Forton vs. Seasonic
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s12 is supposed to be more queit, but I have never heard my fortron blue storm even doing heavy things like 3dmark and prime.
their both top efficiancy, so that dosen't really matter since they are both so close and good.
I really like my blue strorm with the sleeved cables and all
their both top efficiancy, so that dosen't really matter since they are both so close and good.
I really like my blue strorm with the sleeved cables and all
how's the fortron bluestorm's efficiency compared to Seasonic?
i know the seasonic get around 80%
i know the seasonic get around 80%
Noise should not be an issue with these PSUs. Same with efficiency (75 to 80%). APFC is a scam for US home users since it will not save you $! Bottomline is price. Fortron is the clear winner!
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Both psu's are excellent.
Fortron - is a little less expensive and has sleeved cables
Seasonic S12 - more energy efficient(most efficient of all psu's) and quieter
Fortron - is a little less expensive and has sleeved cables
Seasonic S12 - more energy efficient(most efficient of all psu's) and quieter
Beneficial if you have inadequate electrical wiring in your building and/or on a UPS. Other than that, I concur.
That's like saying the catalytic converters on your car are a scam.
APFC is more efficient in the end then PPFC and especially no PFC. There is a simple reason it's a requirement in Europe; it's a smatter design.
So educate me about the efficiency of PFC! How is this going to save me $ if I'm a residential customer in the US? Same question on the quality of the output voltage rails!
Because of the way you are billed by your utility you won't see a lower bill due to APFC, but it will save the utility money because it wastes less power. A device with poor PFC messes up the grid my sending back power the PSU doesn?t use, basically it's wasted energy that the utility has to cover for. It won't benefit any individual consumer in energy savings but in the bigger picture it makes sense.
The other added benefits are increased UPS run time and it's easier on the AC lines in your house.
Large cooperation?s on the other hand will see a direct cost benefit from APFC since they are also billed for ?apparent? power consumed.
I'm not sure what your question was regarding the quality of the output rails.
P.S. I am by no means an expert if I'm wrong correct me.
If it doesn't save me a cent with PFC, then why should I spend more $ for the PSU. I'm not some filthy rich actor who is obsessed with global warming and $ to burn. You can't save enough on UPS to justify the additional cost of PFC. Most people don't use UPS, so this is a mute point.
Noise is a an issue and you would notice a significant difference between the Bluestorm and the S12 (with the S12 being quieter).
APFC doesn?t make a PSU significantly more expensive, PPFC is practically free. Every PSU sold in Europe has APFC, ppl seem to be able to afford them just fine. The Seasonic is more expensive for other reasons.
The PFC of a PSU will make a pretty big difference on the run time of your UPS, plenty of ppl use them so it's not a moot point.
1st DING DONG...APFC is NOT more efficient. There is NO free lunch. The APFC will generate more heat and use more electricity. Course you would know this if you have an electrical background. Stop reading the advertising blurb!
2nd DING DONG...UPS is designed to allow the user to safely shut down the PC in the case of a power interruption, not to run the PC when there is NO AC power!
3rd DING DONG...most PSU vendors in the US will charge a small price premium for PFC. There ain't no free lunch. The EU mandates PFC, that's why those PSUs come with PFC. Seasonic is more expensive because of the name, just like OCZ.
4th DING DONG...most PCs are not connected to a UPS. Surge protector, YES. UPS, NO. If an individual lives in an area that's susceptible to frequent power interruption, then an UPS would be of value. In general, the power grid in the US is quite stable and clean. Do you see big corporations jumping on the UPS bandwagon?
Given the same power output ratings, the Enermax, Fortron, and Seasonic will ALL deliver the appropriate voltage and current to the PC.
2nd DING DONG...UPS is designed to allow the user to safely shut down the PC in the case of a power interruption, not to run the PC when there is NO AC power!
3rd DING DONG...most PSU vendors in the US will charge a small price premium for PFC. There ain't no free lunch. The EU mandates PFC, that's why those PSUs come with PFC. Seasonic is more expensive because of the name, just like OCZ.
4th DING DONG...most PCs are not connected to a UPS. Surge protector, YES. UPS, NO. If an individual lives in an area that's susceptible to frequent power interruption, then an UPS would be of value. In general, the power grid in the US is quite stable and clean. Do you see big corporations jumping on the UPS bandwagon?
Given the same power output ratings, the Enermax, Fortron, and Seasonic will ALL deliver the appropriate voltage and current to the PC.
It is more efficient, not in the AC to DC conversion sense that is directly associated with electrical bill savings kW/H (homes), unless charged by VA (as Operandi stated), but in the sense that it can increase runtime of a UPS. Is that not a product of increased efficiency?
UPSs are designed to power your PC long enough during short term AC power loss for uninterrupted operation (e.g. 3 second power loss during online gaming session) & long term so as to power a system until a system can safely be shutdown, as you've stated. If UPSs are also intended & can run longer or power more electronics for the given power due to active PFC. I don't see a problem with that
The latter reason being beneficial if I were on a deadline to finish up work for a office presentation the next day. Power loss means the presentation that was intended to be ready the next day is not. All because UPSs aren't designed to power a system for as long as possible? If true please explain why APC's UPS software for example offers the option to "Preserve battery power" (shutdown ASAP after time limit) or "Keep my computer on as long as possible" when both modes can be set to automatically go into hibernation.
1. If active PFC increases runtime on my UPS and allows me to connect more equipment to a single electrical outlet. Then I don't see a problem with having to pay a small price premium for it.
2. Europe's power isn't as clean as the US's, hence the need/requirement for active PFC in Europe.
3. A name Seasonic rightfully built upon & deserves. To me, Seasonic means quiet PSUs, quality, and until recently up there with the best in efficiencies - electrical bill savings type. If you think about it another way, Seasonic being the highest in PSU efficiencies per SPCR rates among the highest of efficient PSUs. Said that, the money saved from electrical costs due to Seasonic's efficiency should make up for the initial cost of the PSU itself.
The OCZ PSU name means Topower for the time being, so take that as it is.
1. Most? perhaps or not. Really can't say for sure either way, however 45% isn't exactly a # to be igonored. Granted, it's a poll on ATF members but I don't really see the cost of UPSs as a reason why the average consumer can't get one. Heck, I got my 500VA for $15 AR.
2. IMO the cost I put into the UPS I bought, which also happens to be a surge protector, more than made up in value for the peace of mind security that it provides along with those times my power is cut off for a second or so due to lightning storms.
3. I do see corporations jumping on the UPS bandwagon. If anything their need for UPSs are above that of home users. Especially when they have servers & workstations that run 24/7 & are setup with backup & redundancy. I'd imagine downtime of those systems would cost $, wouldn't you?
Real life example: Some months ago SETI@home's (not a big corp. although funded by) servers were down for a few days because it took them awhile to restore the data that was corrupted. The corruption occured due to power loss which would have been prevented had they connected a UPS at the time.
I've heard mixed reports that ewiz has deals on Seasonic PSU's every month or so--can anyone confirm this? Also, the lower rated S12's are apparently missing a PCIe 6-pin connector--what is this, exactly?
Possible confirmation in the Hot deals forum & I doubt the lower rated S12s are missing a 6-pin PCIe power connector, which are used for powering PCIe video cards that require more power than what a PCIe 16X slot can provide on it's own.
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