found a handgun in a miata!

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: joshsquall
The fear of guns in this thread is hilarious.

I don't think it's the fear of the gun itself but the high likelihood of a criminal involved in the transaction. Who knows what that gun was used for.

I'd imagine most people would walk away if the person you're dealing with is carrying a gun and is not a law enforcement officer. It's just bad news no matter how you look at it. Better safe than sorry. IMHO.

Why is law enforcement so qualified to be carrying a gun over a regular citizen?

I'm a gun-nut, but I'd be little worried over a handgun in the glove compartment as well. Not from an afraid of the gun standpoint, but of a person who is careless enough to leave one in the car while a stranger takes it for a spin. Was the owner with you the whole time? Was it loaded? You didn't touch it without gloves on did you? Now he's going to go kill someone with your prints all over it.

Seriously, the gun fear in this thread is crazy. All of my cars have guns in them. A handgun somewhere in the passenger compartment and a rifle in the trunk\bed.

That said, I would never turn a car over to someone that had firearms in it. That's just ridiculous. In fact, I'd never just turn a car over to someone.

But all of you people who are like, "OMG GUN = BAD GUY" are sad.

 

[Nitemare]

good thing you didn't notice the dead body in the trunk...

I take it you were buying it for your daughter or your gay son...

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: joshsquall
The fear of guns in this thread is hilarious.

I don't think it's the fear of the gun itself but the high likelihood of a criminal involved in the transaction. Who knows what that gun was used for.

I'd imagine most people would walk away if the person you're dealing with is carrying a gun and is not a law enforcement officer. It's just bad news no matter how you look at it. Better safe than sorry. IMHO.

Why is law enforcement so qualified to be carrying a gun over a regular citizen?

I'm a gun-nut, but I'd be little worried over a handgun in the glove compartment as well. Not from an afraid of the gun standpoint, but of a person who is careless enough to leave one in the car while a stranger takes it for a spin. Was the owner with you the whole time? Was it loaded? You didn't touch it without gloves on did you? Now he's going to go kill someone with your prints all over it.

Seriously, the gun fear in this thread is crazy. All of my cars have guns in them. A handgun somewhere in the passenger compartment and a rifle in the trunk\bed.

That said, I would never turn a car over to someone that had firearms in it. That's just ridiculous. In fact, I'd never just turn a car over to someone.

But all of you people who are like, "OMG GUN = BAD GUY" are sad.

Here, having a gun anywhere in the car is illegal, unless it's unloaded and in a case. I think it might have to be in the trunk as well, not sure.

Would you buy something from someone who was openly commiting a felony?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: joshsquall
The fear of guns in this thread is hilarious.

I don't think it's the fear of the gun itself but the high likelihood of a criminal involved in the transaction. Who knows what that gun was used for.

I'd imagine most people would walk away if the person you're dealing with is carrying a gun and is not a law enforcement officer. It's just bad news no matter how you look at it. Better safe than sorry. IMHO.

Why is law enforcement so qualified to be carrying a gun over a regular citizen?

I'm a gun-nut, but I'd be little worried over a handgun in the glove compartment as well. Not from an afraid of the gun standpoint, but of a person who is careless enough to leave one in the car while a stranger takes it for a spin. Was the owner with you the whole time? Was it loaded? You didn't touch it without gloves on did you? Now he's going to go kill someone with your prints all over it.

Seriously, the gun fear in this thread is crazy. All of my cars have guns in them. A handgun somewhere in the passenger compartment and a rifle in the trunk\bed.

That said, I would never turn a car over to someone that had firearms in it. That's just ridiculous. In fact, I'd never just turn a car over to someone.

But all of you people who are like, "OMG GUN = BAD GUY" are sad.

i am all for legal responsible people carrying a gun. hell i think more people should carry.


BUT lets be real. the odds on a guy who has one in a glove box is not going to be one that should have it.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: Canai
Here, having a gun anywhere in the car is illegal, unless it's unloaded and in a case. I think it might have to be in the trunk as well, not sure.
Would you buy something from someone who was openly commiting a felony?

Here, it is legal to transport a loaded firearm, unlocked, in a closed compartment in an automobile (glove compartment, etc). Why do you automatically assume it is unlawful (especially a felony) where the OP resides? Nebor is right about rampant (and senseless) gun fear.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: joshsquall
The fear of guns in this thread is hilarious.

I don't think it's the fear of the gun itself but the high likelihood of a criminal involved in the transaction. Who knows what that gun was used for.

I'd imagine most people would walk away if the person you're dealing with is carrying a gun and is not a law enforcement officer. It's just bad news no matter how you look at it. Better safe than sorry. IMHO.

Why is law enforcement so qualified to be carrying a gun over a regular citizen?

I'm a gun-nut, but I'd be little worried over a handgun in the glove compartment as well. Not from an afraid of the gun standpoint, but of a person who is careless enough to leave one in the car while a stranger takes it for a spin. Was the owner with you the whole time? Was it loaded? You didn't touch it without gloves on did you? Now he's going to go kill someone with your prints all over it.

Seriously, the gun fear in this thread is crazy. All of my cars have guns in them. A handgun somewhere in the passenger compartment and a rifle in the trunk\bed.

That said, I would never turn a car over to someone that had firearms in it. That's just ridiculous. In fact, I'd never just turn a car over to someone.

But all of you people who are like, "OMG GUN = BAD GUY" are sad.

i am all for legal responsible people carrying a gun. hell i think more people should carry.


BUT lets be real. the odds on a guy who has one in a glove box is not going to be one that should have it.

Where would you store it in the car?

 

[Throckmorton]

A gun in a Miata is pretty strange.

 

[misle]

In Missouri, it is legal to carry a gun in you car. You can have it anywhere in your car. Glove box, under your seat, etc. No permit needed. If you are leaving a firearm in the car, the glove box is probably the only place that can be locked.

Wisconsin and Illinois are the only states that do not allow conceal carry permits at all.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
A gun in a Miata is pretty strange.

But Thuper

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Canai

Here, having a gun anywhere in the car is illegal, unless it's unloaded and in a case. I think it might have to be in the trunk as well, not sure.

Would you buy something from someone who was openly commiting a felony?

In your state. We don't know about where the OP lives.

 

[Audiotherapy]

^ california

Carrying And Transportation In Vehicles:
It is unlawful to carry a loaded rifle, shotgun, or handgun in any public place or on any public street in an incorporated area or an area where firing a firearm is prohibited.

Exceptions include:

* Persons shooting on target ranges, or while hunting on the premises of a shooting club.

* A person who reasonably believes that he or his property is in immediate danger and the weapon must be carried for "preservation."

* A person "engaged in the act of making or attempting lawful arrest."

* A person carrying a firearm while at home or at his place of business, including temporary residences and campsites.

Carrying a handgun concealed is prohibited without a license. The law states "Firearms carried openly in belt holsters are not concealed within the meaning of this section."

Carrying a handgun concealed within a vehicle is prohibited without a license. A handgun carried in a glove compartment or under the seat of a vehicle is considered to be concealed. A handgun placed in the trunk of an automobile, or locked in a container in the vehicle other than the utility or glove compartment or while in a locked container carried directly to or from a vehicle is deemed not to be "concealed." A locked container means a fully enclosed secure container locked by a key lock or similar locking device.

Exceptions to this prohibition are:

* Members of clubs organized for practice shooting while on any established target range or going to and from such range.

* Licensed hunters and fishermen while engaged in hunting or fishing and while going to or from such hunting or fishing expeditions and members of an antique or historical collector's club while at a show, or while going to and from a display as long as the weapons are locked in a trunk or are in a locked container.

The guy was early 20's, young lad, living in a upper middle class suburb. I cant think of any reason why he would have a piece in his car.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: audiotherapy
^ california

Carrying And Transportation In Vehicles:
It is unlawful to carry a loaded rifle, shotgun, or handgun in any public place or on any public street in an incorporated area or an area where firing a firearm is prohibited.

Exceptions include:

* Persons shooting on target ranges, or while hunting on the premises of a shooting club.

* A person who reasonably believes that he or his property is in immediate danger and the weapon must be carried for "preservation."

* A person "engaged in the act of making or attempting lawful arrest."

* A person carrying a firearm while at home or at his place of business, including temporary residences and campsites.

Carrying a handgun concealed is prohibited without a license. The law states "Firearms carried openly in belt holsters are not concealed within the meaning of this section."

Carrying a handgun concealed within a vehicle is prohibited without a license. A handgun carried in a glove compartment or under the seat of a vehicle is considered to be concealed. A handgun placed in the trunk of an automobile, or locked in a container in the vehicle other than the utility or glove compartment or while in a locked container carried directly to or from a vehicle is deemed not to be "concealed." A locked container means a fully enclosed secure container locked by a key lock or similar locking device.

Exceptions to this prohibition are:

* Members of clubs organized for practice shooting while on any established target range or going to and from such range.

* Licensed hunters and fishermen while engaged in hunting or fishing and while going to or from such hunting or fishing expeditions and members of an antique or historical collector's club while at a show, or while going to and from a display as long as the weapons are locked in a trunk or are in a locked container.

The guy was early 20's young lad, going to community college. I cant think of any reason why he would have a piece in his car.

Maybe he believes in freedom?

 

[biggestmuff]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: audiotherapy
^ california

Carrying And Transportation In Vehicles:
It is unlawful to carry a loaded rifle, shotgun, or handgun in any public place or on any public street in an incorporated area or an area where firing a firearm is prohibited.

Exceptions include:

* Persons shooting on target ranges, or while hunting on the premises of a shooting club.

* A person who reasonably believes that he or his property is in immediate danger and the weapon must be carried for "preservation."

* A person "engaged in the act of making or attempting lawful arrest."

* A person carrying a firearm while at home or at his place of business, including temporary residences and campsites.

Carrying a handgun concealed is prohibited without a license. The law states "Firearms carried openly in belt holsters are not concealed within the meaning of this section."

Carrying a handgun concealed within a vehicle is prohibited without a license. A handgun carried in a glove compartment or under the seat of a vehicle is considered to be concealed. A handgun placed in the trunk of an automobile, or locked in a container in the vehicle other than the utility or glove compartment or while in a locked container carried directly to or from a vehicle is deemed not to be "concealed." A locked container means a fully enclosed secure container locked by a key lock or similar locking device.

Exceptions to this prohibition are:

* Members of clubs organized for practice shooting while on any established target range or going to and from such range.

* Licensed hunters and fishermen while engaged in hunting or fishing and while going to or from such hunting or fishing expeditions and members of an antique or historical collector's club while at a show, or while going to and from a display as long as the weapons are locked in a trunk or are in a locked container.

The guy was early 20's young lad, going to community college. I cant think of any reason why he would have a piece in his car.

Maybe he believes in freedom?

Not if he lives in Cali.

 

[SwiftWind]

regardless of whether guns are bad or not, its irresponsible to leave it in the glovebox when showing your car to potential buyers.

 

[ViviTheMage]

I test drove a BMW a year or so ago, the guy had a handgun sitting in the drivers side door little pocket..........he said he was in the army when I asked about it. Made sense,a s he was getting deployed, so he didn't need the car.

 

[FDF12389]

There is a gun in my glove box too, the clip is out of it and its case because I live in WI, but its there.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Frankly, I would also be a little wary of taking a whole bunch of cash to a meeting with a wankster stranger that you KNOW drives around with a concealed weapon AND is too stupid to take it out of the car before showing it.

There are plenty of other Miatas out there that don't require you to deal with gun-toting wanksters. Besides, do you really think a douchebag like that took good car of the car?

Ignorance or sarcasm? My meter is broken.

You'd buy a car from someone who keeps a handgun in their car? Here, that's a felony.

all in your perspective i spose... here its pretty standard. i have one in my truck right now. i dont carry it into work at all tho, it will negate any insurance if anything does happen and i use it. i do carry it everywhere else however. and when i sell my cadillac, you can be assured it will be close by also.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Males buy miatas?

Yeah, and it doesn't make their penises smaller, either. IMAGINE THAT! :laugh: :roll:

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Frankly, I would also be a little wary of taking a whole bunch of cash to a meeting with a wankster stranger that you KNOW drives around with a concealed weapon AND is too stupid to take it out of the car before showing it.

There are plenty of other Miatas out there that don't require you to deal with gun-toting wanksters. Besides, do you really think a douchebag like that took good car of the car?

Ignorance or sarcasm? My meter is broken.

You'd buy a car from someone who keeps a handgun in their car? Here, that's a felony.

It's a crime in CA where the OP is too (unless the owner has a CPL, but that's unlikely in CA due to draconian restrictions), but it's not everywhere. It's completely legal here in WA to carry a loaded handgun in a car if you have a concealed pistol license (CPL) (it is NOT legal to have a loaded rifle in a car). Here in WA I would have no problem at all buying a car from someone who kept a handgun in the glovebox. I would have a problem with that person leaving it in the glovebox for someone else's test drive though since the test driver probably does not have a CPL and would be in massive legal trouble if he were pulled over for anything.

ZV

 

[hiromizu]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Frankly, I would also be a little wary of taking a whole bunch of cash to a meeting with a wankster stranger that you KNOW drives around with a concealed weapon AND is too stupid to take it out of the car before showing it.

There are plenty of other Miatas out there that don't require you to deal with gun-toting wanksters. Besides, do you really think a douchebag like that took good car of the car?

Ignorance or sarcasm? My meter is broken.

You'd buy a car from someone who keeps a handgun in their car? Here, that's a felony.

all in your perspective i spose... here its pretty standard. i have one in my truck right now. i dont carry it into work at all tho, it will negate any insurance if anything does happen and i use it. i do carry it everywhere else however. and when i sell my cadillac, you can be assured it will be close by also.

Well think of it as a perspective from 90% of the rest of modern industrialized, civilized communities in this world : )

Where I come from (Japan), a real gun is truly a rare sight. Most police officers don't even carry them and is generally illegal for civilians to own/operate them. Very few criminals have access as well. Police officers are also trained to shoot to injure and only when shot upon.

That said, I live in the states and have learned to enjoy the occasional shooting for recreational purposes and understand the reasoning behind owning them for self defense but I doubt I would ever understand the mentality of arming general civilians for the purposes of promoting a safer and more peaceful community.

The way I see it, the more guns you pump into society whether into the right hands or not, someone unlawful or careless will get a hold of it and use it to his/her advantage. With a stricter laws in place, it makes it that much harder to get a hold of one.

I think that guns are a powerful device that can be used to inflict serious damage at a safe distance with little effort. With a knife or some other non projectile weapon, you'd think a lot harder at attacking someone since you must close a distance.

Thoughts?

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Frankly, I would also be a little wary of taking a whole bunch of cash to a meeting with a wankster stranger that you KNOW drives around with a concealed weapon AND is too stupid to take it out of the car before showing it.

There are plenty of other Miatas out there that don't require you to deal with gun-toting wanksters. Besides, do you really think a douchebag like that took good car of the car?

Ignorance or sarcasm? My meter is broken.

You'd buy a car from someone who keeps a handgun in their car? Here, that's a felony.

all in your perspective i spose... here its pretty standard. i have one in my truck right now. i dont carry it into work at all tho, it will negate any insurance if anything does happen and i use it. i do carry it everywhere else however. and when i sell my cadillac, you can be assured it will be close by also.

Well think of it as a perspective from 90% of the rest of modern industrialized, civilized communities in this world : )

Where I come from (Japan), a real gun is truly a rare sight. Most police officers don't even carry them and is generally illegal for civilians to own/operate them. Very few criminals have access as well. Police officers are also trained to shoot to injure and only when shot upon.

That said, I live in the states and have learned to enjoy the occasional shooting for recreational purposes and understand the reasoning behind owning them for self defense but I doubt I would ever understand the mentality of arming general civilians for the purposes of promoting a safer and more peaceful community.

The way I see it, the more guns you pump into society whether into the right hands or not, someone unlawful or careless will get a hold of it and use it to his/her advantage. With a stricter laws in place, it makes it that much harder to get a hold of one.

I think that guns are a powerful device that can be used to inflict serious damage at a safe distance with little effort. With a knife or some other non projectile weapon, you'd think a lot harder at attacking someone since you must close a distance.

Thoughts?

i think having your populace armed isnt necessarily for safer neighborhoods, but more to keep the govt in check. that was the whole purpose for the armed militia anyway, along with patrolling the borders and protecting our lands. if the govt here did go to the way side and make it to where insurrection was a reality, how would the populace defend itself? right, it wouldnt. currently gun laws apply to only law abiding citizens, criminals everywhere will find what they need and shouldnt have. i bet even where you were from you may not have seen them but they were there just the same. im still a proponent of "an armed society is a polite society", but mainly due to me seeing it in person. it works. people it doesnt work on dont last too long in the grand scheme of things anyway, and arent really a global impact on the theory. i do agree that arming the general public is a mistake. there are people that are suited for carrying weapons and those that can not handle it. i carry a knife and a gun, as well as a back up knife. in a close quarter situation, i will use my fists/ knife before ill pull a gun, just not enough time or space usually in those situations.

 

[FDF12389]

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Frankly, I would also be a little wary of taking a whole bunch of cash to a meeting with a wankster stranger that you KNOW drives around with a concealed weapon AND is too stupid to take it out of the car before showing it.

There are plenty of other Miatas out there that don't require you to deal with gun-toting wanksters. Besides, do you really think a douchebag like that took good car of the car?

Ignorance or sarcasm? My meter is broken.

You'd buy a car from someone who keeps a handgun in their car? Here, that's a felony.

all in your perspective i spose... here its pretty standard. i have one in my truck right now. i dont carry it into work at all tho, it will negate any insurance if anything does happen and i use it. i do carry it everywhere else however. and when i sell my cadillac, you can be assured it will be close by also.

Well think of it as a perspective from 90% of the rest of modern industrialized, civilized communities in this world : )

Where I come from (Japan), a real gun is truly a rare sight. Most police officers don't even carry them and is generally illegal for civilians to own/operate them. Very few criminals have access as well. Police officers are also trained to shoot to injure and only when shot upon.

That said, I live in the states and have learned to enjoy the occasional shooting for recreational purposes and understand the reasoning behind owning them for self defense but I doubt I would ever understand the mentality of arming general civilians for the purposes of promoting a safer and more peaceful community.

The way I see it, the more guns you pump into society whether into the right hands or not, someone unlawful or careless will get a hold of it and use it to his/her advantage. With a stricter laws in place, it makes it that much harder to get a hold of one.

I think that guns are a powerful device that can be used to inflict serious damage at a safe distance with little effort. With a knife or some other non projectile weapon, you'd think a lot harder at attacking someone since you must close a distance.

Thoughts?

Shoot to injure only when fired upon? That is crazy, I have a hard time believing that is how any police force operates.

And if an individual is unarmed I think its just as easy to kill them with a knife.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: FDF12389

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Frankly, I would also be a little wary of taking a whole bunch of cash to a meeting with a wankster stranger that you KNOW drives around with a concealed weapon AND is too stupid to take it out of the car before showing it.

There are plenty of other Miatas out there that don't require you to deal with gun-toting wanksters. Besides, do you really think a douchebag like that took good car of the car?

Ignorance or sarcasm? My meter is broken.

You'd buy a car from someone who keeps a handgun in their car? Here, that's a felony.

all in your perspective i spose... here its pretty standard. i have one in my truck right now. i dont carry it into work at all tho, it will negate any insurance if anything does happen and i use it. i do carry it everywhere else however. and when i sell my cadillac, you can be assured it will be close by also.

Well think of it as a perspective from 90% of the rest of modern industrialized, civilized communities in this world : )

Where I come from (Japan), a real gun is truly a rare sight. Most police officers don't even carry them and is generally illegal for civilians to own/operate them. Very few criminals have access as well. Police officers are also trained to shoot to injure and only when shot upon.

That said, I live in the states and have learned to enjoy the occasional shooting for recreational purposes and understand the reasoning behind owning them for self defense but I doubt I would ever understand the mentality of arming general civilians for the purposes of promoting a safer and more peaceful community.

The way I see it, the more guns you pump into society whether into the right hands or not, someone unlawful or careless will get a hold of it and use it to his/her advantage. With a stricter laws in place, it makes it that much harder to get a hold of one.

I think that guns are a powerful device that can be used to inflict serious damage at a safe distance with little effort. With a knife or some other non projectile weapon, you'd think a lot harder at attacking someone since you must close a distance.

Thoughts?

Shoot to injure only when fired upon? That is crazy, I have a hard time believing that is how any police force operates.

And if an individual is unarmed I think its just as easy to kill them with a knife.

Police in the US are trained to aim for the center mass and to fire if they are in reasonable and fear for their safety or for the safety of others and if they have a safe shot to take. They are trained to continue shooting until the threat is neutralized.

With shots to the center mass, it is unlikely that an attacker will be killed immediately, but it also makes a miss by the shooter much less likely and in most cases it will stop an attacker.

Shooting with intent to injure is a mistake. It tempts the shooter to take low-percentage shots and in most cases will not neutralize the threat.

ZV

 

[hiromizu]

Yep. Shoot to injure - at most - and you better believe it. I didn't believe it at first either since I kind of grew up here. I guess it's a cultural psychological thing.

Interesting to note, the criminals in Japan generally have a strong guilty conscience and usually are very cooperative with the police. The police also strongly believe in justice and will do as much as possible to bring criminals in for questioning instead of simply shooting them in self defense. To the Japanese victims and the police force, it's a hell of a lot more satisfying that way so it works both ways. There's also the fact that it's virtually impossible to escape the police so they tend to give in easier.

Because of this as well as preventing scrutiny from civilians and other reasons, many police officers do not carry guns as they feel it is unnecessary and the chances of bystanders getting hit are high. They do have SWAT teams when necessary and they respond extremely quick. A simple black stick and handcuffs are all they need.

Also interesting to note is that it's actually difficult to join the police force there.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: hiromizu
I don't think it's the fear of the gun itself but the high likelihood of a criminal involved in the transaction. Who knows what that gun was used for.

I'd imagine most people would walk away if the person you're dealing with is carrying a gun and is not a law enforcement officer. It's just bad news no matter how you look at it. Better safe than sorry. IMHO.

Guns are pretty worthless for anything except for shooting bullets. So I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this is what it's used for.