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Fred Thompson to take step toward candidacy

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Anyone but Hillary is my motto this year. I couldn't care less who else gets in office but am sick and tired of the same two families controlling our country since 1988. You can go back even further if you want to count the Bush Sr. VP years.
 
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Anyone but Hillary is my motto this year. I couldn't care less who else gets in office but am sick and tired of the same two families controlling our country since 1988. You can go back even further if you want to count the Bush Sr. VP years.

Try 1980, Bush senior was VP 80-88.

 
He's probably better than most of the candidates already in for the GOP. That said, if he thought being a senator that really didn't do too much on the legislative side was too much work, being president isn't any easier. Unless you take 30% of your time off. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: techs
The fact that a relative unknown like Thompson, with his limited experience, is so desireable to many Republicans shows the sad state of the Republican party.
Most people know very, very little about him, yet rate him higher than the current candidates of whom they know a lot more about their issues.
I smell Republcian desperation.
And a perpetual Democratic majority for 20 years.

You forgot to sign it

-Iraqi Information Minister

You forgot to respond to the substance of his comment, which may offend your party loyalty, but you have to admit, the frontrunners are horrible for the GOP this time around. Thompson, a lazy old goat, with a fair amount of charisma, being a contender, speaks volumes about this weakness.

I find it amusing you think his response has "substance" lol

Heh, reading back, it was kind of funny. I took the part about the poor selection of nominees and sort of ignored the partisan nonsense. Notwithstanding, it's valid to observe the bottom of the barrel choices on both sides of the aisle.

The fact that Thompson is even considered is laughable. He actually complained about the work of being a Senator being too hard, and do you know how many days a year those chumps don't actually work? It seems they work from between 70-150 days a year.

LAZY is the only word for complaining about such a light workload. I sure as hell wouldn't want someone who thinks working 100ish days a year is too hard to be our president. Hell :

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti...The_War_President_is_Missing_in_Action

Do we need another one of these in the White House?

Hehe good to see upon rereading techs blathering you can admit there wasnt much there.

Anyways I dont think he is the worst selection and certainly not bottom of the barrel. Personally I dont understand how people can think Guiliani has a legit chance at the nomination. He is another NE elite. The presidency has run through the South for a long time. Thompson being from Tennessee is a more realistic candidate. I happen to also like his track record more than most of the others running from the republican side.

Fair enough, and I also MUCH prefer Thompson over Ghouliani 🙂
 
Originally posted by: adrunkgerbil
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: adrunkgerbil
Ron Paul > Fred Thompson

I used to consider him until the debate. His stance on foreign policy is as far left as I ever care to bear witness to.
What, hearing the truth from Paul is hard to swallow isn't it? America isn't the perfect country a lot of "conservatives" think we are. Ron Paul's stance on foreign policy is about about as conservative as you can get.

If you like him so much you can elect him. Anyone who demonizes this country as a foreign policy shall not receive my support.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Anyone but Hillary is my motto this year. I couldn't care less who else gets in office but am sick and tired of the same two families controlling our country since 1988. You can go back even further if you want to count the Bush Sr. VP years.

Try 1980, Bush senior was VP 80-88.

True, and while I remain a reserved fan of Reagan, I think most of the bad stuff that happened during the Reagan years can be traced to Bush Sr.'s evils. I remember a really chilling documentary I watched a few years ago (maybe someone else here has seen it?) about the race for the '80 elections, and it had an interview with Reagan saying that he'd never work with Bush, yet suddenly chose him as his running mate at the 25th hour. Some info related here :

http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/3492521.html

"I can?t take him,? Reagan said of Bush. ?That ?voodoo economic policy? charge and his stand on abortion are wrong.?

 
Originally posted by: Pens1566
He's probably better than most of the candidates already in for the GOP. That said, if he thought being a senator that really didn't do too much on the legislative side was too much work, being president isn't any easier. Unless you take 30% of your time off. 🙂

Oh, I'd say doing a "veto" is waaay easier than writing or reading bills. 😉

(Isn't that what Repub Preseidents do when the Congress is Dem?)

Fern
 
I did some more reading on Thompson, he actually pretty much is as bad as I had originally thought. (Not that I would have voted for him before either)

First of all he's 100% pro-life, even to the point of medical reasons which is a non starter for me. Strike 1. He's a stay-the-course in Iraq guy in the same mold as Bush, which is a huge no-no to me, (and it seems like most other people). Strike 2. He rejects global warming using that solar variation theory that has been totally debunked as a major cause which shows either his disrespect for science or his intellectual laziness. That's strike 3. Oh, and he's against gay marriage and civil unions. Strike 4.

While I'm sure all of that sounds great to a few people on here and I'm sure you will furiously support him, I again have to say that a global warming denying Bush war policy supporter who holds some absurd ideas on immigration that are totally unsupported by facts is simply unelectable. It's way off center on nearly all of the salient issues.
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
...solar variation theory that has been totally debunked as a major cause which shows either his disrespect for science or his intellectual laziness."
BS...you need to stay after class and do your homework.

 
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: adrunkgerbil
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: adrunkgerbil
Ron Paul > Fred Thompson

I used to consider him until the debate. His stance on foreign policy is as far left as I ever care to bear witness to.
What, hearing the truth from Paul is hard to swallow isn't it? America isn't the perfect country a lot of "conservatives" think we are. Ron Paul's stance on foreign policy is about about as conservative as you can get.

If you like him so much you can elect him. Anyone who demonizes this country as a foreign policy shall not receive my support.

First of all what you said doesn't really make any sense, also I bet you're one of those guys that fly 100 American flags around and claim to be the most patriotic person you know. It's defies logic to think our policy in the interventionism in the Middle East hasn't caused most of the hate the fundamental Muslims feel towards us. The neo-con talking point of "they hate us because we're free and capitalists" is just retarded.

 
Originally posted by: techs
The fact that a relative unknown like Thompson, with his limited experience, is so desireable to many Republicans shows the sad state of the Republican party.
Most people know very, very little about him, yet rate him higher than the current candidates of whom they know a lot more about their issues.
I smell Republcian desperation.
And a perpetual Democratic majority for 20 years.

uh, can't the same be said of Obama?
 
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Originally posted by: eskimospy
...solar variation theory that has been totally debunked as a major cause which shows either his disrespect for science or his intellectual laziness."
BS...you need to stay after class and do your homework.

Oh really?

Is that what you think?

Maybe Fred will read some of these too.

Ah hell here's the wikipedia article, read the references yourself.

Just a tip for you, before you tell someone to do their homework on an issue make sure you know what the hell you're talking about. Otherwise you might end up looking like an uninformed jackass.
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
I did some more reading on Thompson, he actually pretty much is as bad as I had originally thought. (Not that I would have voted for him before either)

First of all he's 100% pro-life, even to the point of medical reasons which is a non starter for me. Strike 1. He's a stay-the-course in Iraq guy in the same mold as Bush, which is a huge no-no to me, (and it seems like most other people). Strike 2. He rejects global warming using that solar variation theory that has been totally debunked as a major cause which shows either his disrespect for science or his intellectual laziness. That's strike 3. Oh, and he's against gay marriage and civil unions. Strike 4.

While I'm sure all of that sounds great to a few people on here and I'm sure you will furiously support him, I again have to say that a global warming denying Bush war policy supporter who holds some absurd ideas on immigration that are totally unsupported by facts is simply unelectable. It's way off center on nearly all of the salient issues.

You left out Pro-gun and Anti-Illegal immigration. 😉

Interesting to see that GW is a top (4) Presidential issue for some.

Fern
 
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Anyone but Hillary is my motto this year. I couldn't care less who else gets in office but am sick and tired of the same two families controlling our country since 1988. You can go back even further if you want to count the Bush Sr. VP years.

I'm sure if I managed to get in the running you would say anyone but Hillary or Dave.
 
Originally posted by: Fern

You left out Pro-gun and Anti-Illegal immigration. 😉

Interesting to see that GW is a top (4) Presidential issue for some.

Fern

Well I personally think that if you truly accept the science behind global warming, then it should be one of the highest priorities for your elected officials. I mean, the science is predicting a climate-pocalypse possibly within our lifetimes. Seems important to me.

I do have a feeling that a lot of people on here merely see it as another issue to argue about. (either pro or con) They don't seem to grasp the implications of if their side is right 🙂 (the pro people that is)
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Originally posted by: eskimospy
...solar variation theory that has been totally debunked as a major cause which shows either his disrespect for science or his intellectual laziness."
BS...you need to stay after class and do your homework.

Oh really?

Is that what you think?

Maybe Fred will read some of these too.

Ah hell here's the wikipedia article, read the references yourself.

Just a tip for you, before you tell someone to do their homework on an issue make sure you know what the hell you're talking about. Otherwise you might end up looking like an uninformed jackass.

It's amazing what you can do with a 10 second Google search. Start a thread with your assertions and I'll discuss with you.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674

I'm sure if I managed to get in the running you would say anyone but Hillary or Dave.

That's sig-worthy, if I were actually interested in politics.:laugh:

Dave should do government-subsidized stand up.
 
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Originally posted by: eskimospy
...solar variation theory that has been totally debunked as a major cause which shows either his disrespect for science or his intellectual laziness."
BS...you need to stay after class and do your homework.

Oh really?

Is that what you think?

Maybe Fred will read some of these too.

Ah hell here's the wikipedia article, read the references yourself.

Just a tip for you, before you tell someone to do their homework on an issue make sure you know what the hell you're talking about. Otherwise you might end up looking like an uninformed jackass.

It's amazing what you can do with a 10 second Google search. Start a thread with your assertions and I'll discuss with you.

No, the global warming thing has been debated enough. The skeptics have lost... and I have no desire to spend more of my time debating issues that have already been settled. The point is that Fred Thompson is debating issues that have long ago been decided in the scientific community, and I am not interested in perpetuating a debate that has long been finished in the realm of those who have any understanding of global climate change.

So... in effect I am saying no I am not interested. It's been debated in a dozen other threads here, and those who are not interested in reality will continue not to be so.
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
I did some more reading on Thompson, he actually pretty much is as bad as I had originally thought. (Not that I would have voted for him before either)

First of all he's 100% pro-life, even to the point of medical reasons which is a non starter for me. Strike 1. He's a stay-the-course in Iraq guy in the same mold as Bush, which is a huge no-no to me, (and it seems like most other people). Strike 2. He rejects global warming using that solar variation theory that has been totally debunked as a major cause which shows either his disrespect for science or his intellectual laziness. That's strike 3. Oh, and he's against gay marriage and civil unions. Strike 4.

While I'm sure all of that sounds great to a few people on here and I'm sure you will furiously support him, I again have to say that a global warming denying Bush war policy supporter who holds some absurd ideas on immigration that are totally unsupported by facts is simply unelectable. It's way off center on nearly all of the salient issues.

Finally, A candidate worth voting for. Pro gun - Pro life - Anti illegal immigration - GW is BS - Must win in Iraq - Massive dose of common sense that is in desperate short supply in Washington. Heck, he even has the disdain of Eskimospy. Whats not to like?
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Anyone but Hillary is my motto this year. I couldn't care less who else gets in office but am sick and tired of the same two families controlling our country since 1988. You can go back even further if you want to count the Bush Sr. VP years.

I'm sure if I managed to get in the running you would say anyone but Hillary or Dave.

Don't count on it. I would vote for you over Hillary if for no reason other than to punish you. 😛
 
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You'd think that Fred Thompson, after having seen Bill Clinton finally define a role for the cigar in presidential politics, would keep his in his suit coat pocket.

On a more serious note, all the talk of Thompson sharing Bush's cultural values raises the question:

Is Karl Rove's calculation, that "religious" and "cultural" conservatives are the future of the Republican Party, accurate? I get the feeling that, in the long run, Karl has sliced the pie to thin, and that appealing only to "cultural conservatives" won't win national elections anymore. The pundits and party leaders can say that Americans love Bush's hyper-aggressive military policies all they want, but the polls show that not to be the case.

We can expect Rovian tactics from Thompson's campaign if Rove's protege, Tim Griffin, who was slated to replace the Arkansas USA (until the DOJ scandals broke open), ends up in a top job with the campaign

As long as a "social conservative" candidate can give up an appropriate image, their actions are clearly less important.

Tom Delay acts like a social conservative, therefore, his indictment on money laundering doesn't matter. I. Lewis Libby acts like a social conservative, therefore, his conviction on perjury and obstruction of justice doesn't matter. George W. Bush lands in a jet on an aircraft carrier, therefore, his checkered history as a member of the Texas Air National Guard doesn't matter.

The image is what matters.

It seems to me that there is a strange and powerful synergy between (especially fundamentalist/evangelical) Christianity and this sort of hypocrisy. Becasue Christianity is a religion of faith, your salvation does not show in your deeds in the same way it does in Judaism or Islam.

Despite all the warnings against such things in the Gospels and Paul's letters, the fact that "we are all sinful" combined with the fact that "salvation comes only through the attestation of faith" is a recipe for invoking the Lord loudly while doing whatever one pleases.

Thompson was diagnosed with lymphoma a couple of years ago, but at present his cancer is "in remission". Why the media isn't exploring the ramifications of this fact instead of making fools of themselves over Thompson's carefully cultivated "tough guy" persona is an interesting question.

On Thompson's Bride:

Have you seen his new wife? More importantly, can you imagine her (barely 30-yrs-old?) as a First Lady?

The newer/younger model bride also ties into the hyper-masculinity and over-compensation that are part and parcel of being a "real man" in the "modern" GOP. Wow, look at the candy on his arm!

Christian conservatives talk about the sanctity of marriage and following the tenets of the Bible in our personal life. But they reject the Clintons because they have had a marriage that has required toughness, and love people that quit on the first marriage. The age of his bride is important, because it speaks to the rejection of his first wife for a younger woman.

Fred Thompson will be pandering exactly to what "some" modern conservitives want, the Big Daddy image. The whole idea is to have Pa fix everthing. If the patriarch handles business everyone else can go back out and play.

This is also why Thompson and other actual and potential Republican presidential candidates (Ron Paul excepted) try to outdo each other in projecting an image of stern, patriarchal strength that's more than adequate to protect America from its enemies, foreign and domestic.

And this is why the authority-worshipping adolescents in the media and elsewhere swoon in admiration of the patriarchal posturing of people like Romney, Giuliani and Thompson and their ilk.

Fred Thompson character is the perfect candidate for the Republicans. Once the Republican propagandists get behind him, I think he's a shoe in to win the nomination.

The conventional wisdom seems to be the dems will win in '08 because of Iraq. The conventional wisdom will be wrong if the dems aren't ready to fight as dirty as the republicans will with this Thompson "tough-guy, conservative" character as america's hero. The dem nominee will be portrayed as anti-american, and the republican propagandists will be very good at this.

In the past, the institutional checks and balances of the US constitutional system have served to sooner or later neutralize the worst effects of authoritarianism in American governance. But advances in technology combined with the energetic efforts of the Bushevics and their chorus of true believers to systematically abolish those institutional correctives is engendering a political crisis without equal in American history.

The current crop of presidential candidates *could* be evaluated on the basis of their endorsement of or opposition to the well-advanced transformation of the US into a banana republic, and on the basis of their endorsement of the expansion or the contraction of the American Empire and its acts of aggression.

Many Americans, however, will be assessing the candidates in terms of who seems best able to protect them in one way or another, according to their greatest fears.

They'll be looking for the candidate, in other words, who's the biggest, strongest daddy.









 
BMW540I6speed,

Did you plagiarize that whole thing in full? Or change a few words here and there?

Christian conservatives talk about the sanctity of marriage and following the tenets of the Bible in our personal life. But they reject the Clintons because they have had a marriage that has required toughness, and love people that quit on the first marriage. The age of his bride is important, because it speaks to the rejection of his first wife for a younger woman.

The author of that piece is incorrectly assuming Republicans as automatically being Christians. There are many, many immoral corrupt politicians throughout the political spectrum. True Christians value the sanctity of marriage and nuclear family.
 
hellokeith said:
Did you plagiarize that whole thing in full? Or change a few words here and there?

Heh, interesting response, this usually happens when one is in "denial" or completely ignorent of what I wrote, particularly in the portion which you quoted below.

The author of that piece is incorrectly assuming Republicans as automatically being Christians. There are many, many immoral corrupt politicians throughout the political spectrum. True Christians value the sanctity of marriage and nuclear family.

Well, thats what you get when you "assume". I, just like many uphold so called christian "values" in my every day life and respect those "values" in friends & loved ones alike.

Also, I just so happen to be a registered republican (for now) and have been one for many years.

The mechanism is that these people can hide behind cultural conservatism with impunity- which has a few different cogs. The first is the 'Victim Mentality' of this Christianist movement, and how it has been used in unison with the same mentality within the Conservative movement to cow the media into a corner where no criticism of either is allowed - and often where the opposite is required to escape the onslaught of Christianists and Conservatives with hurt feelings and cry's of religious and political intolerance and bias.

Religious and political intolerance is the sword and shield of the Christianist/Conservative warrior. He can use it offensively to assert that the media's coverage of Liberal Sins is severely lacking in comparison to their coverage of Conservative Sins - no matter the true ratio of Sinners on each side. "You can't decry DeLay and Libby and Giuliani and all the rest, if you aren't willing to do the same to some Liberal - go find one or don't report it at all!". It can be used as a shield - deflecting criticism onto the prejudice and bias of the reporter against the poor, indefensible Christianist or Conservative ideologue.

All of this comes together to produce the twisted reality of American Political Media that we see today.

Just as how Fred Thompson can be portrayed as a "good southern baptist" while at the same time hedumps his old wife for a "trophy" half his age. You know, like those "liberal sinner Hollywood weirdo's" that the christianists love to hate and decry.

Just how a literal image is currently to be found tucked away on the official White House website depicting Vice President and Mrs. Cheney posing with their new grandson. The caption reads, "His parents are the Cheneys? daughter Mary, and her partner, Heather Poe."

This frank acknowledgment of reality stands in utter contrast to one of the planks of the 2004 Republican Party platform which states firmly that:

We strongly support a Constitutional amendment that fully protects marriage, and we [oppose] forcing states to recognize other living arrangements as equivalent to marriage. The well-being of children is best accomplished [when] nurtured by their mother and father anchored by the bonds of marriage. We believe that legal recognition and the accompanying benefits afforded couples should be preserved for that unique and special union of one man and one woman which has historically been called marriage.






 
All I think this does is give Billary....err I mean Hillary Clinton a better chance to win unfortunately in my opinion. I don't want to see another Clinton in office. So far the only candidate I like is Ron Paul, but his views on the issues are being criticized by people who don't want substance of very important issues or are too stupid to understand them.
 
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: adrunkgerbil
Ron Paul > Fred Thompson

I used to consider him until the debate. His stance on foreign policy is as far left as I ever care to bear witness to.

An interventionist foreign policy is not conservative. By definition, going out and attacking people for the wrong reasons is not conservative. Conservative foreign policy is to be defensive at home, unless there is a very clear threat to national security, such as Nazi Germany. An interventionist foreign policy creates economic isolationism, which is also not conservative.

This pro-war mentality originates from an ugly part of the left that somehow came to be known as neo-conservative. "New" conservative, what the hell is that?
 
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