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Says we should have involved 4 Heavy Armored Divisions This mad Dash to Baghdad seems a little risky to me. But unlike Clark I'm not a General..well maybe an Armchair General
300,000 troops just for show?
Not hardly. Don't be surprised if that number doubles before this is over with. Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and the rest of that crack team of assclowns at the Pentagon wanted to do it with 100K. They are equally as impressed with every gee-whiz shiny gadget that comes out as they are with their perceived expertise at running a war. If it wasn't for a borderline revolt by those wearing the uniform, that I have been told included a threatened resignation by Gen. Franks, we would have started this war w/ about 35,000 combat effective troops in Kuwait. Rumsfeld is an egomaniacal micro-managing old man who is convinced he knows more about being a flag officer than the flags. What really needs to happen, if this war is to go forward, is for him to get the fsck out of the way and let Gen. Franks, et al do their jobs. He won't, so I hope GW has about 10 of those 6 month war budgets handy. He's gonna need 'em.
Well I hope that old Dueche Bag doesn't cost more American Soldiers to get killed.Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
I agree with them. I posted this the other day in a thread that got locked.
300,000 troops just for show?
Not hardly. Don't be surprised if that number doubles before this is over with. Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and the rest of that crack team of assclowns at the Pentagon wanted to do it with 100K. They are equally as impressed with every gee-whiz shiny gadget that comes out as they are with their perceived expertise at running a war. If it wasn't for a borderline revolt by those wearing the uniform, that I have been told included a threatened resignation by Gen. Franks, we would have started this war w/ about 35,000 combat effective troops in Kuwait. Rumsfeld is an egomaniacal micro-managing old man who is convinced he knows more about being a flag officer than the flags. What really needs to happen, if this war is to go forward, is for him to get the fsck out of the way and let Gen. Franks, et al do their jobs. He won't, so I hope GW has about 10 of those 6 month war budgets handy. He's gonna need 'em.
Originally posted by: StormRider
I also have felt that our war plan was too reckless. It's way too risky. We advanced way too fast and have a vulnerable long thin supply line. And we just seemed way too cocky and overconfident with regards to our technological advantage.
I prefer Powell's doctrine of using overwhelming force. I think Rumsfeld is an idiot.
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Says we should have involved 4 Heavy Armored Divisions This mad Dash to Baghdad seems a little risky to me. But unlike Clark I'm not a General..well maybe an Armchair General![]()
True. I have a lot of anxiety over this war and when I read something like that it only adds fuel to the fire. Still, one would think it would be best to go for the over kill, to hell with saving money.Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Says we should have involved 4 Heavy Armored Divisions This mad Dash to Baghdad seems a little risky to me. But unlike Clark I'm not a General..well maybe an Armchair General![]()
4th ID is rolling into place and airborne is dropping into the north. Hard to bitch about what is going on, when none of us know what is going on.
I don't think it's as much that we can't get the job done as much as it is it will be harder work. Plus if We had Overwhelming Force I think it would demoralize the Iraqi's faster.Originally posted by: Jmman
Well, imho, we are less than 50 miles from Baghdad and have suffered minimal casualties. What were people saying before this conflict started? Huge coalition losses? Hasn't happened yet. Let's let our leadership conduct the battle. After all, this is virtually the same group that won the Gulf War, arguably the most lopsided war in history, so let's not panic just yet.
Originally posted by: Jmman
Well, imho, we are less than 50 miles from Baghdad and have suffered minimal casualties. What were people saying before this conflict started? Huge coalition losses? Hasn't happened yet. Let's let our leadership conduct the battle. After all, this is virtually the same group that won the Gulf War, arguably the most lopsided war in history, so let's not panic just yet.
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Jmman
Well, imho, we are less than 50 miles from Baghdad and have suffered minimal casualties. What were people saying before this conflict started? Huge coalition losses? Hasn't happened yet. Let's let our leadership conduct the battle. After all, this is virtually the same group that won the Gulf War, arguably the most lopsided war in history, so let's not panic just yet.
Haven't done much more than drive through empty desert yet either.
Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Jmman
Well, imho, we are less than 50 miles from Baghdad and have suffered minimal casualties. What were people saying before this conflict started? Huge coalition losses? Hasn't happened yet. Let's let our leadership conduct the battle. After all, this is virtually the same group that won the Gulf War, arguably the most lopsided war in history, so let's not panic just yet.
Haven't done much more than drive through empty desert yet either.
Desert exists where Saudi ARabia and it connect, and also where it has its border with Jordan. The rest of Iraq isn't a desert. Unlike Saudi Arabia and Kuwait Iraq actually does other stuff beyond produce oil
Originally posted by: rahvin
The original plan wasn't a single division, it was two. 4th was supposed to unload in Turkey and Drive into Iraq. Without ground passage they are being forced to air lift the division in. It's gonna take time to get them in place. Supposidly troops have also been unloading in western Iraq so there may be a secret deployment going on.
I think the Iraqies are going to be quite supprised when the storms quite down tonight and those armored columns they have out on the move go up in the smoke of hellfire missles and 2000lb bombs.
True. I have a lot of anxiety over this war and when I read something like that it only adds fuel to the fire. Still, one would think it would be best to go for the over kill, to hell with saving money.
Just the annual Hell Night on Oct 30Originally posted by: Corn
True. I have a lot of anxiety over this war and when I read something like that it only adds fuel to the fire. Still, one would think it would be best to go for the over kill, to hell with saving money.
I don't think money has been a consideration in this fight. IMHO it appears that Bush/Rumsfeld are attempting to minimize civilian casualties so as to keep their detractors at bay. While I don't necessarily disagree with this strategy, I believe it to be a significant reason that you don't see alot of popular Iraqi uprisings against Saddam.
The Iraqi people have been conditioned to be fearful through many decades of tyranical rule--and I'm sure are quite aware of the fact that Saddam has carefully integrated his elite republican guard into the civilian population. I doubt there will be a whole lot of vocalized and actioned support of our troops by the civilian Iraqi population until they are satisfied that Saddam and his ruling Baath party are gone for good.
I have several friends who have immigrated here from Iraq, who still have family over there, and their opinion is that the Iraqi civilian population would be extremely forgiving of civilian casualties if their freedom comes to pass as has been promised (a promise I'm going to hold Bush to), essentially saying that they believe we are being too careful to avoid civilian casualties. Of course it's easy to say that when they don't have to worry about bombs falling in Detroit..........
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
I don't think it's easy/possible to airlift M1A2 tanks; I think they have to come into Kuwait by ship, and then drive up towards Baghdad. Not sure, though. Also, I wouldn't put it past Saddam to stuff that convoy full of civilians and then claim he was just trying to evacuate the city. Al-Jazeera would eat that up, and their Arab constituency is stupid enough to believe it.