Fortron have bad capacitors

[designit]

Well I saw a thread in OCforum about fortron having bad caps and wanted you all become aware of it. This is not the first time I have heard bad things about Fortron.
if you read the threads you will see Antec had a few of these before but stopped selling them and the new ones are good caps. But Fortron is still keep selling PSU's w/ bad caps.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?p=3978353#post3978353

 

[raildogg]

troll

one thread and one website definately proves it huh :disgust:

and did you just google it so you can say its a bad company? yes, they may have gotten some raw psus but thats extremely rare, but not even close to Antec's or other companies.

my 3 and a half year old Sparkle is still going strong.

you're so correct.

I wonder why millions of Dell customers with FSP Fortrons in their computers all havent exploded in a fiery rage.

lets look at this thread:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=27&threadid=1639397&enterthread=y

bad habits dont go away

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Hello Fortron fanboys. There are too many of you out there.

Realize this:

1) Bluestorms are loud
2) Bluestorms aren't that great in voltage regulation when you compare to OCZ, Enermax, Antec, Seasonic, PC P&C
3) FSP/Sparkle is not #1. They are far from #1, and while great, they aren't godly.

Capacitor problem? I'm sure a lot of PSUs can be categorized in this section if you can read one thread in OCForums.....

 

[Anubis]

my bluestorm produces less noise then my HDDs

 

[EvilRage]

Nominate ban. 3rd strike and he's out.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: Anubis
my bluestorm produces less noise then my HDDs

Ok, well if you read reviews like SPCR....

Bluestorms ramp up in fan speed really fast. By 250W, they're running at 34dB. Seasonics don't even hit 34dB till you hit close to 500W, and run closer to 28dB @ 250W... erk. Loud? Even OCZs or Enermaxes dont ramp up that fast.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: Anubis
my bluestorm produces less noise then my HDDs

Ok, well if you read reviews like SPCR....

Bluestorms ramp up in fan speed really fast. By 250W, they're running at 34dB. Seasonics don't even hit 34dB till you hit close to 500W, and run closer to 28dB @ 250W... erk. Loud? Even OCZs or Enermaxes dont ramp up that fast.

does it have to get really hot for that? cause my room is generally pretty cool, the loused thing in my comp is the Zalman 7700 alcu, which really isnt loud when on full speed IMO

and i just put mu hand back behnd it and it hardly feels like any air is coming out, so i guess it cant be spinning that fast

 

[Lyfer]

Originally posted by: EvilRage
Nominate ban. 3rd strike and he's out.

I concur.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: DLeRium
Hello Fortron fanboys. There are too many of you out there.

Realize this:

1) Bluestorms are loud
2) Bluestorms aren't that great in voltage regulation when you compare to OCZ, Enermax, Antec, Seasonic, PC P&C
3) FSP/Sparkle is not #1. They are far from #1, and while great, they aren't godly.

Capacitor problem? I'm sure a lot of PSUs can be categorized in this section if you can read one thread in OCForums.....

Not that many on this forum, there are more Antec, OCZ and other fanboys, if you can call them that.

Bluestorms are not the only Fortrons. They now have a 300W unit which has 87% or more efficiency, its a real piece of work. My Sparkle is not noisy, especially compared to the other components.

besides, Fortrons and Sparkles are more like powerful workhorse type PSUs. if i had to build a pc today, I would pick them because they are the most reliable IMO. seen too many issues with other PSU makers to take that risk. that is not saying I would not buy from them.

I loved the old Antec Sonata, it had a decent psu inside.

 

[designit]

Originally posted by: raildogg
troll

one thread and one website definately proves it huh :disgust:

You keep calling me troll and promoting your Fortron and pulling old threads out about Antec's bad caps. I just wanted to show you it is not antec w/ this existing problem but Fortron continue having this problem.
As said I have seen many threads about this problem on Fortron.
Here is another thread.
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=359908
Again, I am saying to you it is not just one or 2 threads, I would be more than happy to provide the links on a few other reviews and threads concerning this
Have a nice day

 

[Anubis]

all PSUs fail from time to time, this is nothing new
ive had a PSU from just about every major brand fail on me at least once

 

[raildogg]

well, Mr. AMD is Inferior,

Fortron has the capacity to make millions of power supplies each month and it does indeed own and operate those factories. As for Antec, well, its a decent reseller of PSUs, noone is arguing with that. It seems there is a trend of these bad capacitators in many PSUs, not just Antecs. This is the first time I have heard about the Fortron though. If there was a huge problem, I think Dell and other large companies who rebadge the FSP Fortron/Sparkles would have recalled their power supplies back. But there isn't.

Keep on with the wide generalizations though.

 

[feelingshorter]

Never knew that Dell used rebaged fortons/sparkles.....

Does anyone know what brand of PSUs Compaq uses? My school uses compaq computers and sometimes those things just freaking restart!

 

[Ricemarine]

I really do believe we should stop letting those with under 1000 posts express their thoughts about computers unless they prove themselves worthy.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: DLeRium
Hello Fortron fanboys. There are too many of you out there.

Realize this:

1) Bluestorms are loud
2) Bluestorms aren't that great in voltage regulation when you compare to OCZ, Enermax, Antec, Seasonic, PC P&C
3) FSP/Sparkle is not #1. They are far from #1, and while great, they aren't godly.

Capacitor problem? I'm sure a lot of PSUs can be categorized in this section if you can read one thread in OCForums.....

Not that many on this forum, there are more Antec, OCZ and other fanboys, if you can call them that.

Bluestorms are not the only Fortrons. They now have a 300W unit which has 87% or more efficiency, its a real piece of work. My Sparkle is not noisy, especially compared to the other components.

besides, Fortrons and Sparkles are more like powerful workhorse type PSUs. if i had to build a pc today, I would pick them because they are the most reliable IMO. seen too many issues with other PSU makers to take that risk. that is not saying I would not buy from them.

I loved the old Antec Sonata, it had a decent psu inside.

Well yea. Bluestorms seem to be quite popular, and there are certainly others like the 550W, 300W, etc by Fortron/Sparkle.

I don't think they get too hot or anything, I think the fan just ramps up too fast. My Seasonic isn't exactly that cool, but the fan just rams up at a better rate so you're under 30dB while under 350W. Now that said, Fortrons probably aren't TOO loud, and "loudness" is surely a subjective thing. I'm sure I wouldn't say it's too loud, but when you compare objectively using #s by going to SPCR, then you will see that Fortron is damn loud when you compare to other PSUs.

Now I really wouldn't just hang onto 1 thread to say Fortrons suck, but I remember that 1 guy who used 1 post in 1 thread to say Antec TP2.0s suck balls, but yea.. stupid. Please, we need more evidence before we throw all Fortrons/Sparkles out of our computers..

 

[designit]

Originally posted by: raildogg
troll


http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=27&threadid=1639397&enterthread=y

bad habits dont go away

Yah "lets look at that thread" and hijack this so we forget about why we came here in first place.
That thread was written in reply to another idiot who kept bashing intel and I didnt like it.
Not that I particularly care about Intel or use it.
The same pattern appears here. Some ediot starts promoting a product and bashing another, and I start a thread to ballance thinks out. I guess you can call it bad habit.
I wish your Fortran last you as long as you live and grows old and rinckled as you look, and go to haven. Happy ?

 

[FlyingPenguin]

Everyone in the business got stuck with bad caps 2 - 3 years ago. The better companies like Antec caught it quick.

They're all starting to show up now because it took this long for the electrolyte chemical to break down. Those of us in IT work are seeing a LOT of bad caps in both mobos and PSUs.

If you have any strange issues that could be power related, swap out your PSU. It'd be a prime suspect.

Anyway, no one is making PSUs with bad caps anymore. No one that's reputable. The bad source of caps was isolated.

 

[mooglekit]

Why is it that people see one thread about a company having an issue and immediately assume it's time for widespread, generalized criticism in an attemp to induce a panic? Really bothers me that people can't just have faith in the good intentions of a relatively reputable company DESPITE a mistake they may or may not have made...sheesh.

 

[Vegito]

Originally posted by: FlyingPenguin
Everyone in the business got stuck with bad caps 2 - 3 years ago. The better companies like Antec caught it quick.

They're all starting to show up now because it took this long for the electrolyte chemical to break down. Those of us in IT work are seeing a LOT of bad caps in both mobos and PSUs.

If you have any strange issues that could be power related, swap out your PSU. It'd be a prime suspect.

Anyway, no one is making PSUs with bad caps anymore. No one that's reputable. The bad source of caps was isolated.

Even dell.. I had work pc (1000+) thats 2 year old with 4 year warranty, first thing they asked me was if they were swelling or leaking.. luckily non of mine were.. just the usual dell problems

 

[RanDum72]

Well, I did have a Sparkle 400w PSU that had bad caps (5 of them burst).

 

[Bonesdad]

Originally posted by: Ricemarine
I really do believe we should stop letting those with under 1000 posts express their thoughts about computers unless they prove themselves worthy.

and how, comrade, is anyone supposed to be able to "prove themselves worthy" without posting here...?

 

[maluckey]

I also had an FSP400 with bad caps. The unit died a horrible death. FSP replaced that unit with an FSP460 (ATX GES) server PSU for a few extra bucks for Shipping and handling. No complaints here.

I am still a huge fan of FSP. They are more respected for the Sparkle server line, and PC Power and Cooling Silencer line than the Blue Storm (which is not their best BTW).

I searched the web and came up with a few observations:

All companies out there have had issues at one time or another with faulty components to include PC Power and Cooling. The good companies not only fix it with the consumers but fix the problem with the component itself so that it is no longer an issue...

Even Abit had a batch of bad caps sold to them a while back. Will anyone here call Abit a hack manufacturer? I don't think so.

 

[rise]

lol. i feel bad for new members who seek psu advice here.

its funny though to see the same people that say things like "well, antec isn't really a quality psu maker" or "i'd never use antec for oc'ing" when shown a few threads of problems now say "well anyone can find a problem with any psu maker" when its their favorite brand having a few problems. (not you maluckey)

 

[designit]

Originally posted by: rise4310
lol. i feel bad for new members who seek psu advice here.

its funny though to see the same people that say things like "well, antec isn't really a quality psu maker" or "i'd never use antec for oc'ing" when shown a few threads of problems now say "well anyone can find a problem with any psu maker" when its their favorite brand having a few problems. (not you maluckey)

right on.
That Raildogg kept promoting FSP against antec and at times bashing it- even went further bringing alive another dead thread that another clueless individual had started a while back on Antec, thus confusing that new member seeking good advise on PSU. I started this thread to show his/her Fortron beloved company has a few problems of its own.
I also noticed that this individual kept pressing on "no need for good ram and cheap ram is just as good and ram does not effect overclocking". This person is a diamond member and proves that quantity of posts does not make you an expert.

 

[AmberClad]

Originally posted by: designit

Originally posted by: rise4310
lol. i feel bad for new members who seek psu advice here.

its funny though to see the same people that say things like "well, antec isn't really a quality psu maker" or "i'd never use antec for oc'ing" when shown a few threads of problems now say "well anyone can find a problem with any psu maker" when its their favorite brand having a few problems. (not you maluckey)

right on.
That Raildogg kept promoting FSP against antec and at times bashing it- even went further bringing alive another dead thread that another clueless individual had started a while back on Antec, thus confusing that new member seeking good advise on PSU. I started this thread to show his/her Fortron beloved company has a few problems of its own.
I also noticed that this individual kept pressing on "no need for good ram and cheap ram is just as good and ram does not effect overclocking". This person is a diamond member and proves that quantity of posts does not make you an expert.

Not sure about the Antec thread, but yeah, I have noticed several dozen PSU-related threads that raildogg has posted on about how great Fortron/Sparkle is. And it's almost always the same identical post ("FSP is the best, Dells use them and that's why even the 250W ones can run 6800 Ultras" etc). It's a bit over the top to say the least imo, and this is coming from someone who uses Fortrons.