I've never really had any reason to suspect the accepted media story but one question I keep hearing from those that do is what happened to the plane that flew into the Pentagon? You can't see it or any parts of it in any pictures and I hardly believe that the whole thing including giant engines was incinerated.
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bush is far worse than carter when it comes to... uh... pretty much anything, i'm pretty sure.
you comparing hitler to carter is pretty ridiculous.
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I just read page 63.
Now imagine a report backed by an organization supporting increased funding for infrastructure saying it's unlikely that were going to see significant increases in funding for infrastructure anytime soon unless a catastrophic event like a bridge collapse occurs. Does that mean that they planned and executed the I-35 Mississippi River Bridge catastrophe?
I'd be willing to bet there is some document somewhere that brings up bridges falling somewhere. Maybe we need an investigation into this conspiracy? No thanks.
As are the left-wing nuts who constantly try to compare GWB to Hitler.
But I'm sure you approve of that.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
So did Joe (the criminal bootlegger) Kennedy. And look what kind of trash sprung from his loins. :roll:
Try to stay in the present or recent, relevant past.
no im not
Im comparing your argument as what is wrong with carter.
Everyone with half a brain knows he is the worst foreign policy president in history but you said "this guy won a nobel peace prize and builds houses with his bare hands for poor people, too"
So my argument about hitler is the same as yours about carter: hitlers love for dogs doesn't counteract his attempted extermination of the Jews and starting ww2 in the same way as carters good work for habitat doesn't counteract his sh!ty foreign policy.
I'll spell it out for you since you didn't get it the first time: I didn't compare carter to hitler--I USED YOUR SAME ABSURD ARGUMENT TO MAKE AN ABSURD POINT TO SHOW YOU HOW ABSURD YOUR ARGUMENT IS.
Its not dogma, its "groupthink". I enjoy it as much as the rewriting of history I see here.
The biggest concern in Carter`s time was Middle East peace. Bringing together Begin and Sadat was a HUGE accomplishment.
As for 9/11, WTC 7 proves this was more than just some guys highjacking airplanes. You guys remember that building that had a few fires and collapsed in picture perfect planned demolition style.
BTW, what are the odds that all three buildings would fall straight down "into their basements".
As for all the stuff that has come out supporting that there was indeed a conspiracy, that`s not incompetence on the part of the conspirators, that`s arrogance.
But I understand some of you want to not see this stuff. If you do start questioning the "official" story, you might get labelled as "sympathetic to enemy combatants", be taken into custody without being charged, have no access to legal counsel, and have your family and friends told that the Federal government cannot reveal your whereabouts.
But I must be crazy, that`s not legal in today`s America...
or is it?
The biggest concern in Carter`s time was Middle East peace. Bringing together Begin and Sadat was a HUGE accomplishment.
As for 9/11, WTC 7 proves this was more than just some guys highjacking airplanes. You guys remember that building that had a few fires and collapsed in picture perfect planned demolition style.
BTW, what are the odds that all three buildings would fall straight down "into their basements".
As for all the stuff that has come out supporting that there was indeed a conspiracy, that`s not incompetence on the part of the conspirators, that`s arrogance.
But I understand some of you want to not see this stuff. If you do start questioning the "official" story, you might get labelled as "sympathetic to enemy combatants", be taken into custody without being charged, have no access to legal counsel, and have your family and friends told that the Federal government cannot reveal your whereabouts.
But I must be crazy, that`s not legal in today`s America...
or is it?
Think of the odds of something like a bridge collapsing and the odds of a new Pearl Harbor. Now, what are the chances of a bridge collapsing and another Pearl Harbor-like event occuring considering it only happened once before? Too much of a coincidence, don't you think?
Red Dawn, I know you are old enough to remember the Camp David peace talks.
Alzheimer`s kicking in?
Big Jelly said
You said he (Carter) was until Bush. Was what? The worst foreign policy president in history.
So you are saying Carter was the worst foreign policy president until Bush.
I am saying Carter brought Egypt and Israel to the table (at Camp David), which no one thought possible and that he was NOT the worst foreign policy president even before Bush Jr.
Simple.
talking about Carter.
You said he (Carter) was until Bush. Was what? The worst foreign policy president in history.
So you are saying Carter was the worst foreign policy president until Bush.
I am saying Carter brought Egypt and Israel to the table (at Camp David), which no one thought possible and that he was NOT the worst foreign policy president even before Bush Jr.
Simple.
Take your conspiracy theories elsewhere. :roll:
As for your insinuation about "questioning the official story", if that were the case, why are you still out free, able to post your crap? Looks like the big bad boogeyman hasn't arrested you yet.
No. Got as much right to be here as you do.
Its a long list, and I haven`t made a movie or written a book filled with those inconvenient things called facts, so I got some time yet.
to shinerburke
i have a friend that was a marine that worked on airplanes. even he is having a hard time buying the story of the pentagon plane crash.....the hole in the third ring is what he brings up.
i have a friend that was a marine that worked on airplanes. even he is having a hard time buying the story of the pentagon plane crash.....the hole in the third ring is what he brings up.
:roll:
You're a nutjob, plain and simple. If the "Government" wanted all you fools silenced, we wouldn't have to deal with your nonsense all the time.
Pssh, apples and oranges. I've personally spoken to Herb York about the Manhattan project. You know how they kept it secret? Compartmentalized information. He was working on centrifuges, but even he didn't know exactly what they were for. I'm certain that information leaked out of that project, but without a coherant whole they were unintelligable. Same thing goes for a lot of military projects... so while the numbers of people that are involved appear high, the actual number that have enough information to know what's going on is much much lower.
9/11 would be absolutely nothing like that. You can't compartmentalize placing demolition charges in buildings. People know what they're doing. If people actually placed those charges in the buildings, they know that they are party to the murder of over 3,000 of their friends and countrymen. Keeping a secret to help your country win a war is one thing, hiding complicity in mass murder of your own people is quite another. So both in nature and in structure the 9/11 conspiracy required cannot be compared to the secrets you are trying to use to refute my argument.
Oh, and if you really think the buildings were demolished I highly suggest you read some of the papers written on the subject by structural engineers. They will prove very enlightening. (well they would if you hadn't already decided not to believe them)
Ill say one thing in this thread than go. I am not saying I do not think there was no outside involvement, but the people here who seem to think government sanctioned means that 100's of people have to be involved are naieve. There are such things as black operations, there is a reason they are called such. The ones that have become declassified usually blow us away at the complexity of the operation compared to the number of people involved. It is entirely plausible that only a small number of government officials (not US neccesarilly, but in some capacity) knew and or even aided the 9/11 Hijackers with hopes of something that would further them. (This happened all the time in the Middle ages, and people have not changed much).
For example, and this is hypothetical
Agent 1 and 2 get wind of this, they tell supervisor 1, supervisor one notifies his supervisor, who also has friends. They discuss it and see that perhaps this will benefit them in some way (ability to create stricer laws vs citizens thereby concreting there power) So they do nothing and distract agencies from getting involved.
Its called a gamble, we see in the papers it happens everyday with governments. Chances are when what happened became so big, the players disapered as would make sense.
This doesn't mean it was a huge conspiracy, but only that perhaps some people in power saw htis as an oppurtunity to further there cause. If you think that some people have qualms about killing thousands of people for a cause you need to read some more history.
To think that the hundreds of people wee involved is idiotic at best. To think that perhaps a small number of 10-25 people maybe...if that were involved in this to some extent trying to use it for a certain cause is more plausible and more believable than thinking a bunch of rag tag muslims somehow fooled the best information gathering entity the world has ever seen.
For example, and this is hypothetical
Agent 1 and 2 get wind of this, they tell supervisor 1, supervisor one notifies his supervisor, who also has friends. They discuss it and see that perhaps this will benefit them in some way (ability to create stricer laws vs citizens thereby concreting there power) So they do nothing and distract agencies from getting involved.
Its called a gamble, we see in the papers it happens everyday with governments. Chances are when what happened became so big, the players disapered as would make sense.
This doesn't mean it was a huge conspiracy, but only that perhaps some people in power saw htis as an oppurtunity to further there cause. If you think that some people have qualms about killing thousands of people for a cause you need to read some more history.
To think that the hundreds of people wee involved is idiotic at best. To think that perhaps a small number of 10-25 people maybe...if that were involved in this to some extent trying to use it for a certain cause is more plausible and more believable than thinking a bunch of rag tag muslims somehow fooled the best information gathering entity the world has ever seen.
!?!?!! No.
Well considering there were 20 hijackers, that means our government's involvement is somewhere between negative five people and five people. Surprisingly I agree... haha.
You are making the argument that you believe it is more probable for a conspiracy that must have involved customs agents, people to provide work permits to the buildings (or complicit supervisors in them), people in the airlines, NORAD agents, etc... etc. is more probable then our intel agencies screwing up?
How about Mcveigh? He did it.
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