FOXNews version of the US Casualty list

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Vaerilis
The page says "Fallen heroes". Weren't they just unlucky soldiers serving the army? Is every victim a hero?

They were men and women that felt an obligation to serve their country from evil. They died defending the American ideal that all men are created equal, so yes they are heroes; even if the commies in California don't think so.

PhillyTim is 200 American lives too much to pay for the liberation of millions of people as well as their systematic slaughter for dissenting with the current regime(some getting burried in mass graves of thousands).

How many American lives did we give up to save the Jews, gypsies and homosexuals in Europe? Don't tell me that a Jews life is more important than an Iraqi or a Kurd.

IMHO, anyone who supports WW1 and WW2 and doesn't support the liberation of Iraq are racist bigots

Oh so who is to determine there is humanitarian crisis? You who sit on your butt and watch FoxNews all day? Or UN?
May be USA can work on it's human right issue first?

Heck even the ADL knows that Amnesty International is biased and has an agenda

Heck and we are to trust ADL and you are not biased and have an agenda?

That's the whole problem with your arguement on going to war based on Human right issue, who should be the judge?

The Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is the world's leading organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry.

So the ADL say the AI is biased when it reports something that goes against the people of Israel, the Jews? And it is a supporter of Jews. So, where does the bias lie?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

To keep this OT party going . . . some of you actually need to read The Communist Manifesto so you can contribute somewhat informed thoughts instead some BS they heard from Rush or a blurb on the USSR at Heritage.

But let us have done with the burgeois objections to Communism.

We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class, is to rasie the proletariat to the position of ruling class, to win the battle of democracy (my emphasis not Engels).
The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degrees, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, ie., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total of productive forces as rapidly as possible.
Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of the burgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.
These measures will of course be different in different countries.
Nevertheless in the most advanced coutries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

1) Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2) A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3) Abolition of all right of inheritance.
4) Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5) Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6) Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7) Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation fo waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8) Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9) Combination of argiculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
10) Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. combination of education with industrial production, &c., &c.

When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organised power of one class for oppressing another. If the proletariat during its contest with the bourgeoisie is compelled, by the force of circumstances, to organise itself as a class, if, by means of a revolution, it makes itself the ruling class, and , as such, sweeps away by force the old conditions of production, then it will, along with these conditions, have swept away the conditions for the existence of class antagonisms and of classes generally, and will thereby have abolished its own supremacy as a class.
In place of the old bourgeois society, with its classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an association, in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all.

The Commmunist Manifesto
Karl Marx
Friedrich Engels

 

[maXroOt]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
To keep this OT party going . . . some of you actually need to read The Communist Manifesto so you can contribute somewhat informed thoughts instead some BS they heard from Rush or a blurb on the USSR at Heritage.

But let us have done with the burgeois objections to Communism.

We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class, is to rasie the proletariat to the position of ruling class, to win the battle of democracy (my emphasis not Engels).
The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degrees, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, ie., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total of productive forces as rapidly as possible.
Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of the burgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.
These measures will of course be different in different countries.
Nevertheless in the most advanced coutries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

1) Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2) A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3) Abolition of all right of inheritance.
4) Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5) Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6) Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7) Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation fo waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8) Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9) Combination of argiculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
10) Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. combination of education with industrial production, &c., &c.

When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organised power of one class for oppressing another. If the proletariat during its contest with the bourgeoisie is compelled, by the force of circumstances, to organise itself as a class, if, by means of a revolution, it makes itself the ruling class, and , as such, sweeps away by force the old conditions of production, then it will, along with these conditions, have swept away the conditions for the existence of class antagonisms and of classes generally, and will thereby have abolished its own supremacy as a class.
In place of the old bourgeois society, with its classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an association, in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all.

The Commmunist Manifesto
Karl Marx
Friedrich Engels

thank you atleast someone isnt giving iggnorant viewpoints

 

[shuan24]

oh yeah? well, two legs good, four legs baaaaaaad!