France sounds like an awesome country

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: ElFenix
too bad it's full of french people

Could be worse, could be full of Texans.😉

texas: it's bigger than france

And I'll take quantity over quality any day :thumbsup:

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Number1
Their people don't die in emergency rooms because they don't have health insurance like in the US.

No system is perfect, quit bitching.

One of the most common things you hear against socialized medicine that is complete bs. Completely made up. Thanks.

Made up or not, how is that an argument against socialized medicine?

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: jadinolf

Originally posted by: ChaoZ
I was watching Sicko and the things it says is crazy. Free house-call medical services. Minimum of 5 weeks vacation, even for part-timers. Unlimited sick days (if I heard correctly). And the government fvck1ng does your laundry too...

Wonderful country.

Move there.

I love this response. Don't like it? Leave. Don't try to change it, don't try to debate it, don't protest it, just leave. And these assholes call themselves patriots.

No, he's pointing out that deep down, ChaoZ really does not believe it's a better country or else he'd already be there or making plans to get there.

Get it?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Number1
Their people don't die in emergency rooms because they don't have health insurance like in the US.

No system is perfect, quit bitching.

Spoken like an someone who isn't familiar with the US healthcare system. Emergency rooms cannot turn people down just because they don't have health insurance.

 

[ChaoZ]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: jadinolf

Originally posted by: ChaoZ
I was watching Sicko and the things it says is crazy. Free house-call medical services. Minimum of 5 weeks vacation, even for part-timers. Unlimited sick days (if I heard correctly). And the government fvck1ng does your laundry too...

Wonderful country.

Move there.

I love this response. Don't like it? Leave. Don't try to change it, don't try to debate it, don't protest it, just leave. And these assholes call themselves patriots.

No, he's pointing out that deep down, ChaoZ really does not believe it's a better country or else he'd already be there or making plans to get there.

Get it?

I never said it was. Was just pointing out that they got it good in terms of health care and vacation time. Oh, and getting people to do your laundry too :laugh:

 

[91TTZ]

if you like it so much why don't you marry it

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: jadinolf

Originally posted by: ChaoZ
I was watching Sicko and the things it says is crazy. Free house-call medical services. Minimum of 5 weeks vacation, even for part-timers. Unlimited sick days (if I heard correctly). And the government fvck1ng does your laundry too...

Wonderful country.

Move there.

I love this response. Don't like it? Leave. Don't try to change it, don't try to debate it, don't protest it, just leave. And these assholes call themselves patriots.

No, he's pointing out that deep down, ChaoZ really does not believe it's a better country or else he'd already be there or making plans to get there.

Get it?

He never said it's a better country. He said their healthcare rocks. Has it come to the point where you can't even admire another country without being called anti-American?

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Number1
Their people don't die in emergency rooms because they don't have health insurance like in the US.

I was thinking, this guy can't be American cause otherwise he'd know that nobody is refused service at the ER.....even people without insurance or illegal immigrants.
*checks the poster's profile*
*confirms poster is talking out of ass and taking a cheap shot at the country which he has an insecurity complex about*

:thumbsup:

My apology, I read up on it.

"In 1986 the United States Congress passed what became known as the Federal Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA or the "Act"). This Act is also known as the "anti-dumping" statute. Prior to the 1986 law, there was no requirement on the part of hospitals to treat everyone who came to the emergency room and, in many states, the hospital was not liable for damages caused by the hospital''s refusal to treat a patient. A hospital could choose not to treat a patient who did not have insurance or enough money to pay for the required medical treatment. Sometimes patients would die or suffer serious injuries as the result of a transfer or delay in treatment. To prohibit such patient dumping, Congress enacted the antidumping provisions of the EMTALA. "

Millions of americans have no medical coverage and are at risk of loosing everything they own if they get sick.

I prefer our Canadian system here. We pay our taxes ang get free universal health care. There are waiting lists but at least we can all get the treatment we need.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
if you like it so much why don't you marry it

Could have ended on page one if this had been the second post in the thread.

 

[everman]

Originally posted by: Number1

I prefer our Canadian system here. We pay our taxes ang get free universal health care.

Generally when you pay for something it isn't considered free. just fyi

 

[txrandom]

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: Number1

I prefer our Canadian system here. We pay our taxes ang get free universal health care.

Generally when you pay for something it isn't considered free. just fyi

TINSTAAFL

 

[Skotty]

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: Skotty
I prefer the USA, but I would love to have more time off like they supposedly do in France. I also admire that most of their power is nuclear, they have high speed trains, and that they have the balls to take on and finish awesome projects like supersonic civil transport (Concorde) and the fusion ITER project. Meanwhile, the USA leaves such projects unfinished or wafers on them constantly (often due to cost concerns), making other countries look technically superior in the long run.

Obviously because the I in ITER means France.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER#Participants

Currently there are seven national and supranational parties participating in the ITER program: China, the European Union (EU), India, Japan, Russia, South Korea, and the USA. Portugal, a member of the EU, aims to include Brazil in the project via an agreement celebrated between the governments of both countries.

The USA dropped out of the ITER project some years ago and later rejoined as only a minor contributor. Meanwhile, as far as I know, France has always been a strong supporter and contributor. That's what I get annoyed about with the USA -- can't be trusted to see things through.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Number1
I prefer our Canadian system here. We pay our taxes ang get free universal health care. There are waiting lists but at least we can all get the treatment we need.

I'd rather have less wait time and more competent doctors and better quality care. In the end, that's the most important thing.

I've never heard of an American going to Canada for healthcare, whereas it happens all the time in reverse. And there are private healthcare groups popping up all over the place now in Canada to give people who want to pay more a higher level of service than what the state provides the option to. The government there tried to ban them and failed. We'll see what happens as your better doctors and nurses start leaving the public sector for the more profittable private sector and care only gets worse.

And, as I said, it IS available to anyone down here. There is no excuse for not having medical coverage. A typical family of four can get coverage for $35 a week.....many people pay more for cable television than that. Medical expenses above 7.5% of your income are also tax deductible.

There are some major problems with American healthcare right now, but they are all cost related and can be fixed. The problems with the Canadian system can't get better and are going to steadily, gradually, and irrevocably get worse.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: Skotty
I prefer the USA, but I would love to have more time off like they supposedly do in France. I also admire that most of their power is nuclear, they have high speed trains, and that they have the balls to take on and finish awesome projects like supersonic civil transport (Concorde) and the fusion ITER project. Meanwhile, the USA leaves such projects unfinished or wafers on them constantly (often due to cost concerns), making other countries look technically superior in the long run.

Obviously because the I in ITER means France.

And they shut down the Concorde last year.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: savoyboy

Originally posted by: Number1
Their people don't die in emergency rooms because they don't have health insurance like in the US.

No system is perfect, quit bitching.

in the U.S. it's illegal for hospitals to refuse service in the ER to anybody, health insurance or not.

in emergency situations only.

Oh please, go down to any ER and you will see plenty people without emergency situations. You know well and good the hospital isn't going to turn them down.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: txrandom

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: Number1

I prefer our Canadian system here. We pay our taxes ang get free universal health care.

Generally when you pay for something it isn't considered free. just fyi

TINSTAAFL

"TANSTAAFL"

 

[bdude]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: savoyboy

Originally posted by: Number1
Their people don't die in emergency rooms because they don't have health insurance like in the US.

No system is perfect, quit bitching.

in the U.S. it's illegal for hospitals to refuse service in the ER to anybody, health insurance or not.

in emergency situations only.

Oh please, go down to any ER and you will see plenty people without emergency situations. You know well and good the hospital isn't going to turn them down.

People packed like sardines in an ER is not the way healthcare should work.

 

[KMFJD]

The Canadian system is not all it's cracked up to be, in fact in some areas of Canada it is just horrible.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: fireandicefuel
healthcare is fundamental to our survival

Yea...we humans have been on the brink of extinction because of lack of healthcare for thousands of years :roll:

Healthcare is a luxury service, not a fundamental right.

 

[ChaoZ]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: fireandicefuel
healthcare is fundamental to our survival

Yea...we humans have been on the brink of extinction because of lack of healthcare for thousands of years :roll:

Healthcare is a luxury service, not a fundamental right.

Since when did the right to live become a luxury? Without adequate healthcare, I'm pretty sure the average life span would go down.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: ChaoZ

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: fireandicefuel
healthcare is fundamental to our survival

Yea...we humans have been on the brink of extinction because of lack of healthcare for thousands of years :roll:

Healthcare is a luxury service, not a fundamental right.

Since when did the right to live become a luxury? Without adequate healthcare, I'm pretty sure the average life span would go down.

Health insurance =/= "right to live"


And for all you pro-universal healthcare advocates, where are you going to find the new doctors to treat all these new patients who can't wait to use and abuse the system? Are you going to plant magic doctor seeds in the ground and grow them? Maybe the magic doctor fairy will create new doctors and nurses. :roll:

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Number1
We pay our taxes ang get free universal health care. There are waiting lists but at least we can all get the treatment we need.

one of these things is not like the others, one of these things does not belong

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: ChaoZ

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: fireandicefuel
healthcare is fundamental to our survival

Yea...we humans have been on the brink of extinction because of lack of healthcare for thousands of years :roll:

Healthcare is a luxury service, not a fundamental right.

Since when did the right to live become a luxury? Without adequate healthcare, I'm pretty sure the average life span would go down.

The right to live is not a luxury, but health care to prolong life past it's natural termination is.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Number1
I prefer our Canadian system here. We pay our taxes ang get free universal health care. There are waiting lists but at least we can all get the treatment we need.

I'd rather have less wait time and more competent doctors and better quality care. In the end, that's the most important thing.

I've never heard of an American going to Canada for healthcare, whereas it happens all the time in reverse. And there are private healthcare groups popping up all over the place now in Canada to give people who want to pay more a higher level of service than what the state provides the option to. The government there tried to ban them and failed. We'll see what happens as your better doctors and nurses start leaving the public sector for the more profittable private sector and care only gets worse.

And, as I said, it IS available to anyone down here. There is no excuse for not having medical coverage. A typical family of four can get coverage for $35 a week.....many people pay more for cable television than that. Medical expenses above 7.5% of your income are also tax deductible.

There are some major problems with American healthcare right now, but they are all cost related and can be fixed. The problems with the Canadian system can't get better and are going to steadily, gradually, and irrevocably get worse.

The fact is that millions of people in the US are whitout access to health care or are in a position to loose everything because of an illness. Here in Canada I have the peace of mind to know that no mater what hapen, I will get the medical treatment that I need. Sure there are problems here but look at what hapenned in the US at Martin Luther King Jr.-Harbor Hospital recently where a woman died in the emergency room because they simply refused to treat her.

We have a more compasionate aproach to health care here. You get sick, you get treated period. No questions asked.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

The right to live is not a luxury, but health care to prolong life past it's natural termination is.

remember, what we really want is medical care, not health care. we want a system whereby there is a pill or surgery to fix everything. if we wanted health care we'd stop smoking, stop eating bacon, and exercise, etc. and the doctors have done as much as possible over the last century to convince us that they are where to turn when you have a health problem.

Originally posted by: Number1

We have a more compasionate aproach to health care here. You get sick, you get treated period. No questions asked.

it'd be nice if the US stopped subsidizing everyone else's medical care systems just so you all can see how fscked you are without our messed up system.