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JackMDS

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Originally posted by: SunnyD- I did this "check disc" thing you said, but nothing happened. Is it supposed to do something?
Every one need to relax with a good cup of coffee. In the front of your computer's case there is panel marked CD (Coffee Dish) press the Open button put a cup of Starbuck and enjoy:cookie:.

:sun:

P.S. If you are new to computers you should take into consideration that CD actually stands for Compact Disk.:light:
 

SunnyD

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Originally posted by: JackMDS
Originally posted by: SunnyD- I did this "check disc" thing you said, but nothing happened. Is it supposed to do something?
Every one need to relax with a good cup of coffee. In the front of your computer's case there is panel marked CD (Coffee Dish) press the Open button put a cup of Starbuck and enjoy:cookie:.

:sun:

P.S. If you are new to computers you should take into consideration that CD actually stands for Compact Disk.:light:

Is it okay to put my keyboard in the dishwasher? I've got lots of dust and fuzzies between the keys and some dirty stuff on some of the keys too...
 

JackMDS

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Originally posted by: SunnyDIs it okay to put my keyboard in the dishwasher? I've got lots of dust and fuzzies between the keys and some dirty stuff on some of the keys too...
Sure you can.

However to be on the safe side get this one first.:thumbsup:

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tiap

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Originally posted by: SunnyD
- Okay, I just partitioned my drive into two partitions, a 30gig partition for the OS and the remaining 2gig for my applications. Is this going to be enough?
- Also, I've run Hijackthis - I don't know what it did, but I had to install Netscape after running it to get here to read the next steps and post.
- I ran spybot - YAY, it found a lot of things called "tracking cookies" and took care of them. I guess that's good?
- I did the msconfig thing, and unset everything that was set to run at startup. The only thing that I noticed is that when the computer restarted I had no sound and my video was running really slow. Other than that, everything seems to be running faster.
- I turned off the XP Theme and went to classic mode as suggested - but now I can't find my control panel or my network connections! HELP!
- I've been running defrag repeatedly, it keeps telling me that I don't need to though. I just want to make my machine crash proof.
- I have several icons next to my clock, which I've just shut off. There was this McAfee one, something called Critical Updates, I can't make the one labeled Safely Remove Hardware...
- I've deleted HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE... do I need to reboot now?
- I've deleted all the desktop files. I can't find my resume now, where did it go?
- Remote assistance - what's that? I can't find it anywhere... I guess I just don't have it.
- I pressed Control-Alt-Delete... all I see are some buttons like Shut Down and stuff like that. Where are these processes and fishy things?
- I did this "check disc" thing you said, but nothing happened. Is it supposed to do something?

Now that's good
 

KoolDrew

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Originally posted by: SunnyD
- Okay, I just partitioned my drive into two partitions, a 30gig partition for the OS and the remaining 2gig for my applications. Is this going to be enough?
- Also, I've run Hijackthis - I don't know what it did, but I had to install Netscape after running it to get here to read the next steps and post.
- I ran spybot - YAY, it found a lot of things called "tracking cookies" and took care of them. I guess that's good?
- I did the msconfig thing, and unset everything that was set to run at startup. The only thing that I noticed is that when the computer restarted I had no sound and my video was running really slow. Other than that, everything seems to be running faster.
- I turned off the XP Theme and went to classic mode as suggested - but now I can't find my control panel or my network connections! HELP!
- I've been running defrag repeatedly, it keeps telling me that I don't need to though. I just want to make my machine crash proof.
- I have several icons next to my clock, which I've just shut off. There was this McAfee one, something called Critical Updates, I can't make the one labeled Safely Remove Hardware...
- I've deleted HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE... do I need to reboot now?
- I've deleted all the desktop files. I can't find my resume now, where did it go?
- Remote assistance - what's that? I can't find it anywhere... I guess I just don't have it.
- I pressed Control-Alt-Delete... all I see are some buttons like Shut Down and stuff like that. Where are these processes and fishy things?
- I did this "check disc" thing you said, but nothing happened. Is it supposed to do something?


:thumbsup:
 

fORM

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We're down to 1 issue here. Fragmentation. Also those are some great tips pouring in from the peanut gallery. Pure wisdom.

As for examples Bsobel.., I'd love to setup a camcorder to catch all these "moments" on tape. Digital evidence? I'm not quite prepared to do so but it may be a last resort.

The post on E E is fine. In fact it's all the info one would need to give an opinion.

Sunnyd is onto something here :D
 

bsobel

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The post on E E is fine. In fact it's all the info one would need to give an opinion.

:roll: Yea, unfortunately you sure phrased the question there much different from the 'facts' you made up here. I guess I'll go have to go over and quote you then, I'm sure EE will enjoy the laugh too.

fart.html - Nice link in your sig, I guess it's so everyone can see your maturity level.

Bill
 

bsobel

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Also those are some great tips pouring in from the peanut gallery. Pure wisdom.

"(figurative) people whose criticisms are regarded as irrelevant or insignificant (resembling uneducated people who throw peanuts on the stage to express displeasure with a performance)"

Further maturity, I like the jabs at absolutely everyone else in the thread (you do realize, don't you, that no-one [sans you] believes you are right).

Bill

 

stash

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Also those are some great tips pouring in from the peanut gallery

Step number one to becoming less of an assh0le: Stop referring to people with dissenting opinions as the peanut gallery.

I found much of your original post to be incorrect or unwise, but I was willing to listen (for awhile). With statements like the above, you pretty much lose all credibility.
 

SunnyD

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You do realize that posting "technical support for n00bs" on a technical forum is pretty much a waste of time don't you? The bulk of the user-base is technically savvy, sans the n00bs that actually come and post their wisdom here, of course.

And while I do admire your conviction to stick to your guns, though loaded with blanks they may be, you do realize that if I did actually follow your instructions I would either:

A) Had to have used whatever implement nearest to me to bludgeon myself to death

or

B) Would not be posting here at this time, but rather would be reinstalling Windows yet again to fix the issues that your suggestions would have caused.
 

fORM

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Har har...

Anybody who can't post more than a sentence and tosses in random comments will always be a part of the peanut gallery. You're right up there with the guy who goes in for sloppy seconds with the drunken chick at the party. Crummy thing is you find out it?s your sister. You guys are all part of the same posse. Never starting an argument but always nearby to throw in your two-bits. I can't even see an ounce of tech-savvy wisdom from your useless banter.

Bsobel...Hope you like your link...Do you think I?d follow the silly suggestion and not have fun with it? You clicked on it, not me :D And do you think I?m going to sit here and not reflect the insults. You're smoking that green stuff again.

Also stash, "assh0le" huh? :D There goes your credibility...potty mouth. Where have you been the entire thread? We're down to one issue here. #6 for the last time. Wipe the splooge stains off your coke bottles.

Sunny, go back to bed. I never did like telemarketers.

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Hey, noob. That is rude enough to send you elsewhere for a couple of weeks. When you return, another post that rude may be your last post on our forums.

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bsobel

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You're right up there with the guy who goes in for sloppy seconds with the drunken chick at the party. Crummy thing is you find out it?s your sister.

Aww, thank you, thank you, thank you for finally putting this thread to rest. We won't miss you.

 

Darilus

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Originally posted by: bsobel
You're right up there with the guy who goes in for sloppy seconds with the drunken chick at the party. Crummy thing is you find out it?s your sister.

Aww, thank you, thank you, thank you for finally putting this thread to rest. We won't miss you.

I will, idiocy is entertaining.
 

fORM

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Some more opinions Bsobel...not that they can out power yours :roll:

Hard drive fragmentation articles: Taken from http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ZDM/story?id=472194

Reduce hard drive growing pains. As you fill up your hard drive, Windows places new files wherever there's room. Sometimes files must be broken into pieces to fit in the available space. Too many broken (or fragmented) files can slow down your system and increase the likelihood of data loss or hard drive crashes.


You're probably aware of Windows XP's Disk Defragmenter tool (buried under Start | All Programs | Accessories | System Tools), which reorganizes the files on your hard drive to make them contiguous.


What isn't obvious is how to deal with the so-called unmovable files (the green swaths in Disk Defragmenter's disk map), which will remain fragmented even after you've defragmented the rest of the files. Most likely, only two entities on your hard drive are flagged as unmovable: your swap file and the Master File Table (MFT).


The only way to defragment your swap file is to delete it before running Disk Defragmenter. You should only try this if your PC has at least 256MB of RAM. Go to Control Panel | System | Advanced tab | Performance Settings | Advanced tab | Change. In the Virtual Memory box, select No paging file, and then click on Set. Click OK | OK | OK, and then restart your computer. Run Disk Defragmenter, and defragment the entire drive. When it's done, return to the Virtual Memory box, but now choose the Custom size option. If you specify the same number for both Initial size and Maximum size (set it two to four times the amount of physical RAM), your swap file will never grow or shrink, and will be immune to future fragmentation.


The MFT, your hard disk's other unmovable entity (NTFS drives only), is your hard drive's table of contents. As you add more files to your drive, the MFT gets filled up; once it's full, it grows, and that's when it starts getting fragmented. With a simple Registry hack, you can allocate more space for the MFT so that it won't need to grow so often. To do this, open the Registry Editor and navigate to HKEY_ LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Filesystem. Double-click on the NtfsMftZoneReservation value on the right side, and enter a number between 2 and 4 (1, which reserves 12.5 percent of the NTFS volume for the MFT, is the default). A value of 2 or 3 (which reserve 25 and 37.5 percent, respectively) is probably fine for most drives, but 4 reserves the most space, 50 percent (at the expense of free space). Close the Registry Editor when you're done. You can check on the health of your MFT in Disk Defragmenter by clicking on Analyze and then on View Report.


http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?t=6099
Next, check to see if your disc is badly fragmented. While fragmention affects XP less than other operating systems, it can affect XP if the disk is badly fragmented. Go back to the Tools tab on your HDD's properties, and click the "Check Now" box next to Defragmentation. Click analyze. When it's finished, a dialog box will pop-up. Look for "Fragmentation" and a percent. You should also see "File Fragmentation" and "Data Fragmentation". If these numbers are over about 20%, then defragment the hard drive. Try ripping again after it finishes.





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Disk fragmentation occurs when a file is broken up into pieces to fit on the disk. Because files are constantly being written, deleted, and resized, fragmentation is a natural occurrence. When a file is spread out over several locations, it takes longer to read and write. But the effects of fragmentation are far more widespread: Slow performance, long boot times, random crashes and freeze-ups?even complete inability to boot up at all. Many users blame these problems on the operating systems, when disk fragmentation is often the real culprit


http://mywebpages.comcast.net/SupportCD/XPMyths.html
NTFS is Fragmentation Free - Source

Myth - "The NTFS File system does not get fragmented and Defragmenters are unnecessary."

Reality - "Even though NTFS is more resistant to fragmentation than FAT, it can and does still fragment. The reason NTFS is less prone to fragmentation is that it makes intelligent choices about where to store file data on the disk. NTFS reserves space for the expansion of the Master File Table, reducing fragmentation of its structures. In contrast to FAT's first-come, first-served method, NTFS's method of writing files minimizes, but does not eliminate, the problem of file fragmentation on NTFS volumes."


http://kennethhunt.com/archives/000768.html
Windows 2000 / XP NTFS Fragmentation = Ultimately Corruption ?

Disk Defragmentation in Windows: Rough Sledding
I'm going to take this with a grain of salt, although it would go a long way to explaining some of the "cruft" issues associated with windows. Simply on hearsay: I have heard in the past that Diskkeeper had failed to defragment an existing MFT on a RAID array, the ensuing hijinks while not primarily ES fault, still pointed to a failure to complete a task which was the primary purpose of the software package. e.g. defragmentation of a functioning machine, and defragmentation of the MFT. YMMV verify your backups before using any defragmenter.


For example, the report described a test of Windows 2000 and XP in which a custom program fragmented a NTFS-formatted drive. Even though the drive was only filled to 40 percent of capacity, the fragmentation resulted in automatic creation of additional Master File Table (MFT) metadata files. When a single 72MB file was copied to the disk, all the files were corrupted. At a certain point, the OS just can't maintain all of the necessary directories and ensure data integrity. Ouch!

http://www.webtechgeek.com/How-to-Troubleshoot-a-WindowsXP-Computer-Part2.htm
How To - Troubleshoot a Windows XP Computer Tips Page:
By Raymond, WebTechGeek.com -
Usually Windows XP works quite well, and even though it is more stable than its predecessors, it still can hang and crashes on occasion. Fortunately, Windows XP comes with a number of diagnostic tools that can help. Microsoft has also added one new tool, Remote Assistance, which allows Microsoft technicians to fix your computer over the phone.
Before you call a computer repair tech service and pay big money for help, you should take a look at your computer yourself. Just a little common sense may help you solve some simple hardware and software problems, like loose cables. If you do decide to call technical support, remember to write down the problem and what you were doing when it occurred. And also take note of any error messages.
You should try to be as specific as possible when talking to the tech support or Pc repair person. For example: the OS Windows ME or XP, Whenever I try to start up my PC, I see an error message box, whenever I run this program. Computers tend to crash or hang when their hard disks become too fragmented or full. You should free up space by deleting unnecessary files and emptying the Trash or Recycle Bin. Also run Scandisk and disk defragmenter in system tools. Remember to come back to WebTechGeek.com for more How to tips!
When an application crashes in Windows XP, Windows will displays a box telling you about it. There's not much you can do, just click OK. It's a good idea to restart Windows the program may have damaged files or Windows' internal operations. Remember to come back to WebTechGeek.com for more How to tips!
If a Windows program hangs, you can force Windows to stop the hung program. Just press CTRL-ALT-DEL to open the Windows Task Manager dialog box.
Look on the Applications tab of the Windows Task Manager, a hung program will usually has the notation "Not responding" in the Status column. All healthy programs are designated as "Running." Now select the name of the hung Windows program and then click End Task. The program should then exits.
If all else fails, press CTRL-ALT-DEL to display the Windows Task Manager and then choose Shut Down > Restart on the menu bar: Windows XP should restart. Windows may runs ChkDsk so that all disk errors can be repaired, this is normal for Windows. Remember to come back to WebTechGeek.com for more How to tips!





 

jackoooo

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I am probably a perfect example of the guy you all are trying to help and I must say you all have lost me a long time ago!!!!!
 

Philippine Mango

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I've seen cases on 9X machines where they would crash quite often because they were heavily fragmented. I haven't though on a XP machine because in my book XP is far too new. When windows XP starts going 6yrs+ I have a feeling this problem will start to become more predominant. Yes the NTFS filesystem tends to do a better job with fragmentation compared to the FAT32 filesystem and combination of 9X, I can still see where a system can get horribly fragmented to the point where it won't function.

About the system crashing with the heavily fragmented drive, I was working on the computer and continued to crash despite removing all the gunk on the machine so after I defragmented the drive (booted into safemode because that was the only mode that worked), it not only made the sytem run quickly but it stopped crashing.