Franken will likely win in Minnesota.

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Stiganator
I'm curious why people say only Franken is getting votes. They only talk about the differential. i.e. 245 votes etc. Both parties can be getting votes, one party is just getting them at a greater rate. I still don't understand how it's an issue at all. A person demonstrates how to fill of the freakin ballot and there are no less then 4 written warnings and illustrations showing how to fill out the ballot (fill in the circle), yet people still use X, checks, circle names... WTF! Can you read or at least see?

Something tells me a few times in your life you've done something incorrectly even with instructions in front of you.

While I haven't looked at this closely I'm nearly certain that both sides are getting more votes, Franken is just getting them at a faster rate. This is not really a surprise, as a very general rule the poorer, urban neighborhoods tend to have a higher percentage of questionable ballots that are later validated during a recount.

 

[Jhhnn]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
I would just like to hear Limbaugh and Hannity drown in their own bile at the thought of Senator Franken.

This. And the whole "voter fraud" routine to hold the faithful, convince them that losing is always, always, always the result of skullduggery by Dems...

Unless repubs can find some way to refresh their brand, their fortunes will continue to decline with demographic shifts and the passing of today's seniors, replacement in the general population by younger, less inherently conservative and more ethnically mixed/diverse people...

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I really hope Franken wins.

Not that it impacts me in any way but I would love, absolutely love to see Franken lose...even better would be by one vote...and how I wish I could have been that guy.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: umbrella39
10:15 AM
Coleman: 1,211,525
Franken: 1,211,088

1:20 PM
Coleman: 1,211,527
Franken: 1,211,190

Now, 02:38 AM
Coleman: 1,211,556
Franken: 1.211,335

As you can see, each time there were gains for both Franken and Coleman. Each time I have seen an update there has always been votes for both added. Just many more for Franken.

Yeah I call shens on that...too big of a jump, something <><y is going on there.

 

[Lemon law]

What we are seeing now is somewhat of a mere formality, just a cursory examination of ballots and voting machine tallies. And not anything to credit as really valid even though the trend lines are eating into the Coleman lead. Which may be a very grim final portend for Coleman.

The real action will come after November 18, when the as it is best tallies are certified. Because then the State mandated automatic recount starts, and then ballot by ballot scrutiny will start without much room for doubt or bias. Until then, we are still in the mere formalities of completing the exhibition games, the battle for all the marbles starts post Nov 18.

 

[Tab]

Wait a minute, why weren't these absentee ballots counted in the first place?

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Tab
Wait a minute, why weren't these absentee ballots counted in the first place?

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Do you have Minnesota confused with Alaska?

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: Tab
Wait a minute, why weren't these absentee ballots counted in the first place?

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Do you have Minnesota confused with Alaska?

ST. PAUL, Minn. ? Sen. Norm Coleman has failed in an attempt to block some absentee ballots from being counted in his close race with Democrat Al Franken.
A Ramsey County judge on Saturday denied the request because of lack of jurisdiction. The incumbent Republican had tried to block 32 ballots from heavily Democratic Hennepin County.
Coleman's campaign says the ballots were not counted on Election Day or were not kept in sealed boxes. It says the request was made amid "increasing questions about unexplained and improbable shifts in vote counts."

No, it's straight from your article.

 

[Butterbean]

Originally posted by: Jiggz

Originally posted by: Genx87
When it comes time to do these recounts it is amazing where they find democrat votes.
I have little doubt they will find 1000 ballots in the trunk of a democratic official on the Iron Range and 90% of those votes will go to Franken. Nevermind the fact 1000 people probably dont even live in the precinct.

It reminds me of the Washington State Gubernatorial Race of 2004 between Gregoire (D) and Rossi (R). Rossi was ahead by less than 1% of the total vote so an auto recount was conducted and he's still ahead. But Gregoire refutes so a 2nd recount was made and again Rossi was a little ahead. But then again, Gregoire refutes and conducted a self funded recount and won by 133 votes! And ACORN was around the whole time!

You have the same thing in Minnesota. MN Secretary of State Mark Ritchie won his race with help of ACORN, MoveOn and Soros. Soros has turned my former party into a sham.

http://www.danegerus.com/weblo...ts.asp?svComment=20975

 

[jpeyton]

I hope ACORN can pull this one out for Franken.

 

[imported_gardener]

Originally posted by: Jiggz
It reminds me of the Washington State Gubernatorial Race of 2004 between Gregoire (D) and Rossi (R). Rossi was ahead by less than 1% of the total vote so an auto recount was conducted and he's still ahead. But Gregoire refutes so a 2nd recount was made and again Rossi was a little ahead. But then again, Gregoire refutes and conducted a self funded recount and won by 133 votes! And ACORN was around the whole time!

Initial machine count...Rossi ahead by 261 votes.

Machine recount...Rossi ahead by 42.

You would be an idiot not to ask for a manual recount.

Gregoire requested, as was the right of either candidate, a deciding hand recount, which she had to pay for, by law. She won the hand recount by 129 votes. And since the hand recount was different than the manual recount, the state reimbursed her the cost...again, according to state law.

Rossi challenged the election in court, claiming felons were allowed to vote, but the case was dismissed on lack of evidence. Although during the proceedings Rossi provided sworn statements from 4 individuals who voted for Rossi and who were felons. The judge reduced Rossi's ballot count by 4, increasing Gregoire's lead to 133.

Republican Secretary of State Sam Reed does his duty and certifies Gregoire as Governor elect, winner by 133 votes. He later publicly acknowledges being pressured by factions within his party to throw out the manual recount, and is widely quoted as saying "I'm no Katherine Harris" and "this is Washington, not Florida".

Originally posted by: Jiggz
And ACORN was around the whole time!

That organization had nothing to do with the vote count or court case.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Tab
Wait a minute, why weren't these absentee ballots counted in the first place?

Here's why:

The 32 Minneapolis ballots were part of the normal delivery of absentee ballots late in the polling day, according to Election Director Cindy Reichert.

She said they were retained when they couldn't be delivered because some polling places had shut down for the day. She said the ballots were kept sealed until other election duties were completed and were being counted Saturday afternoon, with results to be delivered to the state on Monday.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: tm37
Another thing that really concerns me is that why is it all of the undervotes are going to be for frankin? People must really be down on democrats as it would appear they are the only one unable to fill out a ballot.

The actual, approximate undervote totals are about 18500 in strongly Democrat precincts and about 6000 in strongly Republican precincts.

It may well be that most of those undervotes are legitimate. But assuming 10% actually have a senate vote on them, then a net of about 1250 ballots in Democrat precincts could well decide the election. Assuming Franken had a 20% margin over Coleman in those precincts, then Franken would pick up 250 votes, for a net margin of 29 votes for Franken. Mix in random changes on a small percentage of other statewide ballots, and this election could end up with a margin of 10 votes, one way or the other. For an election with 2.4 million votes cast, that would probably go down as the closest election in history.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I really hope Franken wins.

Do you have any actual thoughts other than "D good, R evil"?

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: tm37
Another thing that really concerns me is that why is it all of the undervotes are going to be for frankin? People must really be down on democrats as it would appear they are the only one unable to fill out a ballot.

The actual, approximate undervote totals are about 18500 in strongly Democrat precincts and about 6000 in strongly Republican precincts.

It may well be that most of those undervotes are legitimate. But assuming 10% actually have a senate vote on them, then a net of about 1250 ballots in Democrat precincts could well decide the election. Assuming Franken had a 20% margin over Coleman in those precincts, then Franken would pick up 250 votes, for a net margin of 29 votes for Franken. Mix in random changes on a small percentage of other statewide ballots, and this election could end up with a margin of 10 votes, one way or the other. For an election with 2.4 million votes cast, that would probably go down as the closest election in history.

What? You think only 10% of people are voting for their U.S. Senator? There were virtually the same number of votes cast for the presidential race as there were cast for the senate race. I'd say 90% would be a conservative estimate.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: tm37
Another thing that really concerns me is that why is it all of the undervotes are going to be for frankin? People must really be down on democrats as it would appear they are the only one unable to fill out a ballot.

The actual, approximate undervote totals are about 18500 in strongly Democrat precincts and about 6000 in strongly Republican precincts.

It may well be that most of those undervotes are legitimate. But assuming 10% actually have a senate vote on them, then a net of about 1250 ballots in Democrat precincts could well decide the election. Assuming Franken had a 20% margin over Coleman in those precincts, then Franken would pick up 250 votes, for a net margin of 29 votes for Franken. Mix in random changes on a small percentage of other statewide ballots, and this election could end up with a margin of 10 votes, one way or the other. For an election with 2.4 million votes cast, that would probably go down as the closest election in history.

What? You think only 10% of people are voting for their U.S. Senator? There were virtually the same number of votes cast for the presidential race as there were cast for the senate race. I'd say 90% would be a conservative estimate.

The antecedent of "them" in that sentence was "those [ballots with] undervotes."

In other words, my assumption was that 10% of the ballots that currently have a senate undervote (vote for President, no vote for Senator) actually have an unread vote for Senator. The higher the actual percentage, the more Franken will benefit in the recount.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I really hope Franken wins.

Do you have any actual thoughts other than "D good, R evil"?

Dude...you say that like it's not reason enough...

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: tm37
Another thing that really concerns me is that why is it all of the undervotes are going to be for frankin? People must really be down on democrats as it would appear they are the only one unable to fill out a ballot.

The actual, approximate undervote totals are about 18500 in strongly Democrat precincts and about 6000 in strongly Republican precincts.

It may well be that most of those undervotes are legitimate. But assuming 10% actually have a senate vote on them, then a net of about 1250 ballots in Democrat precincts could well decide the election. Assuming Franken had a 20% margin over Coleman in those precincts, then Franken would pick up 250 votes, for a net margin of 29 votes for Franken. Mix in random changes on a small percentage of other statewide ballots, and this election could end up with a margin of 10 votes, one way or the other. For an election with 2.4 million votes cast, that would probably go down as the closest election in history.

What? You think only 10% of people are voting for their U.S. Senator? There were virtually the same number of votes cast for the presidential race as there were cast for the senate race. I'd say 90% would be a conservative estimate.

The antecedent of "them" in that sentence was "those [ballots with] undervotes."

In other words, my assumption was that 10% of the ballots that currently have a senate undervote (vote for President, no vote for Senator) actually have an unread vote for Senator. The higher the actual percentage, the more Franken will benefit in the recount.

I think that if there are missing that high of a percentage it is time to go to a better system of ballots

 

[Lemon law]

What is now unknown is how many voters were actually so alienated by a choice of Frankin, Coleman, or Barkely, all of which had high negatives, and therefore refused to vote for any Senate choice.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I really hope Franken wins.

Do you have any actual thoughts other than "D good, R evil"?

Do you have any actual thoughts other than "Yes, Lord Rove"?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Genx87
When it comes time to do these recounts it is amazing where they find democrat votes.
I have little doubt they will find 1000 ballots in the trunk of a democratic official on the Iron Range and 90% of those votes will go to Franken. Nevermind the fact 1000 people probably dont even live in the precinct.

http://ksax.com/article/stories/S653106.shtml?cat=10230

"We were actually told they had been riding around in her car for several days, which raised all kinds of integrity questions," said Coleman's attorney, Fritz Knaak.

Gee the script for this is so damn predictable.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Genx87
When it comes time to do these recounts it is amazing where they find democrat votes.
I have little doubt they will find 1000 ballots in the trunk of a democratic official on the Iron Range and 90% of those votes will go to Franken. Nevermind the fact 1000 people probably dont even live in the precinct.

http://ksax.com/article/stories/S653106.shtml?cat=10230

"We were actually told they had been riding around in her car for several days, which raised all kinds of integrity questions," said Coleman's attorney, Fritz Knaak.

Gee the script for this is so damn predictable.

Wow, mislead people much?

I know, you didn't technically LIE. But you quoted yourself predicting that someone will find 1000 ballots in their trunk, and then you link to an article talking about someone finding ballots in their trunk, obviously deliberately leaving out the fact that she found only 32 ballots. Yes, 32 ballots can still make a big difference here. Yes, it raises certain concerns. But being absentee ballots, they are sealed and have people's personal information on them, unlike normal ballots.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Genx87
When it comes time to do these recounts it is amazing where they find democrat votes.
I have little doubt they will find 1000 ballots in the trunk of a democratic official on the Iron Range and 90% of those votes will go to Franken. Nevermind the fact 1000 people probably dont even live in the precinct.

http://ksax.com/article/stories/S653106.shtml?cat=10230

"We were actually told they had been riding around in her car for several days, which raised all kinds of integrity questions," said Coleman's attorney, Fritz Knaak.

Gee the script for this is so damn predictable.

Wow, mislead people much?

I know, you didn't technically LIE. But you quoted yourself predicting that someone will find 1000 ballots in their trunk, and then you link to an article talking about someone finding ballots in their trunk, obviously deliberately leaving out the fact that she found only 32 ballots. Yes, 32 ballots can still make a big difference here. Yes, it raises certain concerns. But being absentee ballots, they are sealed and have people's personal information on them, unlike normal ballots.

All of this sht is irrelevant, b/c Franken will win and noone will remember HOW it happened nor care. Just like Bush 2000, it will be forgotten and the Dems are 1 seat closer to unilateral power.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
What is now unknown is how many voters were actually so alienated by a choice of Frankin, Coleman, or Barkely, all of which had high negatives, and therefore refused to vote for any Senate choice.

I was very nearly one of those people. I ultimately voted for Coleman, but wasn't enthusiastic about it.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Genx87
When it comes time to do these recounts it is amazing where they find democrat votes.
I have little doubt they will find 1000 ballots in the trunk of a democratic official on the Iron Range and 90% of those votes will go to Franken. Nevermind the fact 1000 people probably dont even live in the precinct.

http://ksax.com/article/stories/S653106.shtml?cat=10230

"We were actually told they had been riding around in her car for several days, which raised all kinds of integrity questions," said Coleman's attorney, Fritz Knaak.

Gee the script for this is so damn predictable.

Wow, mislead people much?

I know, you didn't technically LIE. But you quoted yourself predicting that someone will find 1000 ballots in their trunk, and then you link to an article talking about someone finding ballots in their trunk, obviously deliberately leaving out the fact that she found only 32 ballots. Yes, 32 ballots can still make a big difference here. Yes, it raises certain concerns. But being absentee ballots, they are sealed and have people's personal information on them, unlike normal ballots.

Leave it upto an apologist to nit pick. When i made the comment about 1000 ballots it was in jest. I think most people understood one cant predict the exact amount of ballots one will find in a car trunk. Only predict the act of finding ballots in a car trunk. Which is simply fucking ridiculous. Regardless of what kind of ballot it is.