FoxNews posts results of poll.

[kage69]

rofl, that left wing lovefest, distributed by moveon.org, shows op-ed pieces from hannity, O'reilly, etc. and passes them off as news The only sound bites from the actual news shows are to mislead the viewer.

Ayup, typical reply from your kind: slander, attack the source not the facts, and then top with a dare I say liberal amount of generalization! Bravo!
Doesn't sound like you've seen it at all, and I say that as someone who couldn't give a fvck less what Jeanine Gerafalo thinks.

Is there anything specific in OutFoxed you'd like to take issue with, or are you comfortable in regurgitating the creatively vague talking points you heard on Rush?

I seriously think that the Libs like kage69 just flat out don't get it

Well normally I'd get a little bent out of shape of being labeled a "Lib," but then I added your post count to the rest of your heavily biased take on FOX and realized you just really don't know what you're talking about. Sorry, but like I said:

Nah I don't think so...

:laugh:

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: OrByte
No, actually it has more to do with burnout. You see, 'libs' are tired of doing your thinking for you, arguing against you, and presenting facts that are ignored. If you choose to think Fox news is unbiased, then fine. After all the information out there, the documentaries, the news articles (even articles presented IN THIS VERY THREAD) if you fail to see the lack of journalistic integrity in FOX news broadcasts, then nothing that anyone here says will make you know any differently. And part of me doesn't even blame folks like you or daveymark, you obviously had access to poor education. What we are working on here is basic critical thinking skills and reasoning skills (something I got in grade school,) something that people like daveymark or jediyoda just plainly lack.

It is burnout. People that actually THINK are tired of the intellectual blackhole of the Fox sheeple, I know I am. My only regret is that there are soo many of you, the sheeple. Thankfully, there is hope that the apathetic are finally waking up.

Ironic, considering that such a small amount of critical thinking skills are needed to understand that op-ed shows are not news shows, yet garbage like "Outfoxed", backed and distributed by liberals, emphatically tries to "prove" otherwise with second grade camera tricks.

Notice that no one has posted ONE vidcap of a news anchor reporting with right wing bias.

Of course, rather than taking to task my challenge, it's much easier to thumb your elitist nose - at those who might have a different viewpoint - under the guise of intellectual superiority.

for towing the party line.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: kage69


Ayup, typical reply from your kind: slander, attack the source not the facts, and then top with a dare I say liberal amount of generalization!

Oh, you mean like attacking Fox News channel, anyone that watches it and anyone that links anything to Fox News channel? Pot, meet kettle....

 

[kage69]

for towing the party line.

for you too, as that's an impressive balancing act of your own if you're really trying to pass off everything that vid covers as being encompassed by "camera tricks" and various sound bytes.

You keep ranting about vid clips; ok, any of dozens shown in OutFoxed you want to take issue with, or have you just not seen it? As a conservative-leaning centrist with a history of voting Republican, I found over 90% of OutFoxed quite damning and at times downright infuriating - so stop trying to frame this as some 'liberal movement.'
And speaking of assumptions, enough with the equating of criticism towards FOX as support for other news outlets. FOX isn't the sole offender on journalism, just the most egregious - and the word 'biased' doesn't come close in summing that up.

 

[kage69]

Oh, you mean like attacking Fox News channel, anyone that watches it and anyone that links anything to Fox News channel? Pot, meet kettle....

Hardly. I think criticism based on actual history and footage isn't the rabid partisan attack you wish it was. Sounds like you have some issues with FOX's credibility as well, although for different reasons than myself I think...

Why would I attack anyone that watches it? I watch it myself, often in fact, as I've found that's the best way to witness how FOX censors main stories and details for it's audience, to say nothing of their twisting and warping the English language to suit their needs.


Sorry, no kettles here...

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: kage69
You keep ranting about vid clips

nope, I keep ranting about the lack of them.

once again, you need to come up with a single vid clip of a fox news anchor reporting on the news with right wing bias. You're the one making the claims that fox news is biased, therefore the onus is on you to provide proof.

It can't be any easier , right?- you've seen "Outfoxed" likely more times than once, you've found over 90% of it damning, so pick a clip -any clip, as the whole thing is split into 7 parts on youtube - that contains a news anchor stating something with right wing bias, and post it here.

You continue to moan about the bias of Fox News - so back up your words with some facts.

This might not be an easy task, so I've come up with a few helpful pointers:


-Call up one of the blowhards on Airhead America and ask them, on the air, what specific fox news anchor has reported with a right wing bias. Be sure to include your voting history as an introduction to who you are.

-Go to one of the numerous left wing sites you enjoy parroting - get in touch with crooksandliars, moveon, thinkprogress, or any one of the other extremist left wing sites and request their help.

-Record an actual fox news show yourself (gasp! the horror!)



Good Luck.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: kage69
You keep ranting about vid clips

nope, I keep ranting about the lack of them.

once again, you need to come up with a single vid clip of a fox news anchor reporting on the news with right wing bias. You're the one making the claims that fox news is biased, therefore the onus is on you to provide proof.

It can't be any easier , right?- you've seen "Outfoxed" likely more times than once, you've found over 90% of it damning, so pick a clip -any clip, as the whole thing is split into 7 parts on youtube - that contains a news anchor stating something with right wing bias, and post it here.

You continue to moan about the bias of Fox News - so back up your words with some facts.

This might not be an easy task, so I've come up with a few helpful pointers:


-Call up one of the blowhards on Airhead America and ask them, on the air, what specific fox news anchor has reported with a right wing bias. Be sure to include your voting history as an introduction to who you are.

-Go to one of the numerous left wing sites you enjoy parroting - get in touch with crooksandliars, moveon, thinkprogress, or any one of the other extremist left wing sites and request their help.

-Record an actual fox news show yourself (gasp! the horror!)



Good Luck.

The Problem is FNC is full of Ultra Right Winged Biased Commentary and Shows so it's easy to confure the olitte new they broadcast as being biased.

 

[WiseOldDude]

Well I would expect nothing from a news organization that caters only to neocons, who tune in when ever they can to get their fix of neocon propaganda. That's why its called Faux News.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: kage69
You keep ranting about vid clips

nope, I keep ranting about the lack of them.

once again, you need to come up with a single vid clip of a fox news anchor reporting on the news with right wing bias. You're the one making the claims that fox news is biased, therefore the onus is on you to provide proof.

It can't be any easier , right?- you've seen "Outfoxed" likely more times than once, you've found over 90% of it damning, so pick a clip -any clip, as the whole thing is split into 7 parts on youtube - that contains a news anchor stating something with right wing bias, and post it here.

You continue to moan about the bias of Fox News - so back up your words with some facts.

This might not be an easy task, so I've come up with a few helpful pointers:


-Call up one of the blowhards on Airhead America and ask them, on the air, what specific fox news anchor has reported with a right wing bias. Be sure to include your voting history as an introduction to who you are.

-Go to one of the numerous left wing sites you enjoy parroting - get in touch with crooksandliars, moveon, thinkprogress, or any one of the other extremist left wing sites and request their help.

-Record an actual fox news show yourself (gasp! the horror!)



Good Luck.

At this point I think it is fairly obvious that you wouldn't be able to recognize nor understand the evidence even if it was hanging off your nose.

so whatever.

 

[palehorse]

I'm still waiting to see someone step up to Davey's challenge and post an actual news anchor at Fox dishing out biased news.

FNC is not my primary source of information, so I couldn't really care less what is said about them; but, I'd still like to see someone respond to this challenge.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
I'm still waiting to see someone step up to Davey's challenge and post an actual news anchor at Fox dishing out biased news.

FNC is not my primary source of information, so I couldn't really care less what is said about them; but, I'd still like to see someone respond to this challenge.

Why PH? it is a stupid and fallacious challenge.

Daveymarks challenge suffers because it is a fallacy of composition. He knows as well as I do that the Fox "straight" news segments and anchors are tailored to fit more with reporting the facts like most of the mainstream media. But where he fails in his logical argument is that since the anchors are playing it straight, then the rest of the the FOX broadcast must be playing it straight as well. That is fallacious reasoning. You cannot assign the characteristics of the part, to the sum of the whole, in this case, the legitimate straight news being reported to the entire Fox Broadcasting. Plus, we ALL know that is not true based on the overwhelming evidence of shady editing and loaded captioning, among other things.

So why do you think it is such a worthwhile challenge? DO you suffer from the same illogical and fallacious reasoning as Daveymark? The more Daveymark pushes for his dumb little challenge, the more it is apparent that his intellectual growth is indeed stunted.

Figure it out Daveymark; I tried to use the smallest words I could.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

They'll still be too big.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
I'm still waiting to see someone step up to Davey's challenge and post an actual news anchor at Fox dishing out biased news.

FNC is not my primary source of information, so I couldn't really care less what is said about them; but, I'd still like to see someone respond to this challenge.

Maybe if you and Davey would have clicked on any of the 3/4 dozen of links that I posted....you wouldn't have to wait any longer.

There are screen caps of Jane Skinner (Fox NEWS (not opinion) anchor) discussing how the Dems are killing bipartisanship (as if there was any left after the Repubs practically administered many mortal wounds).

There are stories where Fox News had to publicly apologize for making eroneous quotes and attributing them to Kerry.

There is a story where Gregg Jarrett (once again..."news" anchor not opinion pusher) is asking if the Dems have forgotten the lessons of 9/11.

Here's another quote from one of the links:

Martha MacCallum on Thursday (Nov. 9, 2006) kept up the news channel's attacks on Democrats, claiming terrorists are dancing in the streets over Democratic congressional victories and wrongly accusing Democrats of being against all wiretapping for national security purposes.

On the "Live Desk," MacCallum also presented guests who claimed, without any Democratic rebuttal, that Democrats have no legislative agenda.

When did Martha MacCallum become another of the opinion pushers instead of a "news" anchor? And here is a little pre-emptive bio from Foxnews.com before you even try to spin her role:

FoxNews.com bio

Martha MacCallum joined FOX News Channel (FNC) in January 2004. MacCallum hosts "The Live Desk with Martha MacCallum," an afternoon news program and is a member of the "FOX News Live" team.

I don't expect any of you clamoring for examples to take any of these as proof because...well....they debunk your entire argument. But there is your proof regardless.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: OrByte
Daveymarks challenge suffers because it is a fallacy of composition. He knows as well as I do that the Fox "straight" news segments and anchors are tailored to fit more with reporting the facts like most of the mainstream media. But where he fails in his logical argument is that since the anchors are playing it straight, then the rest of the the FOX broadcast must be playing it straight as well.

That was not my impression at all. I see Davey's remarks as meaning that the news is straight; but he, like everyone else, acknowledges that the commentary and op-ed segments lean to the right.

The same can be said of CNN... just in the opposite direction, of course.

He is rebutting the accusations that the Left loves to make, which is that the actual news on Fox is biased, when that is clearly not the case. After all, the Left cannot cite a single example of an actual news anchor trying to dish out biased news.

Most of this problem probably stems from the fact that the line between news and opinion has blurred on every channel -- not just FNC.

All of this is irrelevant anyways... for the last time: anyone who uses a single source for their information is a moron...

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: OrByte
Daveymarks challenge suffers because it is a fallacy of composition. He knows as well as I do that the Fox "straight" news segments and anchors are tailored to fit more with reporting the facts like most of the mainstream media. But where he fails in his logical argument is that since the anchors are playing it straight, then the rest of the the FOX broadcast must be playing it straight as well.

That was not my impression at all. I see Davey's remarks as meaning that the news is straight; but he, like everyone else, acknowledges that the commentary and op-ed segments lean to the right.

The same can be said of CNN... just in the opposite direction, of course.

He is rebutting the accusations that the Left loves to make, which is that the actual news on Fox is biased, when that is clearly not the case. After all, the Left cannot cite a single example of an actual news anchor trying to dish out biased news.

Most of this problem probably stems from the fact that the line between news and opinion has blurred on every channel -- not just FNC.

All of this is irrelevant anyways... for the last time: anyone who uses a single source for their information is a moron...

You still perpetuate the fallacy that since apparently no "news anchor" is "dishing out" biased news then the news must not be biased. I will defer to RightisWrong's post which seemingly rebuffs your theory head on.

I read Daveys remarks different from you. Maybe he can enlighten us. If he is in agreement that Fox News Broadcasting spins to the right, then Ill back off, I might even consider his IQ level to be marginally higher than where I have him pegged at right now.

But in reading his challenge, I feel that he is attempting to argue that since the straight news is reported by anchors objectively, then Fox Broadcasting is objective. And that is a fallacy.

I totally agree that the lines between news and commentary are not only blurred, they are lost...especially in the case of FOX. CNN and NBC are running a tight race for second.

 

[daveymark]

rofl, amazing what folks like orbyte will read into a statement.

The first statement I made in this thread was in response to the following statement made by ztadmin:

"you can certainly say Fox's anchors are biased."

In response, I stated:.

"pffft, fox's news anchors aren't biased. Give me ONE vidcap of a news anchor spouting right wing bias. "

all of my statements afterwards were in relation to the original statement made by ztadmin: "fox news anchors are biased." I said nothing about the bias of commentary shows or pundits, nor did I say, or imply, anything about Fox Broadcasting as a whole. Hence the word "fox news anchors" in virtually every statement I made when asking for a vid clip.

Is orbyte the only one who read too much into that? Obviously I was referring to fox news anchors and nothing else. It doesn't take much of an IQ to see how straightforward that simple statement is. A 4th grade student can easily comprehend that statement; why can't orbyte?

Orbyte, do I need to form an analogy in simpler terms for you to understand? perhaps an "apples and oranges", kindergarten level analogy?

I don't mind spoon feeding you if it'll help you. Just try not to drool while I do it.

Would anyone else like to discuss this? Conversing about this issue with orbyte is like trying to get the attention of a child with downs syndrome who is excited about his new yellow helmet.

 

[OrByte]

"once again, you need to come up with a single vid clip of a fox news anchor reporting on the news with right wing bias. You're the one making the claims that fox news is biased, therefore the onus is on you to provide proof. "

The above statement is an argument that you made in your "challenge." In the above statement it is easy to see that you want proof of news anchors biased reporting that will prove the claim that FOX news is biased. One can infer from YOUR STATEMENT that you feel that Fox anchors (and Fox News in relation) are unbiased unless proven TO YOU otherwise. That is what a challenge is all about right?

Unless, you are playing devils advocate...which I strongly suspect you don't even know what that means.

So, which is it? Like I told PH before, if I misread your words then I'll back off. But given the chance to elaborate on your position on Fox's bias/unbias, you haven't said anything, all you attempted to do (and miserably I might add) is to throw up a bad argument in defending Fox news.

oh..Please dont attempt to spoon feed me anything, you might hurt yourself in handling the kitchenware.

 

[kage69]

nope, I keep ranting about the lack of them. blah blah blah...

Translation: I haven't seen OutFoxed (hence my inability to cite any examples) and don't plan on it, Rush's re-heated bile smells good to me! Watch a 60min doc? Hell I'm too lazy to click individual links. Now damn it pretend my question accurately sums up the issue and do my legwork for me!

He is rebutting the accusations that the Left loves to make, which is that the actual news on Fox is biased, when that is clearly not the case. After all, the Left cannot cite a single example of an actual news anchor trying to dish out biased news.

Hey look, someone else who hasn't seen it yet knows what the Left loves to make. :laugh: