France to be home to first fusion reactor!

[Anubis]

sweet its about time someone got one of these things running

if the funding hadent been cut in this country on fusion research we would have hit the break eveb point about 5 years ago

most fusions reactors are at the break even point, it wont be long untill they start produceing

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: supafly

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: 733SHiFTY
looks like a new terrorist target to me...

Maybe if it was built in the US.

Yeah, because we all know terrorists only attack the US.

Well the US tries to be popular with all the crowds.

 

[PHiuR]

sweet, i'll take one!

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: loic2003
-Montgolfier brothers.
-The french stated that actual flying was taking off, turning round and landing in a controlled manner, not just barely getting off the ground in a straight line.
BALLOONS? LMAO. Give Count Zepplin his credit if you're counting balloons. AFAIK, it was the wrights who did that for heavier than air travel, which has proven the only viable option. (first controlled turn, nontrivial flight time). In any case, powered flight was not a french creation, nor did they bring it to the masses before anyone else.

no-one can argue about how amazing Concorde was.It was a marginally cool plane, but it was a european effort, not strictly french, and it was largely built off the american XB-70 project, plus, all the research in breaking the sound barrier in the first place was american

-Where's your TGV?
See what japan came up with ealrier this week. France is not particularly ahead of anyone else in train 'technology'

-True, it's not soley french, but they've shown great enthusiasm into hosting it and are keen players in most european expeiments/projects.Ummm...K. You do realize that most of those big science projcets bring jobs...jobs for which france is hurting badly.
-One example of it stinging them is when the concorde went hugely over budget and threatened the be very similar to a spruce-goose scenario.

So...large projects backfire for people sometimes? IIRC, the concorde never even came close to breaking even.

Like I said. Credit where credit is due.

Well it sure looks like you're arguing for the sake of it, so I'll make this brief.

BALLOONS? LMAO. Give Count Zepplin his credit if you're counting balloons.

Of course, but he wasn't the FIRST which is what I stated. He wasn't even born when the first balloons were flying. I'm not sure how you think this is proving me wrong in any way. Lets take a look at some ballooning achievements since you like talking about them:

1783: First Balloon flight (Montgolfier Bros)
First Hydrogen-filled balloon flight (Jacques Charles)
First Human Balloon Flight (Montgolfier Bros)

1784: First POWERED balloon (Jean Meusnier)
First Balloon Flight by a woman (Madame Thible)

1794: First Military use of the Balloon (Jean Marie Coutelle)

Originally posted by: So
Like I said. Credit where credit is due.

😉 Seems to me you were just spouting the most well known name when it came to balloons to try and downplay the fact that you were wrong. The above were all French, incidentally.

As for the first powered flight, well many disagree that the Wright brothers were the first for numerous reasons. Firstly, it wasn't entirely self powered: their aircraft required a catapult and headwind in order to get off the ground. Secondly, there were other flights which arguably achieved what the Wright borthers set out to achieve before them. One such example is that of Clément Ader in 1890:

...The Zeppelins were powered as well, of course, but the first powered heavier-than-air flight took place in 1890 (Clement Ader, steam engine on bat-winged monoplane, 60 yards). The Wrights' 1903 flight (300 yards) was the first photographed heavier-than-air flight.

Richard Pearce and Karl Jatho are also arguably the first people to fly.

[the Concorde] was a marginally cool plane

Way to downplay one of man's greatest achievements! Where else can you see an example of an aircraft that can cruise at supersonic speeds with the occupant dressed in regular clothing (ie not suits just shy of a space suit). What other aircraft could fly for hours at supersonic speeds, land and then be back in the air in the blink of an eye? Of course the Concorde was based on previous research, as all development is (car designers don't start from scratch when building a new car, they use ideas that have previously been used and develop them).

See what japan came up with ealrier this week.

And it's great stuff, but the TGV has been around for over two decades. The network is extensive and highly efficient. A true dream to use. Have you ever used it?

Anyhoo.... I don't really know where you were going, or even if you actualy had some kind of a point to add. It did seem like you were simply trying to start some kind of argument behind your excessively rose-tinted specs just for the hell of it (isn't that the definition of a troll?), but either way I'm done wasting my valuable time in this thread.

:beer:

 

[biostud]

Even though there's lots of prestige in having first placed in your country, this project is an international gathering. All major industrialized countries are working together on it.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: loic2003

Of course, but he wasn't the FIRST which is what I stated. He wasn't even born when the first balloons were flying. I'm not sure how you think this is proving me wrong in any way. Lets take a look at some ballooning achievements since you like talking about them:

1783: First Balloon flight (Montgolfier Bros) --
First Hydrogen-filled balloon flight (Jacques Charles)
First Human Balloon Flight (Montgolfier Bros)
fine. I'll give you the first lighter than air flight, but you're trying VERY hard to pretend that lighter than air travel is even close to the same as powered flight, or that it had the same impact. It simply did not

1784: First POWERED balloon (Jean Meusnier)
First Balloon Flight by a woman (Madame Thible) [I'm sorry, but putting a different set of sexual organs in a balloon isn't a scientific achievement]

1794: First Military use of the Balloon (Jean Marie Coutelle)

Originally posted by: So
Like I said. Credit where credit is due.

😉 Seems to me you were just spouting the most well known name when it came to balloons to try and downplay the fact that you were wrong. The above were all French, incidentally.

As for the first powered flight, well many disagree that the Wright brothers were the first for numerous reasons. Firstly, it wasn't entirely self powered: their aircraft required a catapult and headwind in order to get off the ground.

Secondly, there were other flights which arguably achieved what the Wright borthers set out to achieve before them. One such example is that of Clément Ader in 1890:

...The Zeppelins were powered as well, of course, but the first powered heavier-than-air flight took place in 1890 (Clement Ader, steam engine on bat-winged monoplane, 60 yards). The Wrights' 1903 flight (300 yards) was the first photographed heavier-than-air flight.

Argue all you want, but practical lighter than air flight belongs to the Zeppelin family, and heavier than air flight for nontrivial duration was developed by the writghts.

Richard Pearce and Karl Jatho are also arguably the first people to fly.
The wrights QUICKLY had a completely self launched aircraft, and they were the first to apply modern controls, to powered flight, as well as go a nontrivial distance

[the Concorde] was a marginally cool plane

Way to downplay one of man's greatest achievements! Where else can you see an example of an aircraft that can cruise at supersonic speeds with the occupant dressed in regular clothing (ie not suits just shy of a space suit). What other aircraft could fly for hours at supersonic speeds, land and then be back in the air in the blink of an eye? Of course the Concorde was based on previous research, as all development is (car designers don't start from scratch when building a new car, they use ideas that have previously been used and develop them).
Are you even familiar with the XB-70 project? The US more or less passed the europeans the research. The plane is STRIKINGLY farmiliar. Again, don't get me wrong, but the Concorde was far from soley a french achievement

See what japan came up with ealrier this week.

And it's great stuff, but the TGV has been around for over two decades. The network is extensive and highly efficient. A true dream to use. Have you ever used it?

Anyhoo.... I don't really know where you were going, or even if you actualy had some kind of a point to add. It did seem like you were simply trying to start some kind of argument behind your excessively rose-tinted specs just for the hell of it (isn't that the definition of a troll?), but either way I'm done wasting my valuable time in this thread.
Okay. And it seems to me, that you are niggling over TINY claims to parts of achievments and then claiming that france AS A NATION is entirely responsible for powered flight, when the achievement belongs to individuals, and many of the ones you cite, to individuals from other countries

:beer:

 

[Doggiedog]

Even though its in France, its still good news.