Former head of Israel's El Al gives advice America will never follow

[grebe925]

Just the top 3 US airports handle about 30 times the entire population of Israel in a given year.

El Al style security is not practical for the US.

Until the next plane is bombed and then the US pays magnitudes more as airlines lose money or go under as passengers decide not to fly and the government spends tons more on "beefing up security".

At the very least, everyone agrees that the TSA checks currently being conducted at airports is a joke.

 

[K1052]

Until the next plane is bombed and then the US pays magnitudes more as airlines lose money or go under as passengers decide not to fly and the government spends tons more on "beefing up security".

At the very least, everyone agrees that the TSA checks currently being conducted at airports is a joke.

The TSA is definitely a joke. I think our time/money would be better spent on cleaning that up that mess first.

 

[Deleted member 4644]

Honestly, you guys are fucking cowards.

Our country is fucking broke as hell. We are cutting emergency rooms, teachers, street maintenance, and just about every other fricking thing that matters in the daily lives of our people.

Terrorism kills how many Americans every year?

 

[al981]

funny americans. how about you stop invading the middle east? problem solved.

wait no, enjoy your longer waits in line and ever increasing intrusion

 

[SamurAchzar]

funny americans. how about you stop invading the middle east? problem solved.

wait no, enjoy your longer waits in line and ever increasing intrusion

Yes, the American occupation of Iraq before 9/11 was certainly a contributing factor in terrorism. Idiot.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Honestly, you guys are fucking cowards.

Our country is fucking broke as hell. We are cutting emergency rooms, teachers, street maintenance, and just about every other fricking thing that matters in the daily lives of our people.

It's not that we're cowards, it's that you're stupid. Each aircraft terrorism event costs the society billions. With the financial damage caused by 9/11 events, you could run the TSA for years and years.

Terrorism kills how many Americans every year?

Is the concept of prevention really that alien to you?

 

[Thump553]

It's disgusting that we don't have a common sense person like this in charge of our airline security. Instead we have the GOP fretting that TSA may become unionized and blocking appointments of key head personnel to prevent this affront to their sensibilities. And the Administration's reaction is to throw money at a patch on patch technological approach-the full body scanners.

We need to take the politics out of this process and put a good, no-nonsense police chief in charge of it. No security system is perfect, but ours is pathetically bad for all the money thrown at it and all the inconvenience it causes.

And Zebo, we don't pay screeners anywhere near 100K-they get cashiers pay and we hire them out of the same labor pool.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Honestly, you guys are fucking cowards.

Our country is fucking broke as hell. We are cutting emergency rooms, teachers, street maintenance, and just about every other fricking thing that matters in the daily lives of our people.

Terrorism kills how many Americans every year?

Your point..other having nothing to do with this topic??
This has nothing to do with being cowardly...this has a lot to do with a few hundred people being killed by a terrorist...

 

[JEDIYoda]

funny americans. how about you stop invading the middle east? problem solved.

wait no, enjoy your longer waits in line and ever increasing intrusion

That argument and all the arguments concerning our presence in the middle east and our policies being the cause of anything are total nonesense.

Also total nonesense is the argument that poverty is the cause of terrorism...etc...

 

[Zebo]

It's disgusting that we don't have a common sense person like this in charge of our airline security. Instead we have the GOP fretting that TSA may become unionized and blocking appointments of key head personnel to prevent this affront to their sensibilities. And the Administration's reaction is to throw money at a patch on patch technological approach-the full body scanners.

We need to take the politics out of this process and put a good, no-nonsense police chief in charge of it. No security system is perfect, but ours is pathetically bad for all the money thrown at it and all the inconvenience it causes.

And Zebo, we don't pay screeners anywhere near 100K-they get cashiers pay and we hire them out of the same labor pool.

I never said we did. I said we'd need to pay 100k a year to attract the quality of individuals required to screen like Israeli and fire all the reject McDonalds workers they now have.

 

[SamurAchzar]

I never said we did. I said we'd need to pay 100k a year to attract the quality of individuals required to screen like Israeli and fire all the reject McDonalds workers they now have.

Actually Israeli scanners are mostly students doing it as a side job, and certainly make nowhere near 100k. Obviously they are carefully selected and thoroughly trained, but they are not what I'd call "professionals".

 

[Zebo]

Actually Israeli scanners are mostly students doing it as a side job, and certainly make nowhere near 100k. Obviously they are carefully selected and thoroughly trained, but they are not what I'd call "professionals".

Which ones? There are about 6 layers. Entrance screeners , line screener, baggage screeners, Interrogation room screeners, video room screeners, metal detector and x ray screeners. All have various levels or professionalism. And all are trained to spot things out of place, personality issues etc which TSA is not. Instead they hammer everyone looking for items not looking for terrorists, huge difference.

Oh and we basically agree that's why I said only 100K instead of 250K. You don't need a Mossad undercover checking baggage but you do need quality which is more difficult here.

 

[al981]

That argument and all the arguments concerning our presence in the middle east and our policies being the cause of anything are total nonesense.

Also total nonesense is the argument that poverty is the cause of terrorism...etc...

wrong. american policy is the root cause of attacks against america.

"terrorists" didn't wake up one morning and magically declare, "let's start a war against america for no apparent reason because we don't like freedom".

what are you smoking, son?

 

[JEDIYoda]

wrong. american policy is the root cause of attacks against america.

"terrorists" didn't wake up one morning and magically declare, "let's start a war against america for no apparent reason because we don't like freedom".

what are you smoking, son?

First of all it`s commical you being in kindergarten calling abody son!!

Second of all you really have no clue concerning the middle east or the terrorist themserlves.

Our policy are an excuse to wage war.....more importantly if it was`nt us it would be someone else......these type poeple need no justification or excuse to wage war!!

 

[al981]

First of all it`s commical you being in kindergarten calling abody son!!

Second of all you really have no clue concerning the middle east or the terrorist themserlves.

Our policy are an excuse to wage war.....more importantly if it was`nt us it would be someone else......these type poeple need no justification or excuse to wage war!!

son, you're still wrong. "they" didn't wake up one day and magically declare war against america. logic has obviously failed you. why haven't "they" struck democracies that have stayed out of "their" lands?

one more thing, son, adding exclamation marks is a good way to strengthen any internet post, especially if you're dead wrong. are you taking notes?

 

[EagleKeeper]

That argument and all the arguments concerning our presence in the middle east and our policies being the cause of anything are total nonesense.

Also total nonesense is the argument that poverty is the cause of terrorism...etc...

wrong. american policy is the root cause of attacks against america.

"terrorists" didn't wake up one morning and magically declare, "let's start a war against america for no apparent reason because we don't like freedom".

what are you smoking, son?

What about terrorism attacks in other areas of the world by the same type of fanatics?
Africa/Asia/Russia.
Most anywhere where the terrorists can recruit and blend in an operative, they will have done so.

It is the American/Western values that they despise - the US is just the biggest target and the most tolerating which allowed easier access

 

[SamurAchzar]

son, you're still wrong. "they" didn't wake up one day and magically declare war against america. logic has obviously failed you. why haven't "they" struck democracies that have stayed out of "their" lands?

one more thing, son, adding exclamation marks is a good way to strengthen any internet post, especially if you're dead wrong. are you taking notes?

How about Spain? The Philippines? Bali? Each other? You have no clue, have you.

 

[al981]

What about terrorism attacks in other areas of the world by the same type of fanatics?
Africa/Asia/Russia.
Most anywhere where the terrorists can recruit and blend in an operative, they will have done so.

It is the American/Western values that they despise - the US is just the biggest target and the most tolerating which allowed easier access

so who started invading / meddling with who first?

was it arabs / muslims / islam who hit america first in history? or did america meddle in middle eastern affairs, overthrow their governments, install brutal dictatorships that forever planted seeds of hatred and revenge. yeah, i thought so.

as you can see, common courtesy, "they" hate those so called "values" of ours. like i said, they didn't wake up one day in the 1800s and hate the nation of america, but you can keep deluding yourself.........

 

[al981]

How about Spain? The Philippines? Bali? Each other? You have no clue, have you.

see above reply to common.

and here's your chance to dodge: what about countries full of "western values" that these dirty terrorists have never touched / and never will want to attack? see switzerland and taiwan. who have they invaded recently? oh, wait. inc your excuses.

 

[JEDIYoda]

see above reply to common.

and here's your chance to dodge: what about countries full of "western values" that these dirty terrorists have never touched / and never will want to attack? see switzerland and taiwan. who have they invaded recently? oh, wait. inc your excuses.

Why does he need to reply to your diatribe?
It`s obvious you have no clue what you are talking about.

Then you mis-represent what Common Courtesy is saying......

What part of --- It is the American/Western values that they despise - the US is just the biggest target and the most tolerating which allowed easier access

Common Courtesy did NOT agree with your false and mis-leading diatribe!!

 

[tvarad]

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We need to take the politics out of this process and put a good, no-nonsense police chief in charge of it. No security system is perfect, but ours is pathetically bad for all the money thrown at it and all the inconvenience it causes.....

You've hit the nail on the head. We need a can-do head of airport security who can be shielded from the political flak while he or she rips out all the bureaucratese in the TSA and implements procedures and processes that are sure to draw howls from the PC crowd. It would be like how New York City was turned around in the '80s despite all the political road-blocks.

 

[dennilfloss]

Instead of relying too much on technology, we should do like El Al does, with technology being an accessory tool, not with it as the main tool. Otherwise, what will happen when someone finds a way to defeat the body scanner by carrying the explosives inside his body with just a string linked to a friction igniter (like those Christmas crackers/pétards) coming out?