Franken Wins Support For Legislation Reining In KBR?s and other contractor's treatment Of Rape

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: bfdd

Blackwater is blacklisted(from what my brother told me when he got back) and KBR does oil field and construction work but also hires for security purposes.

You and your brother need better sourcs. Blackwater is as black as ever. They renamed themselves Xe, and they're still sucking on the government dole as contractors in both Iraq and Afghanistan. :|
...

Remember this is now the Obama government that is issuing contracts and renewing them.

Ask them why?

:light::moon::laugh::thumbsdown: BOOOOOOOSH!!!!!! TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!!! :camera::frown::thumbsup:

8/10. You forgot to mention the "Criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, and general incompetents," or I would've given you a 10.

That's my rhetoric, and I didn't forget. I didn't post it because it didn't apply to anything I said in my replies in this thread. If you meant BoberFett should have posted those words, you're expecting too much from someone who wouldn't understand the words, let alone the truth behind them.

You left out "torturers, war criminals and war profiteers," but thanks for the sudden, unexpected display of good taste and common sense for posting those words about your mercifully EX-Traitor In Chief and his... (you know the rest). :thumbsup:

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: bfdd

Blackwater is blacklisted(from what my brother told me when he got back) and KBR does oil field and construction work but also hires for security purposes.

You and your brother need better sourcs. Blackwater is as black as ever. They renamed themselves Xe, and they're still sucking on the government dole as contractors in both Iraq and Afghanistan. :|
...

Remember this is now the Obama government that is issuing contracts and renewing them.

Ask them why?

:light::moon::laugh::thumbsdown: BOOOOOOOSH!!!!!! TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!!! :camera::frown::thumbsup:

8/10. You forgot to mention the "Criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, and general incompetents," or I would've given you a 10.

That's my rhetoric, and I didn't forget. I didn't post it because it didn't apply to anything I said in my replies in this thread. If you meant BoberFett should have posted those words, you're expecting too much from someone who wouldn't understand the words, let alone the truth behind them.

You left out "torturers, war criminals and war profiteers," but thanks for the sudden, unexpected display of good taste and common sense for posting those words about your mercifully EX-Traitor In Chief and his... (you know the rest). :thumbsup:

Oops, I knew I forgot something. (pssst, and remember, I think Bush was an incompetent buffoon as well)

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: blanghorst
Oops, I knew I forgot something. (pssst, and remember, I think Bush was an incompetent buffoon as well)

who doesn't?

about the only people who think he was some amazing intellectual are the idiots that say he was the mastermind of 9/11

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: blanghorst
Oops, I knew I forgot something. (pssst, and remember, I think Bush was an incompetent buffoon as well)

who doesn't?

about the only people who think he was some amazing intellectual are the idiots that say he was the mastermind of 9/11

I think a couple of guys in this forum (I'm looking at you, Zendari and Butterbean) think he is the reincarnation of Lincoln and Washington combined.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
It's funny to watch you twist around, doing your best to avoid saying as simple as "There are some good Republicans."

It's funny to watch a simpleton such as yourself lie like a dog and not able to make a distinction between conservative republicans and liberal/moderate republicans. I've called out blue dog democrats over health reform and got blasted (and i wouldn't be surprised if it was you) for not being 'inclusive' in the democratic party.

Example:

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
If the bill is so absolutely awful, why do the Republicans insist on inventing lies about it? Is presenting a rational argument based on facts a lost art for them? Have they decided that their constituents are too dull to absorb and process un-exciting information? Have they concluded that their base is ineffective on an intellectual level and only really works for them if they can fire up their emotions, even if they have to lie to do it?

IMHO, these may be bigger issues for the future of the country tha the health care issue itself.

So youre one of those who believe the lame duck GOP has influence? lol They dont control the media and they dont control the house, senate, or WH.

If the bill is so good, why are there 65 or so Dems who think its a piece of shit? Did they drink this illusionary GOP kool-aid too?

Because those blue dog dems are actually conservatives who whore themselves to the insurance lobbies? Ever heard of blue dog democrats?

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

"We're talking about Phokus here -- if they're Republican, they're evil; if they're Democrat, they walk on water." <-- not that i expect blanghorst or you for feeding off his comment to apologize or anything

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: bfdd

Blackwater is blacklisted(from what my brother told me when he got back) and KBR does oil field and construction work but also hires for security purposes.

You and your brother need better sourcs. Blackwater is as black as ever. They renamed themselves Xe, and they're still sucking on the government dole as contractors in both Iraq and Afghanistan. :|
...

Remember this is now the Obama government that is issuing contracts and renewing them.

Ask them why?

:light::moon::laugh::thumbsdown: BOOOOOOOSH!!!!!! TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!!! :camera::frown::thumbsup:

8/10. You forgot to mention the "Criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, and general incompetents," or I would've given you a 10.

That's my rhetoric, and I didn't forget. I didn't post it because it didn't apply to anything I said in my replies in this thread. If you meant BoberFett should have posted those words, you're expecting too much from someone who wouldn't understand the words, let alone the truth behind them.

You left out "torturers, war criminals and war profiteers," but thanks for the sudden, unexpected display of good taste and common sense for posting those words about your mercifully EX-Traitor In Chief and his... (you know the rest). :thumbsup:

I am but a mere shade of the greatest emoti-bot this forum has e'er seen.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: Fern
I,e, if abritration is the wrong avenue for title VI etc suits, why are they only 'outlawing' it for those working for fed contractors? What about the rest of us?

Al Franken covered this when he introduced the bill. Taken from the transcript quoted earlier in the thread:

Mr. FRANKEN. Mr. President, article I, section 8 of our Constitution gives Congress the power to spend money for the welfare of our citizens. Because of this, Chief Justice Rehnquist wrote:

Congress may attach conditions on the receipt of Federal funds, and has repeatedly employed that power to further broad policy objectives.

That is why Congress could pass laws cutting off highway funds to States which didn't raise their drinking age to 21. That is why this whole bill is full of limitations on contractors--what bonuses they can give and what kinds of health care they can offer. The spending power is a broad power, and my amendment is well within it.

They can pass this bill to limit federal funding to groups that don't follow this set of rules regarding arbitration in sexual assault cases as a spending bill. If they wanted it to apply to all companies, it would no longer be a spending bill because not all companies receive federal funds. I admit my ignorance surrounding the legislative process in regards to passing laws about how corporations may arbitrate with employees, but I imagine doing it in this way as a spending bill was done so that it could be passed quicker, and it had the graphic story to go along with it. If they want to change that for all corporations in the future, they can always point to this bill and say, "See, we already require it out of companies that receive federal funds, why not apply it to everyone..."; a convenient foot in the door argument.

I see what you're saying, but a couple of things:

1. I think they put whatever they want in a spending bill (but can't always do the opposite due to Senate rules on budget/spending matters). I.e., I think he/they could have put in a rule for all companies etc.

2. I haven't read extensively on this, but I'm getting the impression that trying to extend this to all companies may not pass Constitutional muster. If so, I feel that they are attempting to use a budget provision to by-pass the Constitution. I'm not sure I like that "end justifies the means" thingy. If it's Constitutionally OK for all other companies to rely upon arbitration, I'm not sure there's any justification to limit the Constitutional rights of fed contractors.

3. I can't help but think there's a more surgical way to resolve this problem. This looks like a potential hellacious problem, including unnecessarily giving tort lawyers a field day - and something that has nothing to do with the problem at hand. I.e., this may create far more problems than it solves.

Fern

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: bfdd

Blackwater is blacklisted(from what my brother told me when he got back) and KBR does oil field and construction work but also hires for security purposes.

You and your brother need better sourcs. Blackwater is as black as ever. They renamed themselves Xe, and they're still sucking on the government dole as contractors in both Iraq and Afghanistan. :|
...

Remember this is now the Obama government that is issuing contracts and renewing them.

Ask them why?

:light::moon::laugh::thumbsdown: BOOOOOOOSH!!!!!! TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!!! :camera::frown::thumbsup:

8/10. You forgot to mention the "Criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, and general incompetents," or I would've given you a 10.

That's my rhetoric, and I didn't forget. I didn't post it because it didn't apply to anything I said in my replies in this thread. If you meant BoberFett should have posted those words, you're expecting too much from someone who wouldn't understand the words, let alone the truth behind them.

You left out "torturers, war criminals and war profiteers," but thanks for the sudden, unexpected display of good taste and common sense for posting those words about your mercifully EX-Traitor In Chief and his... (you know the rest). :thumbsup:

I am but a mere shade of the greatest emoti-bot this forum has e'er seen.

:laugh:

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Fern
I'm not sure I like that "end justifies the means" thingy. If it's Constitutionally OK for all other companies to rely upon arbitration, I'm not sure there's any justification to limit the Constitutional rights of fed contractors.

Bingo.

Everyone in here wants the same things to be accomplished:
(1) the men who committed the rape be punished
(2) progress made in preventing such incidents from ever happening again
and
(3) the contractor be able to do it's intended task as effectively and efficiently as possible

I don't know the ins and outs of this topic as extensively to debate this all, and I also suspect this is equally true for everyone else here.

Certainly this amendment will help (1), but I don't see how it can accomplish (2), and if so then it can only hurt (3).

Does arbitration fail to punish those who were at fault or something? And who is this woman trying to go against, KBR as a company, or the individuals who actually committed the act? There's a lot of missing information here that is not deserving of a knee-jerk "I hate evil Republicans" reaction. :roll:

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Phokus
But keep pretending that Republicans are decent human beings when they're not.

Except for the Republican Yeas.

Right?

We're talking about Phokus here -- if they're Republican, they're evil; if they're Democrat, they walk on water.

Congratulations to the RINO's (you know, the guys that conservatives reject and wish they weren't part of their party) for having a soul. It's almost like they're out of place and in the minority or something. There's really only a couple 'surprising' YEA votes from the GOP.

So would you say there are some good Republicans?

These few defectors are outside the mainstream of the GOP for the most part, with a couple exceptions. These guys are the type of Republican that the b ase (think Club for Growth) actually tries to kick out of the party for not being 'conservative enough'. Maybe, just maybe, these people just wear the republican nametage without actually having much to do with the mainstream republican ideology. The Republican party, as a whole, is terrible. Who cares about outliers. And FWIW, the outliers for the DNC, conservative democrats, are terrible (but apparently not terrible enough to vote against this amendment) and i've railed against them as well (especially for their non-support for healthcare reform). Are we going to be accusing Zell Miller of being a liberal now just because he was a democratic senator?

It's funny to watch you twist around, doing your best to avoid saying as simple as "There are some good Republicans."

That's because there aren't any. There are two kinds: the fascists, and the stupider-than-shit, afraid of their own shadows, gun loving, the police are never wrong, let's kill all the brown people followers.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: blanghorst
Oops, I knew I forgot something. (pssst, and remember, I think Bush was an incompetent buffoon as well)

who doesn't?

about the only people who think he was some amazing intellectual are the idiots that say he was the mastermind of 9/11

Negative. I know of quite a few people here in southern georgia who still think he was a great president, that he was right for invading iraq since they were responsible for 911 and had nukes, etc. These same people bought the fud hook, line and sinker and voted for him again in 2004 and voted for mccain and palin without question.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: JKing106

That's because there aren't any. There are two kinds: the fascists, and the stupider-than-shit, afraid of their own shadows, gun loving, the police are never wrong, let's kill all the brown people followers.

Sounds like you guys have a lot in common. Maybe you should hang out.

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: blanghorst
Oops, I knew I forgot something. (pssst, and remember, I think Bush was an incompetent buffoon as well)

who doesn't?

about the only people who think he was some amazing intellectual are the idiots that say he was the mastermind of 9/11

Negative. I know of quite a few people here in southern georgia who still think he was a great president, that he was right for invading iraq since they were responsible for 911 and had nukes, etc. These same people bought the fud hook, line and sinker and voted for him again in 2004 and voted for mccain and palin without question.

Same in Northeast Georgia. I have family who would probably kiss his ass if they had the chance. One actually went to see the moron speak at Reynolds Plantation in Eatonton, GA. That's a rich people place, folks, where the only brown people are workers.

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: JKing106

That's because there aren't any. There are two kinds: the fascists, and the stupider-than-shit, afraid of their own shadows, gun loving, the police are never wrong, let's kill all the brown people followers.

Sounds like you guys have a lot in common. Maybe you should hang out.

I wouldn't want to disturb your sheet wearin', gun masturbatin', n****r hatin' party.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: JKing106

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: JKing106

That's because there aren't any. There are two kinds: the fascists, and the stupider-than-shit, afraid of their own shadows, gun loving, the police are never wrong, let's kill all the brown people followers.

Sounds like you guys have a lot in common. Maybe you should hang out.

I wouldn't want to disturb your sheet wearin', gun masturbatin', n****r hatin' party.

You wouldn't have to, since you and your ignorant, over-generalizing wingnuts are probably running them.

 

[Equ1n0x]

Not only was it all Republicans that voted "NO", it was all *male* Republicans. If that was their daughter, wife, sister or mother, they would have had a completely different perspective on the matter. Since it was just some woman they didn't know, it was "protect the kind, gentle military contractor that gives me donations from the evil jezabel who probably asked for it."