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Forgotten Experiment May Explain Origins of Life

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http://blog.wired.com/wiredsci...er.html?npu=1&mbid=yhp

Forgotten Experiment May Explain Origins of Life

Originally considered a dud, an old volcano-in-a-bottle experiment designed to mimic conditions that may have brewed the components of life might have been right on target.

After reanalyzing the results of unpublished research conducted by Stanley Miller in 1953, chemists realized that his experiment had actually produced a wealth of amino acids ? the protein foundation of life.

Miller is famed for the results of experiments on amino acid formation in a jar filled with methane, hydrogen and ammonia ? his version of the primordial soup. However, his estimates of atmospheric composition were eventually considered inaccurate. The experiment became regarded as a general rather than useful example of how the first organic molecules may have assembled.

But the latest results, derived from samples found in an old box by one of Miller's former graduate students, come from a device that mimicked volcanic conditions now believed to have existed three billion years ago. The findings suggest that amino acids could have formed when lightning struck pools of gas on the flanks of volcanoes, and are a fitting coda for the late father of prebiotic chemistry.


"What's amazing is that he did it," said study co-author Jeffrey Bada, a Scripps Institute of Oceanography biochemist and Miller's former student. "All I did is have access to his extracts."

Bada stumbled across the original experiment by accident when a colleague of Miller's mentioned having seen a box of experimental samples in Miller's office. Bada, who inherited Miller's scientific possessions after his death in 2007, found the box ? literally labeled "1953-1954 experiments" ? in his own office.

Inside it were samples taken by Miller from a device that spewed a concentrated stream of primordial gases over an electrical spark. It was a high-powered variation on the steady-steam apparatus that earned him fame ? but unlike that device, it appeared to have produced few amino acids, and was unmentioned in his landmark 1953 Science study, "A Production of Amino Acids Under Possible Primitive Earth Conditions."

But Miller didn't have access to high-performance liquid chromatography, which lets chemists break down and classify samples with once-unthinkable levels of precision. And when Bada's team reanalyzed the disregarded samples, they found no fewer than 22 amino acids, several of which were never seen by Miller in a lifetime of primordial modeling.

Perhaps amino acids first formed when the gases in Miller's device accumulated around active volcanoes, said Bada. "Instead of having global synthesis of organic molecules, you had a lot of little localized factories in the form of these volcanic islands," he said.

"The amino acid precursors formed in a plume and concentrated along tidal shores. They settled in the water, underwent further reactions there, and as they washed along the shore, became concentrated and underwent further polymerization events," explained Indiana University biochemist Adam Johnson, a co-author of the study. "And lightning" ? the final catalyst in the equation ? "tends to be extremely common with volcanic eruptions."

Luke Leman, a Scripps Institute biochemist who was not involved in the study, published today in Science, agreed.

"These findings add to a growing body of literature suggesting that areas near volcanoes could have been hotspots of organic chemistry on early Earth," he said.

Leman continued, "These findings will likely inspire a next generation of prebiotic chemists, much as Miller's original experimental results have inspired the field for more than fifty years."

Added Bada, "There's a lesson here: don't throw anything away."




I didn't find this using a search, so I hope its not a repost.
Interesting, because while just creating amino acids doesn't show that it did evolve into life, it is one step in process and will certainly drive th intelligent design people crazy.
 

techs

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Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
May the Flying Spaghetti Monster have mercy on your heretical soul.
I haven't heard that expression in quite some time. A guy on another board used to have that in his sig.

 

Gothgar

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interesting... so maybe the LHC actually did collide particles then and we won't know for a while... /shiftyeyes
 

DomS

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I thought this was well known...We had talked about this in my freshman (highschool) bio class back in like 1996. It's still interesting though.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
May the Flying Spaghetti Monster have mercy on your heretical soul.
I haven't heard that expression in quite some time. A guy on another board used to have that in his sig.

The blasphemers regularly abbreviate His noodly name with "FSM."

Everyone with eyes to see knows that life, the universe and everything was created by His noodly-ness the Flying Spaghetti Monster on the 42nd day. The Miller experiment was Intelligently Designed!

RAmen.
 

Jeff7

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They already proved that this is total BS, since jars of peanut butter don't spontaneously come to life.

 

Cerpin Taxt

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
They already proved that this is total BS, since jars of peanut butter don't spontaneously come to life.

And tornadoes don't spontaneously assemble jetliners as they pass through junkyards.

He who has ears, let him hear!
 

techs

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Originally posted by: DomS
I thought this was well known...We had talked about this in my freshman (highschool) bio class back in like 1996. It's still interesting though.


Yes, I remember learning it back in high school also, back in 1978.
That's why it caught my eye.
 

SphinxnihpS

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Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
Originally posted by: Jeff7
They already proved that this is total BS, since jars of peanut butter don't spontaneously come to life.

And tornadoes don't spontaneously assemble jetliners as they pass through junkyards.

He who has ears, let him hear!

Are you quoting the SotM in earnest? Are you serious?
 

Cerpin Taxt

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Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
Originally posted by: Jeff7
They already proved that this is total BS, since jars of peanut butter don't spontaneously come to life.

And tornadoes don't spontaneously assemble jetliners as they pass through junkyards.

He who has ears, let him hear!

Are you quoting the SotM in earnest? Are you serious?

Sorry, I should keep in mind that not everyone's sarcasm meter is calibrated for high sensitivity.
 

SphinxnihpS

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Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
Originally posted by: Jeff7
They already proved that this is total BS, since jars of peanut butter don't spontaneously come to life.

And tornadoes don't spontaneously assemble jetliners as they pass through junkyards.

He who has ears, let him hear!

Are you quoting the SotM in earnest? Are you serious?

Sorry, I should keep in mind that not everyone's sarcasm meter is calibrated for high sensitivity.

Hey we have some Bible beaters here, and I can't keep everyone straight, so just asking. I thought clever joke, but I wanted to be sure.

In fact, my sarcasm meter is always on high, but I have found very few people here that aren't completely academically serious all the time.
 

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Well if one guy claims to have made the experiment work it should be reproducible right? Lets seem someone else make it work.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
May the Flying Spaghetti Monster have mercy on your heretical soul.

Good thing God said "Let there be life" and threw down that lightning bolt :p
 
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Originally posted by: LS8
Well if one guy claims to have made the experiment work it should be reproducible right? Lets seem someone else make it work.

This experiment has been repeated multiple times with maync ombinations of gases. Many of them create huge amounts of life proteins
 

BeauJangles

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
They already proved that this is total BS, since jars of peanut butter don't spontaneously come to life.

I don't understand this "evidence" when it's presented by the anti-evolution crowd. People expect a horse, dog, or mule to jump out of the jar of peanut butter and attack them. They don't seem to realize that the life formed in a jar of peanut butter, or in a device like the one described, would be single-celled in nature and invisible to the naked eye.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: DomS
I thought this was well known...We had talked about this in my freshman (highschool) bio class back in like 1996. It's still interesting though.


Yes, I remember learning it back in high school also, back in 1978.
That's why it caught my eye.

The experiment is well-known. The news that you posted involves a re-examination of it, which seems to show more relevance than previously thought.
 

LS8

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Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: LS8
Well if one guy claims to have made the experiment work it should be reproducible right? Lets seem someone else make it work.

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Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Originally posted by: LS8
Well if one guy claims to have made the experiment work it should be reproducible right? Lets seem someone else make it work.

This experiment has been repeated multiple times with maync ombinations of gases. Many of them create huge amounts of life proteins

Ok so if this is the case why are we reading about this supposedly "forgotten" experiment? Essentially this isn't news then.
 
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Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Originally posted by: Jeff7
They already proved that this is total BS, since jars of peanut butter don't spontaneously come to life.

I don't understand this "evidence" when it's presented by the anti-evolution crowd. People expect a horse, dog, or mule to jump out of the jar of peanut butter and attack them. They don't seem to realize that the life formed in a jar of peanut butter, or in a device like the one described, would be single-celled in nature and invisible to the naked eye.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It's as if Jeff is saying that because a jar of peanut butter doesn't spontaneously grow legs and start running around, life couldn't possibly have started in this manner. To which I will counter with the single biggest factor in evolutionary theory: time.

Scientists believe life began over 3 and a half billion years ago. Life started small, as microscopic single celled organisms. This was the norm for the next 2 billion years. Around 1.2 billion years ago, the first multi-cellular organisms enter the fossil record, in the form of algaes. It takes another 700 million years before life really takes hold in the Cambrian explosion, venturing onto land and spreading across the Earth. Just because your jar of peanut butter doesn't spontaneously grow legs is NOT an argument against abiogenesis; watch the jar for 3 billion years, and if nothing happens, then you may have a case.
 

SirStev0

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by forgotten I think he meant "taught by every freshmen bio class in america (well maybe not the bible belt)".
 

SphinxnihpS

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Originally posted by: SirStev0
by forgotten I think he meant "taught by every freshmen bio class in america (well maybe not the bible belt)".

The famous picture of the brown goo in a flask with electrodes is in every science book up to college. It was recreated on Cosmos, it was recreated on numerous other science shows.

Nope, never heard of it.