Former Clinton staffer and Democrat soccermom leaves the party of stupid

[bamacre]

Podcast, Lew Rockwell interviews Naomi Wolf...

Audio Interview (embedded flash audio)

Direct MP3 file download

This is a great listen, and it isn't Rockwell asking all the questions. Seems Wolf is still learning and asking questions. She seems to have found, finally, a party that actually stands for freedom and liberty. And at time when these ideals seem to be slipping away.

Some of you may have seen a Naomi Wolf speech, but her message has been made into a movie, which you can watch online here...

http://www.snagfilms.com/films...ch/the_end_of_america/

 

[miketheidiot]

if she were leaving the party of stupid, wouldn't she be leaving the libertarian party?

 

[NoStateofMind]

Both the audio and video were great. But I am saddened by the fact most will ignore it.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Both the audio and video were great. But I am saddened by the fact most will ignore it.

It's sad, of course, because you know you ideological dream is totally irrelevant in the real world and there's nothing you can do to change that. You have a message nobody gives a shit about because you're not interested in winning but only whining.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Both the audio and video were great. But I am saddened by the fact most will ignore it.

It's sad, of course, because you know you ideological dream is totally irrelevant in the real world and there's nothing you can do to change that. You have a message nobody gives a shit about because you're not interested in winning but only whining.

No one gives a shit, Moonbeam, because those bigoted Republicans think they get fiscal conservatism from Republicans, and those anti-war Democrats think they get no war with Democrats. No one gives a shit when they're asleep.

Will President Obama get rid of all those nasty powers Bush granted government?

 

[Moonbeam]

Here's one you can ignore.

 

[NoStateofMind]

whatever

 

[Moonbeam]

Define "my ideological dream" then define the "real world".

M: Libertarianism, the two party world you see.

You can say that, doesn't mean its true.

M: It's a fact so far.

Prove that statement correct or STFU. Kindly. Thank you.

M: Libertarianism attracts little attention. That is a fact. If there were anything there they would be able at least to get some notice. The fact they don't implies that Libertarians exist to satisfy some other need than to create change. The obvious one is to form a club of miserable nattering nabobs of negativity who can circle jerk and bitch as we constantly see in so many threads.

And you won't STFU so why should I? You're welcome.

I told you, you guys are a bunch of day dreamy idealists who are afraid of committing some sin, like voting pragmatically for the lesser of two evils because you're absolutist nut-balls and nerds, to egotistically pure and delusional to get dirt under your nails. Read the article I posted about one such nut who awakened from his dream.

 

[Moonbeam]

By the way, Libertarians for Obama have a name. They are called, get this originality, Obamatarians.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Here's one you can ignore.

It's about time. Gene Burns has been a foolish libertarian for a very long time, espousing highly falcious views based on the ideology.

I recall that one time, he called for reducing government by ending all imprisonment of illegal immigrants for any crime, replacing it with deportation.

I spoke with him and tried to explain a couple of things to him. One was that the people would *not* face any criminal trials back in Mexico for their crimes here; Mexico had no incentive to prosecute and no ability to, with all the locations, evidence, and witnesses to the crimes here. Secondly, I explained to him that it was very dangerous to tell a group of over 10 million people that prison was no longer a risk for them. It would create an instant pool of people who would be able to commit serious crimes, perhaps for hire, and some more willing to because of the lack of punishment. Want to hire a murder? You only have to pay someone the price who is at risk for deportation. It's nuts.

He wouldn't listen, and tried to argue that I was implying that those good hard-working Mexicans were more criminal than Americans. Before I could answer that I wasn't saying that at all and the same problem would exist if he made a large group of Americans immune from prison and subject only to deportation to Mexico, he quickly broke off the conversation.

But he seems to be coming to his senses a bit now.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Let's make sure we see all the text as to not allow one of us to skate free on BS.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Both the audio and video were great. But I am saddened by the fact most will ignore it.

It's sad, of course, because you know you ideological dream is totally irrelevant in the real world

Define "my ideological dream" then define the "real world".

Libertarianism, the two party world you see.

So my ideology is libertarianism? Maybe, but then again, you aren't just denouncing me, but also the founding fathers of this nation. But you won't adhere to that, you know so much more and are so much better.

LOL @ the two party system being the "real world". That is idiocy in action moonbeamer. To think the only two party's have a say in what government does is ignorance and flat out denying your responsibility to stand up for what you believe in. You gave up and gave in. Sorry about your luck, but your Obismal Obama will do nothing to decrease the size of government, end needless occupations or shrink the powers that bush instituted. You wanna talk about dreams eh? You are fucking living in one you blind bat.

and there's nothing you can do to change that.

You can say that, doesn't mean its true.

It's a fact so far.

At least you have an ounce of reason left, you admit "not yet" meaning it can. Hence you voided your own argument "nothing you can do to change that".

You have a message nobody gives a shit about because you're not interested in winning but only whining.

Prove that statement correct or STFU. Kindly. Thank you.

Libertarianism attracts little attention. That is a fact. If there were anything there they would be able at least to get some notice. The fact they don't implies that Libertarians exist to satisfy some other need than to create change. The obvious one is to form a club of miserable nattering nabobs of negativity who can circle jerk and bitch as we constantly see in so many threads.

You fail, miserably I might add, in proving that "nobody gives a shit about" the libertarian message. In fact, I know of 1.2 million people that give a shit, and that, totally obliterates your factless ignorant claim. The second part of your claim was and is equally asinine. You didn't prove that point either but I should expect as much from you as of late.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Let's make sure we see all the text as to not allow one of us to skate free on BS.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Both the audio and video were great. But I am saddened by the fact most will ignore it.

It's sad, of course, because you know you ideological dream is totally irrelevant in the real world

Define "my ideological dream" then define the "real world".

Libertarianism, the two party world you see.

So my ideology is libertarianism? Maybe, but then again, you aren't just denouncing me, but also the founding fathers of this nation. But you won't adhere to that, you know so much more and are so much better.

LOL @ the two party system being the "real world". That is idiocy in action moonbeamer. To think the only two party's have a say in what government does is ignorance and flat out denying your responsibility to stand up for what you believe in. You gave up and gave in. Sorry about your luck, but your Obismal Obama will do nothing to decrease the size of government, end needless occupations or shrink the powers that bush instituted. You wanna talk about dreams eh? You are fucking living in one you blind bat.

and there's nothing you can do to change that.

You can say that, doesn't mean its true.

It's a fact so far.

At least you have an ounce of reason left, you admit "not yet" meaning it can. Hence you voided your own argument "nothing you can do to change that".

You have a message nobody gives a shit about because you're not interested in winning but only whining.

Prove that statement correct or STFU. Kindly. Thank you.

Libertarianism attracts little attention. That is a fact. If there were anything there they would be able at least to get some notice. The fact they don't implies that Libertarians exist to satisfy some other need than to create change. The obvious one is to form a club of miserable nattering nabobs of negativity who can circle jerk and bitch as we constantly see in so many threads.

You fail, miserably I might add, in proving that "nobody gives a shit about" the libertarian message. In fact, I know of 1.2 million people that give a shit, and that, totally obliterates your factless ignorant claim. The second part of your claim was and is equally asinine. You didn't prove that point either but I should expect as much from you as of late.

Hey we get it, you guys are special because you supported a crackpot instead of the usual 2 party Evil.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Both the audio and video were great. But I am saddened by the fact most will ignore it.

It's sad, of course, because you know you ideological dream is totally irrelevant in the real world and there's nothing you can do to change that. You have a message nobody gives a shit about because you're not interested in winning but only whining.

Karl Rove was certainly interested in winning, and would do almost anything to win. Is he your hero?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Hey we get it, you guys are special because you supported a crackpot instead of the usual 2 party Evil.

Do you get this basic, bottom line, simple and clear view of who you are, PC? Can you take it in?

Us dirty little people are going to be voting for somebody who is going to win, somebody real and tangible and not a dream, somebody we hope will improve things better than the other dork who would win if we failed to vote for him, somebody who will have two houses to support him if we can, via political pressure, push his to do the right thing. And we will do this while you cry and bitch because the fantasy you live in remains just that.

The dog may bark but the caravan moves on.

I have no problems with your values. Where's your candidate that can win? Produce somebody with a message people will listen to, somebody who can win. Show me the movement, show me your huge wave. Maybe start with some congressmen. Lets see some many tens of millions and some democratic and republican fear. Right now you got nutten that interests me.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Here's one you can ignore.

It's about time. Gene Burns has been a foolish libertarian for a very long time, espousing highly falcious views based on the ideology.

I recall that one time, he called for reducing government by ending all imprisonment of illegal immigrants for any crime, replacing it with deportation.

I spoke with him and tried to explain a couple of things to him. One was that the people would *not* face any criminal trials back in Mexico for their crimes here; Mexico had no incentive to prosecute and no ability to, with all the locations, evidence, and witnesses to the crimes here. Secondly, I explained to him that it was very dangerous to tell a group of over 10 million people that prison was no longer a risk for them. It would create an instant pool of people who would be able to commit serious crimes, perhaps for hire, and some more willing to because of the lack of punishment. Want to hire a murder? You only have to pay someone the price who is at risk for deportation. It's nuts.

He wouldn't listen, and tried to argue that I was implying that those good hard-working Mexicans were more criminal than Americans. Before I could answer that I wasn't saying that at all and the same problem would exist if he made a large group of Americans immune from prison and subject only to deportation to Mexico, he quickly broke off the conversation.

But he seems to be coming to his senses a bit now.

Hehe, he can be a lesson in the dangers of taking a position and then later filling in reasons for holding that view.

 

[Robor]

Meh, you guys are just pointing fingers from the stands because your party isn't relevant, involved, or bearing any responsibility. Classic armchair QB's.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
if she were leaving the party of stupid, wouldn't she be leaving the libertarian party?

OH BWAAAHAHAAHAAHAHA!!! I see what you did there! You are a clever man! Calling yourself "miketheidiot" makes you even more subtly clever!

 

[Stuxnet]

All I want to know is, why does anyone argue with Moonbeam? It's like trying to have a coherent conversation with Willy Wonka.

 

[Xavier434]

Call me when you guys are even listed on the presidential ballot by more than 50% of the states...

One word: "Representation"

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Both the audio and video were great. But I am saddened by the fact most will ignore it.

It's sad, of course, because you know you ideological dream is totally irrelevant in the real world and there's nothing you can do to change that. You have a message nobody gives a shit about because you're not interested in winning but only whining.

No one gives a shit, Moonbeam, because those bigoted Republicans think they get fiscal conservatism from Republicans, and those anti-war Democrats think they get no war with Democrats. No one gives a shit when they're asleep.

Will President Obama get rid of all those nasty powers Bush granted government?

And do the loony libertarians have any chance of getting elected into office?

Well?

Do they???

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Both the audio and video were great. But I am saddened by the fact most will ignore it.

It's sad, of course, because you know you ideological dream is totally irrelevant in the real world and there's nothing you can do to change that. You have a message nobody gives a shit about because you're not interested in winning but only whining.

No one gives a shit, Moonbeam, because those bigoted Republicans think they get fiscal conservatism from Republicans, and those anti-war Democrats think they get no war with Democrats. No one gives a shit when they're asleep.

Will President Obama get rid of all those nasty powers Bush granted government?

And do the loony libertarians have any chance of getting elected into office?

Well?

Do they???

Nope. They just point fingers and blame the 2 party system.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Both the audio and video were great. But I am saddened by the fact most will ignore it.

It's sad, of course, because you know you ideological dream is totally irrelevant in the real world and there's nothing you can do to change that. You have a message nobody gives a shit about because you're not interested in winning but only whining.

No one gives a shit, Moonbeam, because those bigoted Republicans think they get fiscal conservatism from Republicans, and those anti-war Democrats think they get no war with Democrats. No one gives a shit when they're asleep.

Will President Obama get rid of all those nasty powers Bush granted government?

And do the loony libertarians have any chance of getting elected into office?

Well?

Do they???

Nope, not if our system of representation has even a tiny speck of effectiveness left in it. Hardly anyone wants them in office regardless of how "right" or "wrong" they are. That is the entire point of representation.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
Call me when you guys are even listed on the presidential ballot by more than 50% of the states...

One word: "Representation"

I'm not sure what the point of your response is. I associate myself with the Libertarian party, but because there's no true representation on the ballot, does that mean I should just "give it up" and align myself with the left (the unpredictable dumb) or the right (the predictable dumb)?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
All I want to know is, why does anyone argue with Moonbeam? It's like trying to have a coherent conversation with Willy Wonka.

How would you know. This isn't an argument, it's a stupid comment. Where's your case? Provide specific examples. Be brief, coherent, and incisive.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: jbourne77
All I want to know is, why does anyone argue with Moonbeam? It's like trying to have a coherent conversation with Willy Wonka.

How would you know. This isn't an argument, it's a stupid comment. Where's your case? Provide specific examples. Be brief, coherent, and incisive.

Moonie, I'd like to quote you from another thread:

"Humanity has to awaken."

Indeed.

I can no longer vote for either Democrats or Republicans (generally speaking on both) in good consciensce, so I won't.