Former Russian Terrorist Tragedy Thread

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conjur

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Russian troops today stormed a school in southern Russia and secured the building where an armed gang, believed to be Chechen rebels, took hundreds of children, parents and teachers hostage on Wednesday. It was unclear whether any hostages had been killed, but one local official said most had survived. One report quoted local officials as saying 250 hostages had been wounded including 180 children.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/...ssia.school/index.html
BESLAN, Russia (CNN) -- Russian troops Friday attempted to end the terrifying hostage-taking of a school in southern Russia, but fighting persisted on the school grounds as captives raced from the building under siege.

Hostage-takers and their captives fled in a scene of chaos amid explosions and gunfire as commandos stormed the building on Friday.

Up to 100 bodies were seen lying in the Russian school gymnasium after troops stormed the building, a British ITV News reporter said.

However, ITAR-Tass cites regional health ministry officials as saying at least seven people had been killed and at least 310 injured.

Russian special forces troops took action Friday after the hostage-takers opened fire as the troops attempted to remove the bodies of those killed when the siege began two days ago.

Fighting continued on the school grounds. An Interior Ministry official said that troops have seized a gym where hostages were held, but believe there may be militants in other buildings holding hostages.

Russian commandos are in hot pursuit of the hostage-takers. There was also a report of two women terrorists dressed in white, trying to flee and blend into the population.

Another media report said 13 militants had managed to escape.

ITAR-Tass said soldiers blew a hole in the building to help hostages escape.

Some hostage-takers were still holed up in the building but special forces were not able to go in after them because the area was mined, the news agency said.

One report said five of the hostage-takers were killed in the standoff at the school in North Ossetia, near Chechnya, where rebels have been fighting Russia and demanding independence for that small republic.

There were reports of gunfire in the building and structures ablaze near the school. Huge explosions could be heard and plumes of smoke seen near the school. Small arms fire crackled.

There was another report that troops surrounded a residence where several militants were thought to have taken refuge.

The explosions could have resulted from mines and booby-traps planted near the school by militants, experts say.

Interfax quoted a defense official saying that "the terrorists planted a lot of mines and booby-traps filled with metal bolts in the gym" where hostages were held.

Casualty figures trickled over the news wires, but could not be confirmed. However, there were images of dead, as well as wounded people, and scores of survivors running from the school.

Another said 10 dead were taken from the school. One local official said "most" of the hostages had survived.

The breakthrough in the hostage-taking came after dozens of captives escaped Friday amid sporadic explosions and small-arms fire that lasted for more than an hour. Russian helicopters circled overhead but were never seen to open fire.

Scenes of the chaotic, chilling ending of the hostage-taking unfolded on television.

Half-naked children dashed out of the school in every direction. Some were carried and helped by parents and adults. Many were bleeding. Others screamed. Many received medical treatment and food and water outside.

Paramedics pulled children out in stretchers and put into cars and ambulances. Some were bandaged and badly injured and others were just simply distraught and relieved to be free. Anxious adults milled around an area near the school where Russian soldiers were stationed.


The standoff, which began with the armed attackers raiding the school on the first day of classes Wednesday, has lasted for well over 40 hours. Sporadic small arms fire and explosions have occurred since Thursday, continuing into Friday afternoon.

Russia's Interfax news agency reported portions of the building's roof had collapsed, and another reporter said he saw two soldiers in black fatigues standing on the roof, ostensibly the part still intact.

The hostage-takers had been holding more than 350 children, parents and teachers, although relatives said the number was much higher -- at about 1,000.

During the ordeal, the terrorists did not allow water and food into the building.

One unidentified woman freed on Thursday told Izvestia newspaper that during the night children occasionally began to cry.

"Then the fighters would fire in the air to restore quiet. In the morning they told us they would not give us anything more to drink because the authorities were not ready to negotiate.

"When children went to the toilet, some tried to drink from the tap. The fighters stopped them straight away."

The current hostage standoff follows a bloody week in Russia, in which a female suicide bomber Tuesday killed nine people outside a Moscow subway station and two airliners were downed by two suspected Chechen female suicide bombers on August 24, killing all 89 people aboard the planes.

Russian officials have said the new wave of attacks is an attempt at revenge for last weekend's elections in Chechnya in which a Kremlin-backed candidate won the presidency.

The crisis is reminiscent of the October 2002 siege of a Moscow theater, when Chechen rebels threatened to kill some 700 hostages and demanded an end to the war in Chechnya.

Many of those attackers were women, with explosives belts strapped to their body, while the men were armed with pistols and rifles. Two massive bombs also had been placed in the theater.

That standoff ended when Russian forces piped poison gas into the theater to knock out everyone inside, but more than 120 hostages and 41 attackers were killed, most of them from the gas.
 

FuzzyBee

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Killing school children always helps get people on your side.

This is tremendously tragic. :(
 

shiner

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That's pretty much SOP for what the Russians do in these types of situations. Putin has said over and over again that he will not negotiate with terrorists. They send in troops, kill the terrorists and save as many people as they can, but he doesn't really pay a political price when hostages die like a U.S. President would.

I was actually waiting for this to happen when I first saw the story. Very sad....but predictable.
 

Hugenstein

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Chalk up another win in the war on terror. :disgust:

I wonder what other countries who are minding there own business we can attack, while actual terrorists are allowed to operate freely around the world.

Right wing radio was trying to invoke this as a reason why we need to be strong on the war on terror (just not strong against these terrorists, i guess.). It's embarrassing that people are buying this crap.
 

GoPackGo

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Originally posted by: Hugenstein
Chalk up another win in the war on terror. :disgust:

I wonder what other countries who are minding there own business we can attack, while actual terrorists are allowed to operate freely around the world.

Right wing radio was trying to invoke this as a reason why we need to be strong on the war on terror (just not strong against these terrorists, i guess.). It's embarrassing that people are buying this crap.

This is in Russia...what solution do have for the US to solve this?

Or is this Americas fault?
 

conjur

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Terrorism will never disappear.

As long as there are men (or women, they're not immune completely) with egos and desires of having power, there will always be violence.

The best we can do is to provide opportunities or work with other countries to improve the education of their citizens and to enable opportunities for them in their own land. Look at the U.S, Canada, or most of Europe. We're the beacons of opportunity and the instances of terrorism are relatively low. Yes, there have been attacks on us but they rarely have come from within (McVeigh being an exception.) Bombs and bullets are not the final solution.

Are we attacked because we are truly hated for our freedom or is it that people with little or no opportunity are so easily manipulated into serving some egomaniac's twisted vision?
 

nageov3t

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anyone know why all the children were half-naked?

I just saw some footage on CNN, and every kid was in various states of undress (from just wearing jeans to a few girls who looked like they were only wearing their underwear).
 

shiner

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Originally posted by: Hugenstein
Chalk up another win in the war on terror. :disgust:

I wonder what other countries who are minding there own business we can attack, while actual terrorists are allowed to operate freely around the world.

Right wing radio was trying to invoke this as a reason why we need to be strong on the war on terror (just not strong against these terrorists, i guess.). It's embarrassing that people are buying this crap.
What is embarrassing is that someone with your obvious lack of intelligence can operate a computer well enough to post here. Oh well....I guess they are right....anyone can use a Mac.
 

shiner

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Originally posted by: loki8481
anyone know why all the children were half-naked?

I just saw some footage on CNN, and every kid was in various states of undress (from just wearing jeans to a few girls who looked like they were only wearing their underwear).
Probably one of those things we really don't want to know. :(

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: loki8481
anyone know why all the children were half-naked?

I just saw some footage on CNN, and every kid was in various states of undress (from just wearing jeans to a few girls who looked like they were only wearing their underwear).
Probably one of those things we really don't want to know. :(
I was about to post the same thing.


My heart really goes out to the parents.


:(
 

shiner

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Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: phantom309
Terrible.

The Russsians suck at this. They play hardball and cowboys and get people killed.
Wouldn't say they suck....they just have a different approach. Very hard nosed about things. It's their history. They don't really have a problem with how many people have to die as long as the goal is accomplished. Very Machiavellian in their approach to things. Just look at WWII for example. Wave after wave of Russians died....but in the end they beat down the Germans.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: loki8481
anyone know why all the children were half-naked?

I just saw some footage on CNN, and every kid was in various states of undress (from just wearing jeans to a few girls who looked like they were only wearing their underwear).
Probably one of those things we really don't want to know. :(

From a radio report -they said it was really hot in there and the hostages weren't given water.

CsG
 

Bulk Beef

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: loki8481
anyone know why all the children were half-naked?

I just saw some footage on CNN, and every kid was in various states of undress (from just wearing jeans to a few girls who looked like they were only wearing their underwear).
Probably one of those things we really don't want to know. :(
I was about to post the same thing.
Apparently it was hot as sh*t in the school building.

 

Rainsford

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Yay for people who put their political goals above such silly things as right and wrong.

I'm talking about the terrorists here, not the Russians...although I suppose this would apply to anyone who does the above.
 

shiner

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: loki8481
anyone know why all the children were half-naked?

I just saw some footage on CNN, and every kid was in various states of undress (from just wearing jeans to a few girls who looked like they were only wearing their underwear).
Probably one of those things we really don't want to know. :(
I was about to post the same thing.


My heart really goes out to the parents.


:(
It's bad enough when adults are put into situations like this. I feel for them.....but when some rat bastards do this to kids it makes me want to rip their dicks off, shove them in their mouth, then gut stomp them to death. Damn I hate it when people mess with kids!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: Hugenstein
Chalk up another win in the war on terror. :disgust:

I wonder what other countries who are minding there own business we can attack, while actual terrorists are allowed to operate freely around the world.

Right wing radio was trying to invoke this as a reason why we need to be strong on the war on terror (just not strong against these terrorists, i guess.). It's embarrassing that people are buying this crap.

This is in Russia...what solution do have for the US to solve this?

Or is this Americas fault?

I don't think there was anything the US could have done once the hostages were taken. I also don't believe there is a real solution to terrorism. At best, our invasion of Iraq was nothing more then just mowing the grass. It doesn't kill it, it justs sets them back a bit.

The question is will they come back stronger or did the war help? I think it was at best a short term solution and like grass, it just gets thicker after being mowed. The only real solution is to somehow cut the funding to them and that will take world cooperation.

 

Hugenstein

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: Hugenstein
Chalk up another win in the war on terror. :disgust:

I wonder what other countries who are minding there own business we can attack, while actual terrorists are allowed to operate freely around the world.

Right wing radio was trying to invoke this as a reason why we need to be strong on the war on terror (just not strong against these terrorists, i guess.). It's embarrassing that people are buying this crap.
What is embarrassing is that someone with your obvious lack of intelligence can operate a computer well enough to post here. Oh well....I guess they are right....anyone can use a Mac.

With reasoning like your stupid, I don't know how I will ever defend myself. You win, oh great one, oh master of the intelligent, well though out argument. I concede. My humble apologies for burdening you with my presence.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: loki8481
anyone know why all the children were half-naked?

I just saw some footage on CNN, and every kid was in various states of undress (from just wearing jeans to a few girls who looked like they were only wearing their underwear).
Probably one of those things we really don't want to know. :(
I was about to post the same thing.


My heart really goes out to the parents.


:(
It's bad enough when adults are put into situations like this. I feel for them.....but when some rat bastards do this to kids it makes me want to rip their dicks off, shove them in their mouth, then gut stomp them to death. Damn I hate it when people mess with kids!!!!!!!!!!!!

Could not agree more.

Death is too good for those bastards! :|
 

ksherman

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It's bad enough when adults are put into situations like this. I feel for them.....but when some rat bastards do this to kids it makes me want to rip their dicks off, shove them in their mouth, then gut stomp them to death. Damn I hate it when people mess with kids!!!!!!!!!!!!

Definately agreee with that one! The numbers i just recently saw from MSN news said that well over 400 were injured, and over 200 of them were children. Also, the cameramen were able to get into the qymnasium, were everyone was being kept, for a few seconds and this is what they saw:
"I was stopped by the Russian soldiers," ITV's Julian Manyon reported. "But our cameraman did manage to get through the door just for a few moments. He told me that in his estimation there are as many as 100 dead bodies, I am afraid, lying on the smouldering floor of the gymnasium where we know that a large number of the hostages were being held."

HOLY SPIT!!!! this whole news bit has toatally messed up my day :frown: and to think there are those of you who are squabaling over who can make fun of who the best... Please post in another topic. My heart and prayers go out to the families in Russia.
 

Kadarin

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/me is wondering where Sultan is, and how he intends to defend the "religion of peace" this time..

Islam is a blight on humanity.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
/me is wondering where Sultan is, and how he intends to defend the "religion of peace" this time..

Islam is a blight on humanity.

:roll:

Yeah...let's lump all Muslims into one category. While we're at it, let's lump all Christians into one group and Jews, too.