How dare those evil Republicans actually expect the president to follow the law!
How dare those evil Republicans actually expect the president to follow the law!
They have been saying for years that Obamacare is an unworkable POS.
Now it turns out they have been right and are saying that Obama cannot illegally rewrite the law at his whim in order to attempt to keep the house-of-cards up.
Where exactly are they being insane?
They have been saying for years that Obamacare is an unworkable POS.
Now it turns out they have been right and are saying that Obama cannot illegally rewrite the law at his whim in order to attempt to keep the house-of-cards up.
Where exactly are they being insane?
The employer mandate has nothing to do with whether or not the ACA is workable. Anyone who has even a basic understanding of the law would know that. Attempting to say an entire law is unworkable because one of many thousands of pieces that is nonessential doesn't work well would be either insane or stupid.
Actually, I shouldn't say or. You could definitely be both.
they did send a plan to senate but that plan is so uncompromising, it basically asking the other side to give up everything yet they themselves make absolutely no concession. I cannot say that plan is any type of serious negotiation or compromise.
if obamacare had been signed into law, rectified as constitutional by the supreme court, I think it's wrong for republican or democrat to use shut down/government default as a tool to circumvent a signed law just because you may not like it. If you don't like a law , challenge it in supreme court OR use the same process that the law was originally signed to override it, that's how it should be done.
The constitution did not design budgetary negotiation to be used as a threat to circumvent a signed law.
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zinfamous
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...and the consequences being the losers acting like children and taking their ball home, after all their friends roundly disagreed with them?
I'm sure that's not what you meant...
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What? What law suit? There was a lawsuit that said FOX news can lie about news?? Wow..
kage69
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Forgive me, I wasn't trying to sound like I was contesting the 2010 elections or the House's role with spending bills, and probably could have worded that better. I'm pretty comfortable with my knowledge of the legislature and it's working though, thanks. I think the reason I made that goof was because the procedural stuff didn't even enter into it. So allow me to clarify:
What I am referring to is this new popular notion among many conservatives that when your party and it's message have been repeatedly rebuked by voters en masse, when you've got a record that would cost you your job anywhere in the private sector, that it all somehow doesn't really mean anything. The petulant behavior that follows is also rather unprecedented. Coincidence, perhaps? That this is happening to Obama, the guy who isn't even American enough to hold the job? Too Muslim maybe? I've never seen any entity lose it's mind and be so willing to make an ideological point by engaging in such self-destructive behavior. Attaining the ability to do so via the normal procedures doesn't really take any of the wtf out of it for me.
No, the GOP is scared shitless of another big issue that could prove them wrong, and have again chosen party over country. Dems largely supported Bush in his debt limit increases, even when they had no shortage of reasons to disagree with the man. They also knew when to give up and wait until the next election when something they wanted wasn't going to work out. Dems get it apparently.
But let's not talk about that and instead create some new language to describe what the GOP's piss fits have given us. Reminds me of those heady pre-Invasion days in 2003.
Fox the Cheerleader started not to like the term "sniper," too negative and grim for the airwaves, better to use "sharp shooters" instead.
Carlin, as usual, was right.
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The lie machine's been upgraded:
http://gizmodo.com/why-is-the-fox-news-room-full-of-absurdly-giant-ipads-1442048017
It looks like a futuristic classroom for special needs students. Normal students of the future wear Google Glass.
http://gizmodo.com/why-is-the-fox-news-room-full-of-absurdly-giant-ipads-1442048017
It looks like a futuristic classroom for special needs students. Normal students of the future wear Google Glass.
What's funny is that you could say the exact opposite: the Senate sent a plan to the House, but the House wouldn't fund the government because they wanted to attack the ACA.
Engineer
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The outrage in the first post of this thread seems out of place since even CNN calls this a "partial shutdown."
Fern
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So, your on the record as saying that the employer mandate is nonessential.
Got it.
Fern
Fern
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That's exactly how they designed it. There's a reason taxing/spending power lies with the the House of Reps.
Oh, and it wouldn't be "circumventing" the law. "Delaying", Modifying" and other number of other terms could be used, but not circumventing. To use a presidential decree and announce it simply wouldn't be enforced would be circumvention.
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