Fossil fuel industry and utilities seek to slow down growth of home-based solar power

shira

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Ah, yes, that same patriotic fossil fuel industry that sponsors "research" in climate denia . . . , er, . . . climate change wants to slow down the growth of home-based solar power generation. What a surprise. And power utilities see a threat, too. But I'm sure there must be some other explanation other than self interest.

On a positive note, conservatives legislators have so far been the most resistant to initiatives to either outlaw or make more expensive "net metering" (the practice of giving credits to customers who provide their excess solar-produced electricity to the grid).

Still, don't expect those threatened by home-produced solar power to give up easily.

Sad, very sad.

Three years ago, the nation’s top utility executives gathered at a Colorado resort to hear warnings about a grave new threat to operators of America’s electric grid: not superstorms or cyberattacks, but rooftop solar panels.

SolarCraft workers install solar panels on the roof of a home in San Rafael, Calif. According to a report by the Solar Foundation, the solar industry employs more workers than the coal-mining industry. (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)
If demand for residential solar continued to soar, traditional utilities could soon face serious problems, from “declining retail sales” and a “loss of customers” to “potential obsolescence,” according to a presentation prepared for the group. “Industry must prepare an action plan to address the challenges,” it said.

The warning, delivered to a private meeting of the utility industry’s main trade association, became a call to arms for electricity providers in nearly every corner of the nation. Three years later, the industry and its fossil-fuel supporters are waging a determined campaign to stop a home-solar insurgency that is rattling the boardrooms of the country’s government-regulated electric monopolies.

The campaign’s first phase—an industry push for state laws raising prices for solar customers—failed spectacularly in legislatures around the country, due in part to surprisingly strong support for solar energy from conservatives and evangelicals in traditionally “red states.” But more recently, the battle has shifted to public utility commissions, where industry backers have mounted a more successful push for fee hikes that could put solar panels out of reach for many potential customers.

In a closely watched case last month, an Arizona utility voted to impose a monthly surcharge of about $50 for “net metering,” a common practice that allows solar customers to earn credit for the surplus electricity they provide to the electric grid. Net metering makes home solar affordable by sharply lowering electric bills to offset the $10,000 to $30,000 cost of rooftop panels.

A Wisconsin utilities commission approved a similar surcharge for solar users last year, and a New Mexico regulator also is considering raising fees. In some states, industry officials have enlisted the help of minority groups in arguing that solar panels hurt the poor by driving up electricity rates for everyone else.

“The utilities are fighting tooth and nail,” said Scott Peterson, director of the Checks and Balances Project, a Virginia nonprofit that investigates lobbyists’ ties to regulatory agencies. Peterson, who has tracked the industry’s two-year legislative fight, said the pivot to public utility commissions moves the battle to friendlier terrain for utilities. The commissions, usually made up of political appointees, “have enormous power, and no one really watches them,” Peterson said.

Industry officials say they support their customers’ right to generate electricity on their own property, but they say rooftop solar’s new popularity is creating a serious cost imbalance. While homeowners with solar panels usually see dramatic reductions in their electric bills, they still rely on the grid for electricity at night and on cloudy days. The utility collects less revenue, even though the infrastructure costs — from expensive power plants to transmission lines and maintenance crews — remain the same.

Ultimately, someone pays those costs, said David K. Owens, an executive vice president for Edison Electric Institute, the trade association that represents the nation’s investor-owned utilities.

“It’s not about profits; it’s about protecting customers,” said Owens, said. “There are unreasonable cost shifts that do occur [with solar]. There is a grid that everyone relies on, and you have to pay for that grid and pay for that infrastructure.”

Whether home-solar systems add significant costs to electric grids is the subject of intense debate. A Louisiana study last month concluded that solar roofs had resulted in cost shifts of more than $2 million that must be borne by Louisiana customers who lack solar panels. That study was immediately disputed by clean energy groups that pointed to extensive ties between the report’s authors and the fossil-fuel lobby.

Other studies commissioned by state regulators in Nevada and Mississippi found that any costs are generally outweighed by benefits. For one thing, researchers found, the excess energy generated by solar panels helps reduce the strain on electric grids on summer days when demand soars and utilities are forced to buy additional power at high rates. Other experts note that the shift to solar energy is helping states meet new federal requirements to reduce greenhouse gas emissions while also producing thousands of new jobs. The residential solar industry currently employs about 174,000 people nationwide, or twice as many as the number of coal miners.

“Independent studies show that distributed solar benefits all ratepayers by preventing the need to build new, expensive power plants or transmission lines,” said Matthew Kasper, a fellow at the Energy & Policy Institute, a pro-solar think tank. “Utilities make their money by building big, new infrastructure projects and then sending ratepayers the bill, which is exactly why utilities want to eliminate solar.”

Solar-panel costs plunge

Residential solar panels have been widely available since the 1970s, but advances in the past decade have transformed home solar energy in many areas from an expensive novelty to a cost-competitive alternative to traditional power.

The average price of photovoltaic cells has plummeted 60 percent since 2010, thanks to lower production costs and more-efficient designs. Solar’s share of global energy production is climbing steadily, and a study last week by researchers from Cambridge University concluded that photovoltaics will soon be able to out-compete fossil fuels, even if oil prices drop to as low as $10 a barrel.

In the United States, utilities have embraced solar projects of their own making, building large solar farms that produce nearly 60 percent of the electricity that comes from the sun’s rays.

“We are pro-solar,” said Edison’s Owens. “We are putting in more solar than any other industry.”

But the arrival of cheaper solar technology has also brought an unexpected challenge to the industry’s bottom line: As millions of residential and business customers opt for solar, revenue for utilities is beginning to decline. Industry-sponsored studies have warned the trend could eventually lead to a radical restructure of energy markets, similar to earlier upheavals with phone-company monopolies.

“One can imagine a day when battery-storage technology or micro turbines could allow customers to be electric grid independent,” said a 2013 Edison study. “To put this into perspective, who would have believed 10 years ago that traditional wire line telephone customers could economically ‘cut the cord’?”

Support from conservatives

The utility industry’s playbook for slowing the growth of residential solar is laid out in a few frames of the computer slide show presented at an Edison-sponsored retreat in September 2012, in a lakeside resort hotel in Colorado Springs, Colo. Despite a bland title—“Facing the Challenges of a Distribution System in Transition”—the Edison document portrays solar systems as a serious, long-term threat to the survival of traditional electricity providers.

Throughout the country, it noted, lawmakers and regulatory agencies were “promoting policies that are accelerating this transition — subsidies are growing.” The document, provided to The Washington Post by the Energy & Policy Institute, called for a campaign of “focused outreach” targeting key groups that could influence the debate: state legislatures, regulatory agencies and sympathetic consumer-advocacy groups.

Two-and-a-half years later, evidence of the “action plan” envisioned by Edison officials can be seen in states across the country. Legislation to make net metering illegal or more costly has been introduced in nearly two dozen state houses since 2013. Some of the proposals were virtual copies of model legislation drafted two years ago by the American Legislative Exchange Council, or ALEC, a nonprofit organization with financial ties to billionaire industrialists Charles and David Koch.

Most of the bills that have been considered so far have been either rejected or vetoed, with the most-striking defeats coming in Republican strongholds, such as Indiana and Utah. There, anti-solar legislation came under a surprisingly fierce attack from free-market conservatives and even evangelical groups, many of which have installed solar panels on their churches.

“Conservatives support solar — they support it even more than progressives do,” said Bryan Miller, co-chairman of Sunrun, a California solar provider. “It’s about competition in its most basic form. The idea that you should be forced to buy power from a state-sponsored monopoly and not have an option is about the least conservative thing you can imagine.”

Where legislatures failed to deliver, power companies have sought help from regulatory agencies, chiefly the public utility commissions that set rates and fees that can be charged by electricity providers. Here, the results have been more encouraging for power companies.

Last month’s decision to slap monthly surcharges on solar customers in south-central Arizona was hailed as a breakthrough for the utilities in a state that has turned back several similar attempts in the past two years. The Tempe, Ariz., Salt River Project, one of Arizona’s largest utilities, approved the new fee despite furious opposition from solar users, including about 500 people who packed the commission’s hearing room for the Feb. 26 vote.

Solar companies already have filed suit to stop a similar fee increase approved last year by Wisconsin commissioners, and others are watching closely to see if New Mexico’s Public Service Co. will adopt a proposal to impose a monthly surcharge of up to $35 on solar customers there.

Regulators in each of the three states have cited fairness as the reason for the proposed increases. But solar advocates say the real injustice is the ability of electric monopolies to destroy a competitor that offers potential benefits both to consumers and to society.

“It’s really about utilities’ fear that solar customers are taking away demand,” said Angela Navarro, an energy expert with the Southern Environmental Law Center. “These customers are installing solar at their own cost and providing a valuable resource: additional electricity for the grid at the times when the utilities need it most. And it’s all carbon-free.”
 
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Moonbeam

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In California I think they have already eliminated the potential to sell excess power at a profit. You can only sell back what you use., as I understand the situation. You can't create your own mini solar power company on your roof.
 

Zorkorist

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Solar is far more expensive to create, than the energy it produces.

That it becomes close to affordable is due to Government subsidies.

-John
 

Zorkorist

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It is far more expensive to create solar panels, than the energy they will recover over their lives.

-John
 

Moonbeam

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It is far more expensive to create solar panels, than the energy they will recover over their lives.

-John

I know what you claimed. It is simply wrong. Solar panels are creating more energy then used to produce them since 2010.
 

Zorkorist

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lol, every year, they produce more miniscule amounts of energy.

Moonbeam, someone needs to educate you about what energy is.

"solar power" is no better than you and a magnifying glass.

-John
 

Zorkorist

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Wind power, is just as laughable.

It may, run my blender for a pulse or two.

-John
 

Zorkorist

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Coal, and Nuclear Energy, are what cities run on.

One rapes the planet, and promotes Global Warming, the other produces steam, as a side effect.

-John
 

blastingcap

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Your URL is appreciated. Posting the entire freaking article is not. WaPo relies on things like ads to remain in business.

Also: "While homeowners with solar panels usually see dramatic reductions in their electric bills, they still rely on the grid for electricity at night and on cloudy days."

Here's the thing: people want the grid to fall back on for obvious reasons. That fallback is expensive because it has to cope with the continually-shifting production of power. The grid is expensive to maintain, and the more people go solar, the heavier the burden on those without. Guess who those are? The poor, and often in multifamily buildings (apartments, condos, etc.). It absolutely makes sense to levy a fee of some kind to solar owners.

And I say this as a FAN of solar power! I just happen to also believe in fairness. People have NO IDEA how expensive electric distribution is if you want reliable fallback service, or to deal with local surges in production. For instance if EVERYBODY had solar rooftops, and it's a cloudy day but then a patch of sun breaks through the clouds and hits one neighborhood, that will create a surge of power that isn't trivially easy to dissipate.
 

Genx87

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I believe in another thread about right to work laws would be called free loaders. People who want to sell their excess solar energy to the grid but dont want to pay for the infrastructure of the grid.
 

DCal430

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Coal, and Nuclear Energy, are what cities run on.

One rapes the planet, and promotes Global Warming, the other produces steam, as a side effect.

-John

One also causes nuclear meltdowns, and hundreds of billions in cleanup cost. One also renders land uninhabitable as well.
 

boomerang

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Here's the thing: people want the grid to fall back on for obvious reasons. That fallback is expensive because it has to cope with the continually-shifting production of power. The grid is expensive to maintain, and the more people go solar, the heavier the burden on those without. Guess who those are? The poor, and often in multifamily buildings (apartments, condos, etc.). It absolutely makes sense to levy a fee of some kind to solar owners.

And I say this as a FAN of solar power! I just happen to also believe in fairness. People have NO IDEA how expensive electric distribution is if you want reliable fallback service, or to deal with local surges in production. For instance if EVERYBODY had solar rooftops, and it's a cloudy day but then a patch of sun breaks through the clouds and hits one neighborhood, that will create a surge of power that isn't trivially easy to dissipate.
The thread is young. Let's see if anything you've said sinks in. I think we're going to see some folks clinging to their vast right wing conspiracy in bed with big oil theories. Let's see if those so enamored of science can grasp this little slice of science you've explained to them.
 

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It's great to hear that things are still run as they were in the time of J. P. Morgan and Carnegie, et al. Yes, it is.
 

Moonbeam

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The thread is young. Let's see if anything you've said sinks in. I think we're going to see some folks clinging to their vast right wing conspiracy in bed with big oil theories. Let's see if those so enamored of science can grasp this little slice of science you've explained to them.

I liked what he said. I thought there was sense in it. I want to be able to sell power I generate on my roof as an incentive to invest in it. Suppose my utility bill is 200 dollars a month and I can produce 400 dollars a month worth of electricity. Why should the power company get 400 dollars of my power for the 200 I now get free. In the two hundred I pay a month is the cost of the fuel they burn, some profit for the company, and the overhead. Those costs are probably well known to the utilities regulatory bodies and can be passed on to me, minus the fuel costs I save them. I should be able to share both the overhead costs but also the profit from the extra 200 dollars of power I produce that I don't need.
 

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I suspect the contract you can negotiate will be in line with plants that have co-generation capabilities. You will not being selling your power back at the same rate you buy it at and more than likely have a clause that will require you to pay penalties when you can't produce power at critical (high demand) times. Also you will more than likely be required to install a capacitor bank to ensure that your output doesn't sag when large inductive loads are started near you.
 

Mark R

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There are some difficulties with integrating large amounts of intermittent small-scale generation into a power grid.

On the local level, there are potential problems with voltage regulation. Transformers and voltages are set so that "nominal" voltage is achieved for most of the time, under the normal load. So, if normal load on a transformer is 1000 kW, then the transformer voltage and cables will be selected so that at 1000 kW load, the voltage at the customer end of the cables will be about 120 V. The voltage drop on the cables and in the transformer will be taken into account when selecting the transformer, so you might need a 150 V transformer. If there is a lot of fluctuation, e.g. the minimum load on the transformer is 250 kW, then this will also need to be taken into account, so that the voltage swings from minimum to maximum load stay within the acceptable range.

Let's say that on this neighborhood now adds 750 kW of solar. Now, the possible load fluctuation goes from 1000 kW (peak load + no solar power) to -500 kW (minimum load with maximum solar power). You've doubled the load fluctuation, and need to re-engineer the grid with a lower impedance transformer, and heavier gauge power cables. This has two effects - you've dramatically reduced the amount of energy being drawn off the local grid, and you've dramatically increased the costs of building and maintain that grid. As a result, you have a double-whammy effect increasing the per kWh transport costs within that grid.

On the larger scale there are also problems. The main problems are rate-of-change of demand/generation, side effects of anti-islanding and frequency stability.

Power grids don't store energy, so generation has to be matched to demand. Different types of plants can respond at different rates - nuclear may have a response rate of 5% per hour, coal 30% per hour, combined cycle nat gas, 80% per hour and open cycle nat gas 100% per 5 minutes.

One of the problems with solar is that in Spring and Fall, shutdown of solar generation due to sunset occurs simultaneously with peak demand when people get home from work. This means between the hours of 4pm and 6pm there is a rapid increase in electricity demand, at the same time as there is a rapid drop in solar output. At present, this is barely manageable by CC nat gas plants. By next year, the grid will not be able to cope this this. As a result, open cycle nat gas plants are appearing all over CA - the problem with OC plants is that they least efficient possible method of generating electricity. The second problem is that CC nat gas plants which are very efficient (but very expensive) are not getting built, because the reduced demand means that they will not run enough hours to pay off the capital cost. The net result is that the high-efficiency fossil generation is being replaced by low-efficiency fossil generation.

The other issue is anti-islanding. Small scale generators (and this includes rooftop solar) must not try to power up a de-energised grid for safety reasons. The way that the inverters detect this is to look for grid stability. A big national grid is stable, but a small grid without proper control is unstable - if the inverters see grid instability, electrical code requires them to shut down and go into a safety lock out mode, so they cannot be restarted until stable power comes back. The problem is that if there is a big grid disturbance (like the 2003 NW blackout) then this can trigger a chain reaction by causing small generators to trip-out and lock out. This was a significant contributor to a near nationwide blackout in the UK in 2008 - a simultaneous trip of 2 major power lines caused instability which started a chain reaction of trips on wind farms and rooftop solar - which worsened the instability, and nearly collapsed the entire grid.

The other issue is that of frequency stability. This is not so much of an issue, but it fits in with the stability issue above, because frequency stability is one of the factors that inverters use for detection of islanding. Large generators (i.e. power plants) use synchronous generators - the mechanical rotation of the turbine/generator is magnetically locked to the grid frequency - if the grid frequency increases, all the generators must turn faster, and vice versa. This means that the kinetic energy of the machinery acts to smooth frequency change because kinetic energy must be moved in or out of the rotating mass. At the same time most power plants have "droop" control - if the frequency drops, then they will automatically ramp up power, and if the frequency rises too fast, they will automatically ramp down. Inverters have no moving parts, so there is no inertia to act to smooth out grid frequency. In addition, rooftop solar inverters are designed to maximise income, so they don't normally have a "droop" mode, or it is usually switched off - as a result, there is no response to temporary imbalance in grid supply/demand balance.

All of these costs need to be taken into account, when determining if new generation capacity can be added to a grid. There is an optimal level of different types of renewable, and going above it can cause problems. For example, in CA, optimal level of solar is about 4% - at this level, the peak output from solar nicely matches the ramp up in mid-day demand due to AC. However, by 6% which is where we are now, the result is a big dip in mid-day demand, and a steep ramp up towards the end of the working day. By 8%, there would be a cliff-like drop off near mid-day requiring many high efficiency fossil plants to shut down, and a near vertical ramp up period at 4-6 pm, requiring lots of low-efficiency fossil backup to get over.
 

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All sound technical arguments however if the state's renewable input is far below the technical threshold then it looks more like anti-competitive action by corporations than it does looking out for the stability of the grid. Pretty sure a decent number of the states implementing similar rules are in this camp.

Ultimately renewables must be paired with storage in places with high penetration, which is starting to happen in various forms. With the right systems and cheaper batteries it will be relatively easy to leverage both fixed and EV based storage to cover the gap times better without having to use peaking plants. A number of utilities with significant renewable portfolio requirements are already going down these roads.
 

Jaskalas

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I see no reason to support an energy monopoly.

If people find home-based solar a reasonable expense, then by all means let them do it.
 

Blanky

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Solar is far more expensive to create, than the energy it produces.

That it becomes close to affordable is due to Government subsidies.

-John
The first part is almost certainly untrue. The second part is true.
 

blastingcap

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Ultimately renewables must be paired with storage in places with high penetration, which is starting to happen in various forms. With the right systems and cheaper batteries it will be relatively easy to leverage both fixed and EV based storage to cover the gap times better without having to use peaking plants. A number of utilities with significant renewable portfolio requirements are already going down these roads.

Absolutely. The future of renewables is tightly linked with local storage of energy, EV or otherwise. Even after old EV batteries are no good for EVs anymore, they can be sold cheaply as energy storage devices, which are less demanding than EVs.
 

shortylickens

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I heard a rumor that Rockerfeller was the one to push for Prohibition because he was afraid alcohol would replace petroleum as the standard fuel.
 

DCal430

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We can have renewable and affordable energy. The municipal utility company here has one of the highest rates of renewable power as well as one of the lowest cost in California. This is all without government subsidies.

The utility company is on track to have 37% of its electricity transmitted be renewable by 2020. So it can be done.
 
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