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Fox dispels some myths about healthcare

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
If nothing else, Limbaugh and Fox news better watch their ass, because Obama has a very good sense for debunking many of their sloganeering arguments.

In today's news conference, Obama directly addressed why a public plan option is one of the options we should have. And pointed out that if private health care plans are the best, not only can people opt to stay with those private health care plans, and if the private health care claims are to be believed, they should be able to be more cost effective than any government plan. But as everyone knows, private health care plans have always flunked at managing costs because the more heath care costs, the more money sticks to their hands, and have also excelled at evading or delaying payment. And dropping all but the super healthy. Making mangled care a moniker they have earned.

And with that kind of Obama make his case directly to the American people with sound reasoning, any entity that does not have a well thought out case to make, are going to find their arguments DOA discredited.
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No he doesn't. He lies through his teeth to get stupid people to listen. It's completely bogus and chicago politics. What he's going to do is take away any tax incentive private health insurance has to FORCE people into the public system because well obviously it's cheaper.

You have to remember how obama works to see what he's really saying.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Marlin1975


The dentist office my mom works at had to hire another person just to do all the paper work and deal with the BS from insurance companies.
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You can thank government for that right there. It's all the hoops they have to jump through. Also medicare had some pretty good reform under Clinton so what you describe doesn't happen anymore because of the per beneficiary limits.
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No it was mostly as the insurnace companies would deny something and the office would have to resend it, follow up, refax, etc... Let alone their paper work wopudl chang mid year so if you were filling on the old and it was caught in the middle of a chang you have to resubmit etc...
 
Originally posted by: Marlin1975

No it was mostly as the insurnace companies would deny something and the office would have to resend it, follow up, refax, etc... Let alone their paper work wopudl chang mid year so if you were filling on the old and it was caught in the middle of a chang you have to resubmit etc...
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It's government/state regulation that dictates all those changes and procedures.

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I worked at an insurance company a while back. They struggled out the wazoo to keep up with everything mandated by law and it changed regularly.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
If nothing else, Limbaugh and Fox news better watch their ass, because Obama has a very good sense for debunking many of their sloganeering arguments.

In today's news conference, Obama directly addressed why a public plan option is one of the options we should have. And pointed out that if private health care plans are the best, not only can people opt to stay with those private health care plans, and if the private health care claims are to be believed, they should be able to be more cost effective than any government plan. But as everyone knows, private health care plans have always flunked at managing costs because the more heath care costs, the more money sticks to their hands, and have also excelled at evading or delaying payment. And dropping all but the super healthy. Making mangled care a moniker they have earned.

And with that kind of Obama make his case directly to the American people with sound reasoning, any entity that does not have a well thought out case to make, are going to find their arguments DOA discredited.
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Medicare and Medicaid arent exactly worth writing home about. They shift their costs onto the provider and sometimes dont pay at all, leaving the provider stuck with the bill.

Perhaps we need to realize the level of care we are demanding costs more than we are willing to pay? Regardless of who is footing the bill? Obama talks about reucing costs while telling us everybody is welcome on the plan regardless of pre-existing conditions. How is he going to make that one work? The current plan appears to cost nearly 10,000 per person. That is an increase over the current avg cost per person. How is that cheaper?

I think this is going to be a very complex and politcal issue. I am very wary of anybody wanting to jam this through in a Summer session.
 
Those are the same straw dogs put forth by the right wing wacko's time and time again.
and they are debunked time and time again.
what foxnews does is to just keep repeating lies so uneducated or lazy morons believe its true because they've seen it more than once.

sort of like the Bill O'reilly lie he repeats every year at christmas.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Lemon law
If nothing else, Limbaugh and Fox news better watch their ass, because Obama has a very good sense for debunking many of their sloganeering arguments.

In today's news conference, Obama directly addressed why a public plan option is one of the options we should have. And pointed out that if private health care plans are the best, not only can people opt to stay with those private health care plans, and if the private health care claims are to be believed, they should be able to be more cost effective than any government plan. But as everyone knows, private health care plans have always flunked at managing costs because the more heath care costs, the more money sticks to their hands, and have also excelled at evading or delaying payment. And dropping all but the super healthy. Making mangled care a moniker they have earned.

And with that kind of Obama make his case directly to the American people with sound reasoning, any entity that does not have a well thought out case to make, are going to find their arguments DOA discredited.
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No he doesn't. He lies through his teeth to get stupid people to listen. It's completely bogus and chicago politics. What he's going to do is take away any tax incentive private health insurance has to FORCE people into the public system because well obviously it's cheaper.

You have to remember how obama works to see what he's really saying.
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such as?

 
Originally posted by: Marlin1975


such as?
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Obama has regularly spouted off some of these myths in his sales pitch. As you can see they are completely false at worst and completely misleading and disingenuous at best.
 
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Lemon law
If nothing else, Limbaugh and Fox news better watch their ass, because Obama has a very good sense for debunking many of their sloganeering arguments.

In today's news conference, Obama directly addressed why a public plan option is one of the options we should have. And pointed out that if private health care plans are the best, not only can people opt to stay with those private health care plans, and if the private health care claims are to be believed, they should be able to be more cost effective than any government plan. But as everyone knows, private health care plans have always flunked at managing costs because the more heath care costs, the more money sticks to their hands, and have also excelled at evading or delaying payment. And dropping all but the super healthy. Making mangled care a moniker they have earned.

And with that kind of Obama make his case directly to the American people with sound reasoning, any entity that does not have a well thought out case to make, are going to find their arguments DOA discredited.
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No he doesn't. He lies through his teeth to get stupid people to listen. It's completely bogus and chicago politics. What he's going to do is take away any tax incentive private health insurance has to FORCE people into the public system because well obviously it's cheaper.

You have to remember how obama works to see what he's really saying.
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such as?
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Oh I don't know, here's a good start:

How about his scare tactics about how if we didn't pass the stimulus bill ASAP, then unemployment would skyrocket higher than 8%.

Oops, the stimulus was passed, and we're at 9.4% and rising higher...
 
Originally posted by: techs
Those are the same straw dogs put forth by the right wing wacko's time and time again.
and they are debunked time and time again.
what foxnews does is to just keep repeating lies so uneducated or lazy morons believe its true because they've seen it more than once.

sort of like the Bill O'reilly lie he repeats every year at christmas.
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:laugh: techs

5 of the 9 points are backed up with info from the CBO report.

The CBO are "right wing wackos" now?

😕
 
Bottom line... most people who don't have health insurance do not prioritize insurance or are too lazy to go sign up for needs based programs.

I made 22k a year in pittsburgh while in grad school... my wife made about another 5k or so until our son was born. We woulda qualified for government sponsored healthcare help as it turns out but we paid for our own insurance for the first year or two without much financial difficulty... we just trimmed in other areas.

Once we had our first son the PA CHIPS program actually picked up the health insurance tab for our entire family, not just our son... and they picked all the copay for my wife and son as well.

Most all states have similar programs
 
George Will has an excellent editorial from the 21st. I've excerpted part of it:

"Although 70 percent of insured Americans rate their health-care arrangements good or excellent, radical reform of health care is supposedly necessary because there are 45.7 million uninsured. That number is, however, a "snapshot" of a nation in which more than 20 million working Americans change jobs every year. Many of them are briefly uninsured between jobs. If all the uninsured were assembled for a group photograph, and six months later the then-uninsured were assembled for another photograph, about half the people in the photos would be different.


Almost 39 percent of the uninsured are in five states ? Florida, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California, all of which are entry points for immigrants. About 21 percent ? 9.7 million ? of the uninsured are not citizens. As many as 14 million are eligible for existing government programs ? Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP, veterans' benefits, etc. ? but have not enrolled. And 9.1 million have household incomes of at least $75,000 and could purchase insurance. Those last two cohorts are more than half of the 45.7 million.

As you can see, the "real" number of permanently uninsured is quite low. That needs to be addressed, but nationalizing our healthcare industry simply is not the way to go.

 
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Lemon law
If nothing else, Limbaugh and Fox news better watch their ass, because Obama has a very good sense for debunking many of their sloganeering arguments.

In today's news conference, Obama directly addressed why a public plan option is one of the options we should have. And pointed out that if private health care plans are the best, not only can people opt to stay with those private health care plans, and if the private health care claims are to be believed, they should be able to be more cost effective than any government plan. But as everyone knows, private health care plans have always flunked at managing costs because the more heath care costs, the more money sticks to their hands, and have also excelled at evading or delaying payment. And dropping all but the super healthy. Making mangled care a moniker they have earned.

And with that kind of Obama make his case directly to the American people with sound reasoning, any entity that does not have a well thought out case to make, are going to find their arguments DOA discredited.
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No he doesn't. He lies through his teeth to get stupid people to listen. It's completely bogus and chicago politics. What he's going to do is take away any tax incentive private health insurance has to FORCE people into the public system because well obviously it's cheaper.

You have to remember how obama works to see what he's really saying.
Click to expand...

such as?
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Oh I don't know, here's a good start:

How about his scare tactics about how if we didn't pass the stimulus bill ASAP, then unemployment would skyrocket higher than 8%.

Oops, the stimulus was passed, and we're at 9.4% and rising higher...
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Don't forget NAFTA!

Or Taxing Health Benefits...
 
it came from fox news. the end. that's all i needed to know to make sure whether it was from a credible source or not... and it is not.
 
Originally posted by: eits
it came from fox news. the end. that's all i needed to know to make sure whether it was from a credible source or not... and it is not.
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Here we see the prototypical leftist. The facts as others have mentioned come largely from the CBO. If the same report had come from MSNBC, would that then give it more credence?
 
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: eits
it came from fox news. the end. that's all i needed to know to make sure whether it was from a credible source or not... and it is not.
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Here we see the prototypical leftist. The facts as others have mentioned come largely from the CBO. If the same report had come from MSNBC, would that then give it more credence?
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That is what lefties do when they dont like what they see. Either attempt to censor it, or pretend it doesn't exist or is invalid.
 
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: senseamp
So Fox puts up some strawman "myths" and heroically tears them down, what else is new?
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If the CBO is your strawman then I guess so.
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Myth: ?Government-run universal health care would increase the international competitiveness of U.S. companies.?

The Congressional Budget Office disagrees.

?Replacing employment-based health care with a government-run system could reduce employers? payments for their workers? insurance, but the amount that they would have to pay in overall compensation would remain essentially unchanged,? the CBO says. ?Cash wages and other forms of compensation would have to rise by roughly the amount of the reduction in health benefits for firms to be able to attract the same number and types of workers.?
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Pass UHC, get a raise 🙂
 
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: OCguy
Dont bring facts into the healthcare debate. It will scare off the Michael Moore sheep.
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I know, the whole double-digit inflation thing is a total red herring, those are liberal numbers. 9.555% isn't double-digits.

I wish these commie homofags would just give up and stop whining.
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9.555...= 9.556
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No it's not actually. 9.5559 with a bar over just the nine is equal to 9.556.
 
Originally posted by: techs
Those are the same straw dogs put forth by the right wing wacko's time and time again.
and they are debunked time and time again.
what foxnews does is to just keep repeating lies so uneducated or lazy morons believe its true because they've seen it more than once.

sort of like the Bill O'reilly lie he repeats every year at christmas.
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Look... very few people think the healthcare system in our country is perfect.

But a huge change in the insurance provider/payer system is going to have a profound impact on our national budget as well as cause quite a fracas in the medical system itself.

When the smoke clears and the facts are on the table We are really talking about less than 10% of the US population here (closer to 5% really) that can't afford PPO health insurance and don't qualify for government assistance.

There are other means by which we can reduce healthcare costs... for starters we can reign in marketing expenditures (balance the field so to speak) by health insurance companies, medical systems, and pharma/biotech, etc.

The marketing overhead of these companies plays a rather larger role in the overall cost of healthcare.
 
Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

Look... very few people think the healthcare system in our country is perfect.

But a huge change in the insurance provider/payer system is going to have a profound impact on our national budget as well as cause quite a fracas in the medical system itself.

Win the smoke clears and the facts are on the table We are really talking about less than 10% of the US population here (closer to 5% really) that can't afford PPO health insurance and don't qualify for government assistance.

There are other means by which we can reduce healthcare costs... for starters we can reign in marketing expenditures (balance the field so to speak) by health insurance companies, medical systems, and pharma/biotech, etc.

The marketing overhead of these companies plays a rather larger role in the overall cost of healthcare.
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So go back to how it was and they can't advertise so freaking much. Every other commercial is some kind of drug. I forgot what law changed but they couldn't run TV adds or something like that.
 
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