wasn't an accident or the victims fault, that would mean it was the police's fault. In that case, you should support charges against the cops correct?

What do you say to the fact that they ignored their own procedures and refused to seat belt him in?

What do you say to the fact that multiple officers all ignored the victim pleading for help and needing medical assistance?

 

[OverVolt]

Cops harass and beat down white Americans now. Unless it looks egregious, we tend to just say "dumbass" and move on, but many, many such cases result in legal action. Somehow looting and burning our neighborhoods just doesn't seem particularly productive.

No they don't. Getting tired of FUD that spreads around the internet so many times it becomes fact.

But its still FUD. Its just a media narrative. I haven't ever had any problems with cops. You guys should KNOW better because everyone also knows the media is full of shit these days and yet here you are talking about stuff you never personally experienced and just read about on the internet. Cause we all know if it was on the internet media its true.

Alot of you guys have been sucked in 110% by this.

 

[Darwin333]

He was charged with Depraved Heart Murder which is a little different

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depraved-heart_murder


Also found the qualifications for it:


(1) that the defendant caused the death of (name);

(2) that the defendant's conduct created a very high risk to the life of (name); and

(3) that the defendant, conscious of such risk, acted with extreme disregard of the life-endangering consequences.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...619450-f021-11e4-8abc-d6aa3bad79dd_story.html

That sounds like it would fit a "rough ride" that ended in death perfectly. So the question becomes can they prove that they gave him a rough ride. How many cops were actually in the van, was it just the driver the entire drive?

Something I just thought of, we all see in the video that it appears his legs are not working just fine anymore. His legs/feet would have been the only thing he had to use as leverage to keep himself in his seat unless he was buckled in. That makes not buckling him in even more negligent imho. It's like forgetting to buckle your newborn in, it's not a question of will they get hurt but how badly will they get hurt. Could the act of not buckling him in alone meet the requirements above regardless of how he drove?

 

[Darwin333]

If ... If ... If.

As I said several times before; I do not know just as you don't. Neither of us saw him before. Yes it is possible that they are all lying their @sses off. But I don't know that for a FACT.

You guys are really dense or don't understand the written word very well.

No, I understand very well. Either he ran or he didn't. I'd bet there are eyewitnesses that can attest to that but for now all I have to go on is the police report that said he ran. I think we can all logically deduce that it's very probable that his legs were working because he was outside walking around when the police confronted him. I think its a stretch, at least at this point, to bring up the "he could have been sitting on the corner bench" possibility as nothing I have seen or heard suggests that.

 

[Exophase]

That sounds like it would fit a "rough ride" that ended in death perfectly.

Possibly not. The prosecution would want to show that the department has a history of giving rough rides, but if that history doesn't include a high occurrence of people dying from it then it's hard to say that the conduct created a very high risk to life.

Something I just thought of, we all see in the video that it appears his legs are not working just fine anymore. His legs/feet would have been the only thing he had to use as leverage to keep himself in his seat unless he was buckled in. That makes not buckling him in even more negligent imho. It's like forgetting to buckle your newborn in, it's not a question of will they get hurt but how badly will they get hurt. Could the act of not buckling him in alone meet the requirements above regardless of how he drove?

The video definitely makes it appear that way, and the arresting officers at the very least were negligent in denying him medical attention based on how he was acting. But looks can still be deceiving, and I think everyone should wait for the autopsy report to confirm or deny if he had a leg injury.

 

[Darwin333]

Which is exactly why none of these cops will see jail. The only one who had custody of him at that point was the driver. The charges against the driver are so overblown that they can never be proven in court barring a witness testimony. So far, that looks unlikely.

This circus brought to you by the Baltimore DA to appease a mob and nothing more. It plays right into the media's wheelhouse too. Imagine that.

How is the depraved heart murder charge overblown? My non-lawyer and nonexpert opinion after reading the law is that it's possible the mere act of not buckling the guy in, if proven caused his death, would meet that definition. If the defense can prove that he would have died had he still been buckled in maybe but I don't see how they do that.

Without going back and rereading everything, it seems that you have changed your tune significantly in this thread. Why are you against personal accountability? The dead guy wasn't even breaking any laws to be arrested so you can't say that he put himself in that position.

 

[touchstone]

I thought about posting the article about Tamir Rice and how the cops are still delaying the investigation. 5 1/2 months and they haven't given a report on what happened, or whether anybody will be charged. I wonder what they are waiting for 🙄

 

[Darwin333]

No they don't. Getting tired of FUD that spreads around the internet so many times it becomes fact.

But its still FUD. Its just a media narrative. I haven't ever had any problems with cops. You guys should KNOW better because everyone also knows the media is full of shit these days and yet here you are talking about stuff you never personally experienced and just read about on the internet. Cause we all know if it was on the internet media its true.

Alot of you guys have been sucked in 110% by this.

Umm, yes they do. Granted it tends to be poor white folk but a ton of police forces are equal opportunity offenders. It generally depends on the demographics of the poor people in their jurisdiction are. Hell there are plenty of threads on here about white folk being needlessly shot/murdered. Middle class folk are much more likely to be abused with excessive use of no-knock raids which most of the US doesn't give a shit about because it doesn't happen to them.

 

[Exophase]

I thought about posting the article about Tamir Rice and how the cops are still delaying the investigation. 5 1/2 months and they haven't given a report on what happened, or whether anybody will be charged. I wonder what they are waiting for 🙄

You probably want Cleveland to be burned to the ground because of this too 🙁

 

[cubby1223]

I thought about posting the article about Tamir Rice and how the cops are still delaying the investigation. 5 1/2 months and they haven't given a report on what happened, or whether anybody will be charged. I wonder what they are waiting for 🙄

So create a new thread and start discussing what you wonder about.

 

[touchstone]

You probably want Cleveland to be burned to the ground because of this too 🙁

If that's what it takes to get justice, then so be it. 'Riots are the language of the unheard' - MLK



I would much prefer the cops be put in jail and put on trial like US citizens, but that's out of the question, right?

 

[Darwin333]

I thought about posting the article about Tamir Rice and how the cops are still delaying the investigation. 5 1/2 months and they haven't given a report on what happened, or whether anybody will be charged. I wonder what they are waiting for 🙄

Holy shit, they still haven't let that poor lady bury her son!!! They have video evidence of what happened so yeah, 5 1/2 months sounds pretty absurd, what new evidence could they possibly collect?

 

[Genx87]

I thought about posting the article about Tamir Rice and how the cops are still delaying the investigation. 5 1/2 months and they haven't given a report on what happened, or whether anybody will be charged. I wonder what they are waiting for 🙄

Hoping people forget? That act was ridiculous. And another example of negligence by a police department. The trigger man has emotional issues and a loose cannon and was basically fired from his previous department. The Cleveland PD didn't even bother looking at his file before hiring him. The driver had a civil suite settled for brutality for beating a woman up when she called in a car was blocking her driveway. That is a criminal offense worthy of a beating from police.

 

[touchstone]

Holy shit, they still haven't let that poor lady bury her son!!! They have video evidence of what happened so yeah, 5 1/2 months sounds pretty absurd, what new evidence could they possibly collect?

They are still analyzing soil samples for possible dinosaur involvement.

 

[Exophase]

There really needs to be an outside agency performing investigations in situations like this.

 

[touchstone]

Holy shit, they still haven't let that poor lady bury her son!!! They have video evidence of what happened so yeah, 5 1/2 months sounds pretty absurd, what new evidence could they possibly collect?

It gets better! The mother is now in a homeless shelter because she can't stand to live next to the 'killing field' where her son was murdered.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ces-mother-has-moved-into-a-homeless-shelter/

There really needs to be an outside agency performing investigations in situations like this.

Sadly, after negotiations with cop unions and advocates you end up with situations where these agencies are hardly independent.

The Contact 5 investigators recently found that since 2000, PBSO has justified nearly all its deputy-involved shootings, and in deadly ones, the clearance rate is 97 percent.

http://www.wptv.com/news/region-c-p...ard-to-investigate-officer-involved-shootings

 

[shortylickens]

There really needs to be an outside agency performing investigations in situations like this.

We already have it. They're called the FBI. And they dont always bother to investigate. And they dont always find anything.