Franken will likely win in Minnesota.

[Lemon law]

No doubt about it, the race for the Minnesota Senate race has resulted in a razor thin
margin still favoring Coleman. But I believe the possible under count of Frankin votes is not fraud, but lies in human and machine error in various locations of Frankin strength.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...8AuPhTSzbAn6WyPO2s0NUE

And due to the fact that there is a paper record, it looks like all ballots will get a fresh examination when the post November 18'th recount begins. And if Coleman is lucky, he will find under counts in locations favoring him. So I tend to believe that there may be court challenges to what ballots are and are not totally reexamined. Not mentioned in the link is my understanding that Minnesota State law may end up kicking the seating question to the US Senate.

In a related area, I do not quite understand what is taking Alaska this long, it was my understanding that the election hung on counting a mere 40,000 absentee ballots. And since the class of absentee ballots are likely to be statistically different that the class of general election ballots, a pro Begish bias in the former would be required to unseat Stevens. If a pro Stevens bias in the class of absentee ballot exists, its would seem to make it a no brainer that Begish would be toast.
But for reasons I do not understand, not even a clue yet.

As for Georgia, it looks like Chambliss came .2% short of the requited 50%, so it forces a early December run off with the democrat. And maybe the first referendum on Obama. With the R's perhaps arguing they need to prevent a Democratic rubber stamp congress and the D's saying we need to prevent gridlock.

Meaning Lieberman staying democratic takes on new importance.

 

[StageLeft]

My only post is it's crazy how close some of these are, almost uncanny.

 

[quest55720]

There is something fishy going on with the minnesota senate race. Every time the totals are updated Franken gains never is there a mistake in Colemans favor. There has yet to be a change in Colemans favor but like 3 a day that favor franken. I hate both and voted for Barkley.

 

[jpeyton]

I really hope Franken wins.

 

[nonameo]

Heh, I will be voting against Chambliss in the runoff. He's way too hardcore republican for me. Martin is more centered.

 

[vi edit]

The thing I found amazing in MN was the 400,000+ votes (over 15% of total votes) for the independent Barkely. Outside of Ross Perot I don't know if I've ever really seen that much of a legitimate push for a third party in for a federal (US Rep/Sen or President) position.

I don't know anything about Barkely so I don't know if they were votes for him, or simply votes for anyone but Franken or Coleman.

MN has some interesting elections.

 

[imported_Lothar]

I hope Norm Coleman wins.
Add me to the list of democrats who would pick him (and Barkley as well) over Al Franken any day of the week.

 

[CallMeJoe]

I would just like to hear Limbaugh and Hannity drown in their own bile at the thought of Senator Franken.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: vi edit
The thing I found amazing in MN was the 400,000+ votes (over 15% of total votes) for the independent Barkely. Outside of Ross Perot I don't know if I've ever really seen that much of a legitimate push for a third party in for a federal (US Rep/Sen or President) position.

I don't know anything about Barkely so I don't know if they were votes for him, or simply votes for anyone but Franken or Coleman.

MN has some interesting elections.

The independents are alive and well in Minnesota.
They're the same people that elected a wrestler as their governor.

I wish my state was like that.
Unfortunately I have to keep voting Democrat in most cases since most of the Republicans here are worse, and the 3rd party candidates here always gets less than 1% of the vote.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Yep MN. A state that can baffle the mind. Comics wrestlers . we elect anyone . It doesn't seem to make a differance either way. SO next election in MN. There is a very good chance a common man like Joe the plummer could easily win in MN.

Yep one of the cleanest states in the union. Proud of it to. Its proubly the reason I look at race the way I do . Its pretty normal for people in MN. But we in MN.Wear a prejudice on our sleeves. ASK any GREEN BAY FAN. No really MN is a great state probably the best people in the country.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
I would just like to hear Limbaugh and Hannity drown in their own bile at the thought of Senator Franken.

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While I can agree with the sentiment, sadly, Limbaugh and Hannity will stubbornly refuse to drown in their own bile. They may thereafter excommunicate Minnesota just like Limbaugh did to Ohio, calling down all manner of biblical plagues, but it will not have the desired effect of shutting them up.

The only way to end their trolling lies in mind over matter, if the American people don't pay any attention to what they say, it will not matter. As it is, I take note of the companies sponsoring them, and refuse to buy their products.

Starting with Lumber Liquidators, various gold speculators, computer backup services, and identity theft charlestons. Please, anyone, feel fee to add to the list.

 

[sportage]

I was hopeful old AL would easily win. Seems fishy MN would stick with Coleman considering his close ties and agreement with GW Bush. The same thing that killed Mccain off.
AL is much smarter than most realize, politically. His radio show exposed so many issues way before they were mainstream, like outing the CIA agent. He talked about that 2 years before news media carried it.
If Franken does not win, I hope he returns to radio.
Or if its like the Bush whitehouse, Obama will appoint Franken to an admin post.
I could live with that.

 

[Genx87]

When it comes time to do these recounts it is amazing where they find democrat votes.
I have little doubt they will find 1000 ballots in the trunk of a democratic official on the Iron Range and 90% of those votes will go to Franken. Nevermind the fact 1000 people probably dont even live in the precinct.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: sportage
I was hopeful old AL would easily win. Seems fishy MN would stick with Coleman considering his close ties and agreement with GW Bush. The same thing that killed Mccain off.
AL is much smarter than most realize, politically. His radio show exposed so many issues way before they were mainstream, like outing the CIA agent. He talked about that 2 years before news media carried it.
If Franken does not win, I hope he returns to radio.
Or if its like the Bush whitehouse, Obama will appoint Franken to an admin post.
I could live with that.

lol Franken is a far left bomb thrower. Would you find it fishy if Rush Limbaugh wasnt elected to the senate if he ran in 94?

Obama appoints Franken to an admin post and he loses a lot of credibility. Obama isnt an idiot so dont get your hopes up if Franken somehow loses this recount.

 

[villageidiot111]

Originally posted by: Genx87
When it comes time to do these recounts it is amazing where they find democrat votes.
I have little doubt they will find 1000 ballots in the trunk of a democratic official on the Iron Range and 90% of those votes will go to Franken. Nevermind the fact 1000 people probably dont even live in the precinct.

Wow there are a lot of unfounded accusations towards democrats in this thread. When you consider how close the election is new votes in either direction are going to seem like a large gain. Accusing democrats of election fraud without any evidence to support the claim is weak and unfair.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: villageidiot111

Originally posted by: Genx87
When it comes time to do these recounts it is amazing where they find democrat votes.
I have little doubt they will find 1000 ballots in the trunk of a democratic official on the Iron Range and 90% of those votes will go to Franken. Nevermind the fact 1000 people probably dont even live in the precinct.

Wow there are a lot of unfounded accusations towards democrats in this thread. When you consider how close the election is new votes in either direction are going to seem like a large gain. Accusing democrats of election fraud without any evidence to support the claim is weak and unfair.

Call it a hunch.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Genx87
When it comes time to do these recounts it is amazing where they find democrat votes.
I have little doubt they will find 1000 ballots in the trunk of a democratic official on the Iron Range and 90% of those votes will go to Franken. Nevermind the fact 1000 people probably dont even live in the precinct.

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While the partisan spittle and froth may be understandably partisan, it looks like some of the under counts are simple human error and machine scan errors, with too light of a marking being possibly due to defective pens being supplied.

Try sticking to the facts in the link rather than inventing conspiracies out of thin air.
Fraud will be exposed in any recount process, some gray areas may exist, but 1000 votes in a chest simply will not happen, those on team Frankin will not try it and those on team Coleman will not permit it. Its the way the recount process works.

 

[Stiganator]

I'm curious why people say only Franken is getting votes. They only talk about the differential. i.e. 245 votes etc. Both parties can be getting votes, one party is just getting them at a greater rate. I still don't understand how it's an issue at all. A person demonstrates how to fill of the freakin ballot and there are no less then 4 written warnings and illustrations showing how to fill out the ballot (fill in the circle), yet people still use X, checks, circle names... WTF! Can you read or at least see?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: villageidiot111

Originally posted by: Genx87
When it comes time to do these recounts it is amazing where they find democrat votes.
I have little doubt they will find 1000 ballots in the trunk of a democratic official on the Iron Range and 90% of those votes will go to Franken. Nevermind the fact 1000 people probably dont even live in the precinct.

Wow there are a lot of unfounded accusations towards democrats in this thread. When you consider how close the election is new votes in either direction are going to seem like a large gain. Accusing democrats of election fraud without any evidence to support the claim is weak and unfair.

Call it a hunch.

I agree, the Dems took good notes in Florida.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Stiganator
I'm curious why people say only Franken is getting votes. They only talk about the differential. i.e. 245 votes etc. Both parties can be getting votes, one party is just getting them at a greater rate. I still don't understand how it's an issue at all. A person demonstrates how to fill of the freakin ballot and there are no less then 4 written warnings and illustrations showing how to fill out the ballot (fill in the circle), yet people still use X, checks, circle names... WTF! Can you read or at least see?

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That hypothesis only works if you assume the same election machines exist statewide, the same pens are used, and the same optical scanners are used to initially count the ballots. Out of calibration optical scanners, even if fairly rare, will still be location specific.

The problem is that the errors seem to tend to be largely in favor of Coleman in areas of Frankin strength. Its possible that the recount process will find similar errors that boost the Coleman chances, but as I said in my initial posts, I think there is little or no fraud operating, but some human and machine error is always probable in any election process. I believe the recount process will fairly decide the real winner.

 

[First]

This race was once separated by 65 votes and is now 221! Crazy.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: quest55720
There is something fishy going on with the minnesota senate race. Every time the totals are updated Franken gains never is there a mistake in Colemans favor. There has yet to be a change in Colemans favor but like 3 a day that favor franken. I hate both and voted for Barkley.

Not really true. From the MN SoS office today:


9:15 AM
Coleman: 1,211,520
Franken: 1,211,077

10:15 AM
Coleman: 1,211,525
Franken: 1,211,088

1:20 PM
Coleman: 1,211,527
Franken: 1,211,190

Now, 02:38 AM
Coleman: 1,211,556
Franken: 1.211,335

As you can see, each time there were gains for both Franken and Coleman. Each time I have seen an update there has always been votes for both added. Just many more for Franken.

 

[sportage]

Obama appoints Franken to an admin post and he loses a lot of credibility. Obama isnt an idiot so dont get your hopes up if Franken somehow loses this recount.

This is a typical reaction from those that do not know Franken.
He's not your SNL clown. He is very politically savvy.
Like I said, he's up on issues before they become mainstream.
Its easy to still assume Franken is just a comedian from SNL.

If he was just that, he never would have received so many votes.
Once people "actually" listen to him and follow him, they realize
he is extremely politically smart guy. Not just a big mouth like Rush.
There is a reason he started from far behind and now has caught up to Coleman.
People discovered Franken is a politically smart guy.
Rush could NEVER reach the serious popularity that Franken has.
Rush is just an entertainer. He's the clown.

 

[Jiggz]

Originally posted by: Genx87
When it comes time to do these recounts it is amazing where they find democrat votes.
I have little doubt they will find 1000 ballots in the trunk of a democratic official on the Iron Range and 90% of those votes will go to Franken. Nevermind the fact 1000 people probably dont even live in the precinct.

It reminds me of the Washington State Gubernatorial Race of 2004 between Gregoire (D) and Rossi (R). Rossi was ahead by less than 1% of the total vote so an auto recount was conducted and he's still ahead. But Gregoire refutes so a 2nd recount was made and again Rossi was a little ahead. But then again, Gregoire refutes and conducted a self funded recount and won by 133 votes! And ACORN was around the whole time!

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: Stiganator
I'm curious why people say only Franken is getting votes. They only talk about the differential. i.e. 245 votes etc. Both parties can be getting votes, one party is just getting them at a greater rate. I still don't understand how it's an issue at all. A person demonstrates how to fill of the freakin ballot and there are no less then 4 written warnings and illustrations showing how to fill out the ballot (fill in the circle), yet people still use X, checks, circle names... WTF! Can you read or at least see?

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That hypothesis only works if you assume the same election machines exist statewide, the same pens are used, and the same optical scanners are used to initially count the ballots. Out of calibration optical scanners, even if fairly rare, will still be location specific.

The problem is that the errors seem to tend to be largely in favor of Coleman in areas of Frankin strength. Its possible that the recount process will find similar errors that boost the Coleman chances, but as I said in my initial posts, I think there is little or no fraud operating, but some human and machine error is always probable in any election process. I believe the recount process will fairly decide the real winner.

Clearly you have no idea how MN election news works, as it is set up to allow Fraud.

You don't have a picture ID? That is fine bring a Utility bill.

No proof of address? Just bring a frind who will vouch for you.

You can register on the day of the election with nothing more than a person to say this is Bob abd he lives next door.

Another thing that really concerns me is that why is it all of the undervotes are going to be for frankin? People must really be down on democrats as it would appear they are the only one unable to fill out a ballot.

I believe that frankin will end up in the senate and I while I do not think he is an idiot i do think that he is not the answer. He has been saying for Years that the answer is more government and how horrible rich people are. Bussiness is bad. The demorats do really want him eaither as he is too liberal!