The other good thing to come of this thread is that is is clear that some of the staunch Neocons in here are looking ahead on how they will come to terms of no longer having their Fearless Liar in power come this January. :thumbsup:
<NO sarcasm>Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: Harvey
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I spent a good bit of time putting a longer, more detailed reply together, above. Since your system's back scrolling capabilities seem to be disabled, I will repost it here, just for you. You don't have to thank me (although I graciously accept all gratuities). I'm always glad to help someone with faulty hardware.
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<sarcasm> Sorry Harvey, I forgot about the highly opinionated Bush Haters. That or maybe I just don't have time to respond to their formatted driveling talking points.</sarcasm>
Either way, I heard you the first time. You are entitled to believe what you want to believe.
I don't usually take up a lot of forum space reposting entire quote strings, but in this case, thanks for the opportunity to repost the list. Those are not "talking points;" they're facts, and until you're able to refute them, you're just blowing smoke.
I don't "hate" Bushwhacko as a human being. As a matter of fact, as an individual, I think he's rather pathetic. Unfortunately, as President, he and his administration are also dangerous to both the U.S. and the world.
I do hate everything he stands for, and I hate the way he tries to cloak it in "patriotism" and his religious beliefs. Most of all, I hate the thought of how much destruction four more years of his administration will mean to our Consititutional freedoms, our economy, our environment, and our nation's moral and ethical standing in the world.
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Well said Harvey. I also am tired of hearing one thing from the administraion when the exact opposite seems to be what you can expect. He and most of his supporters are just hypocites in my eyes. They obviosly will do and say anything to continue their failed policies.
So we should elect Kerry simply because he's not the incumbent? Ooooooook...
I hate to tell you, but electing Kerry or Bush is not going to affect a 'dramatic shift in leaders' - when you look at it in the grand scheme of things, they're very similar.
Nor am I Bush, but I'm not qualified to run the country either.Originally posted by: Harvey
No, but one of the many reasons to elect Kerry is, he's not Bush.
Thanks for that update. That means I don't have to feel bad about not voting for you for President, either.
Your signature says it all - the educated approach is best.Originally posted by: Harvey
Thanks for that update. That means I don't have to feel bad about not voting for you for President, either.
I'm amazed how much we agree. Considering the consequenses of re-electing Bushwhacko, if roadkill were the only option, it would, in fact, be the educated, informed choice. :laugh:
CycloWizard:
You are significantly more qualified to be President than Bush. And that's the scary part.
I'm trying to imagine William F. Buckley gleefully voting for Bush.
-Robert
You are significantly more qualified to be President than Bush. And that's the scary part.
I'm trying to imagine William F. Buckley gleefully voting for Bush.
-Robert
I'd vote for you over Bush, CycloWizard- you're not a proven failure in that capacity, and you haven't wasted hundreds of billions, or gotten anybody killed that I know of...
i think you bring up a good point. bush doesnt seem very well respected in the rest of the world and, as superficial as it might be, if kerry is more well-liked and can keep and hold the coalition or make it stronger than...who knows what could happen?
this is, of course, a giant mess and the truth of the matter is no one will win. period. no matter what happens, i cant see too much good coming out of this. i hope that the author is correct and that there is some sort of payoff for the Iraqi people when all is said and done.
Once again, you suppose that your opinion is fact. I'd like to know who the last president was that didn't lose any US soldiers in combat. I'd also like to know who the last US president who didn't 'waste hunderds of billions' was. News flash - that's our government at work, and voting for Kerry won't change that, regardless of how much you might like to think it will.
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Originally posted by: Harvey
I don't usually take up a lot of forum space reposting entire quote strings, but in this case, thanks for the opportunity to repost the list. Those are not "talking points;" they're facts, and until you're able to refute them, you're just blowing smoke.
I don't "hate" Bushwhacko as a human being. As a matter of fact, as an individual, I think he's rather pathetic. Unfortunately, as President, he and his administration are also dangerous to both the U.S. and the world.
I do hate everything he stands for, and I hate the way he tries to cloak it in "patriotism" and his religious beliefs. Most of all, I hate the thought of how much destruction four more years of his administration will mean to our Consititutional freedoms, our economy, our environment, and our nation's moral and ethical standing in the world.
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In the context of the op, I really don't care how you feel about our current President. Nor do I feel the need to refute how you feel . How about you actually read the damn thing and comment on it. That is ,afterall, why I posted it...
Yeah, c'mon Harvey. We don't want you to comment on how you feel. We want you to comment about how Mr Derfner feels.
From the OP:
Of course the problem with the Neocon approach is that the neocons themselves are Evil Manipulators and also that they have no use for democracy. Those two paradoxes are prime examples why their ideas are so idiotic.
The OP author's mistake is that his approach of letting the Republicans clean up their own mess is immoral. It is time for a grown up and sane approach.
Of course the problem with the Neocon approach is that the neocons themselves are Evil Manipulators and also that they have no use for democracy. Those two paradoxes are prime examples why their ideas are so idiotic.
The OP author's mistake is that his approach of letting the Republicans clean up their own mess is immoral. It is time for a grown up and sane approach.
From Mega Works-
"bloodshed, bloodshed, bloodshed plz! Leave that to the Iraqis to decide their faith, don't try to dictate terms. It's their country not yours."
Which is precisely why I opposed the invasion in the first place. At the moment, however, I think we're stuck in the "You broke it, you bought it" scenario. The Iraqis were previously in the position of being able to defend themselves from their neighbors as required, which is no longer the case, thanks to us...
Take it easy, CycloWizard- I know I pissed you off in the other thread- don't have to carry it with you everywhere...
"bloodshed, bloodshed, bloodshed plz! Leave that to the Iraqis to decide their faith, don't try to dictate terms. It's their country not yours."
Which is precisely why I opposed the invasion in the first place. At the moment, however, I think we're stuck in the "You broke it, you bought it" scenario. The Iraqis were previously in the position of being able to defend themselves from their neighbors as required, which is no longer the case, thanks to us...
Take it easy, CycloWizard- I know I pissed you off in the other thread- don't have to carry it with you everywhere...
In the context of the op, all you had to do was read the first line of my first post in this thread. I read your op, and I was undewhelmed by it. I though I was especially concise by referring to your subtitle for the thread. You asked
to which I replied
I then proceeded to list facts, not "talking points," that were my reasons for my statement.
I really don't care what you feel about what I feel about Bushwhacko, or what you feel you feel about it. All I know is, if he's re-elected, I'm going to feel pretty sick about the prospects for the future of our country.
What makes you think, from what I posted, that I'm riled? And how did you piss me off in the other thread? You'd have to throw something harder than a strawman or a red herring at me to piss me off.
I just love this post... Being a Bush supporter and a Christian. I see great potential here.
There is a verse in the Bible that best describes this entire post.
"A house divided will fall"
Very much like John Kerry portrays himself, so do many of you. Nobody can agree on the same thing between two people in this post.
With all the Kerry supporters in here arguing amongst themselves I can't wait until Nov 02.
There is a verse in the Bible that best describes this entire post.
"A house divided will fall"
Very much like John Kerry portrays himself, so do many of you. Nobody can agree on the same thing between two people in this post.
With all the Kerry supporters in here arguing amongst themselves I can't wait until Nov 02.
Why there's no discussion among the Republicans, or Bush supporters or even among the Christian Right? About Iraq, about Bush leadership, about whether staying the course or changing is better?
I mean, come on, if you say you want to stay the course for the sake of staying the course because it's right thing to do, that's just stupid. I mean, it seems to me many on the right want to support Bush just for the sake of having him staying in power longer. Where's the discussion (if not outright opposition)?
Remember, the bible also contain verses about wisdom and self-examination
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