Forecast for Dem primaries: Ugly, ugly and more ugly

PJABBER

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Asked if MoveOn’s threat was a problem for the party, the strategist responded: “[Expletive] yes.”

Well, you can't say that you did not see it coming.

I brought it up a few times as the most likely scenario that would play out in the mid-term elections and, sure enough, the Dems are well on the way to self-destructing. Again.

How can a political Party that advocates so pitilessly for political correctness tolerate any level of dissent within its own ranks?

The ascendancy of the "progressives," roughly equivalent to the Taliban of Islam, insured that there would be a Great Purge before long, and any number of centrists would feel threatened by the wholesale abandonment of moderation.

The euphoria of a victory predicated on an aged opponent's very moderation, a perpetual candidate like Obama that sounds so good and delivers so little, and the malaise of eight years of unrelenting character assassination by a media wholly in the pocket is still no sound base for achieving harmony within.

Organizations like MoveOn.org are stoking the fires for the heretics, while Dems from Red states wonder who will have their back.

This article focuses on U.S. Senate races. The more interesting result will be in the House races. And those are not looking any more favorable to the Party which has finally shown its true colors to the electorate after doing their best to echo Republicans in their campaigns.

The Republicans are going through their own internal discussions, of course. Traditionally, they have muddled through to a consensus that takes years to run its course before inevitably diverting to ruin. This year they are showing themselves to be surprisingly cohesive in the face of overwhelming adversity. The message they will come to is one they have embraced consistently, yet failed to stay steady to - fiscal conservatism, strong national defense and economic opportunity.

It is likely the Republicans will have the message that resonates in 2010, because the Democrats finally got what they wanted - the stage all to themselves.

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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29821.html

Forecast for Dem primaries: Ugly
By: Alex Isenstadt
POLITICO
November 23, 2009 04:30 AM EST

Republicans aren’t the only ones staring at the unnerving prospect of a 2010 primary season filled with smash-mouth intraparty contests that threaten to distract the party and leave Senate nominees bloodied and cash-depleted.

In a handful of next year’s most competitive Senate races — and for a few of the Democratic Party’s most precariously perched incumbents — discordant Democratic primaries are already taking shape, complicating a midterm election landscape in which the party will be playing defense for the first time in four years.

In some cases, the Democrat-on-Democrat fights are simply about ambition. In others, ideology is at the heart of the conflict. The common denominator is that the intraparty battles stand to divert critical resources and divide the party at an especially inopportune time.

“There are a couple of big [states] that should concern them,” said Jennifer Duffy, a senior editor for the nonpartisan Cook Political Report. “It may not tear the national party apart, but does it tear the party apart in some states?”

The most closely watched Senate primary is in Pennsylvania, where Sen. Arlen Specter and Rep. Joe Sestak are slugging it out in unusually personal terms.

Specter has cast Sestak as ineffective and opportunistic, attacking him for his failure to register to vote in Pennsylvania until shortly before launching his 2006 congressional campaign and labeling the two-term congressman as “No Show Joe” — a reference to the House votes Sestak has missed while pursuing the Senate nomination.

Not to be outdone, Sestak has assailed the party-switching incumbent’s character, referring to Specter as a “flight risk” for Democrats and reminding the party rank and file of Specter’s decades-long career as a Republican. Last month, Sestak launched a website dedicated to “The Real Arlen Specter,” featuring quotes Specter would rather forget and past tributes to the five-term incumbent from a cast of GOP heavies including President George W. Bush, Sen. Rick Santorum, Vice President Dick Cheney and Bush adviser Karl Rove.

While Democrats are buoyed by polling that suggests either candidate would run competitively against presumptive Republican nominee Pat Toomey, Republicans are nevertheless enjoying the show, applauding Sestak’s attacks on Specter’s left flank in the hopes that both will be drawn further leftward in the battle to win over the Democratic base of activists.

“It’s going to be beyond ugly,” said Terry Madonna, director of the Franklin and Marshall College poll, speaking to the tone of the May primary. “I think it’s going to be at a level that’s virtually unprecedented.”

In that sense, Pennsylvania’s vitriolic Democratic contest resembles the one in Kentucky, where Lt. Gov. Dan Mongiardo and state Attorney General Jack Conway have been at each other’s throats for months.

In just the past week alone, Mongiardo accused Conway of selling out coal-dependent Kentucky by investing millions of dollars in a Texas energy company “that favors natural gas over developing Kentucky coal” and for failing to disclose his purchases of stock in the firm.

Conway has called the charges “flat-out false” and responded by accusing Mongiardo of having his own natural gas investments. Last week, Conway put out a news release asking, “If Steve Beshear Can’t Trust Dan Mongiardo, Why Should Kentucky Voters?” — a riff on Mongiardo’s well-known tension with the state’s Democratic governor.

Conway has also questioned the lieutenant governor’s ethics, tagging his foe “Double-Dip Dan.”

“Is Dr. Dan hiding his income, cheating on his taxes, overbilling the Kentucky Medicaid Program, lying on his federal and state disclosures or all of the above?” reads another press release, referring to Mongiardo’s medical practice.

“The fight’s gotten pretty nasty,” said Al Cross, director of the Institute for Rural Journalism and Community Issues at the University of Kentucky. “They’re getting pretty nasty pretty early.”

While contested primaries can sometimes prove beneficial, enabling
 
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MotF Bane

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How can a political Party that advocates so pitilessly for political correctness tolerate any level of dissent within its own ranks?

The ascendancy of the "progressives," roughly equivalent to the Taliban of Islam, insured that there would be a Great Purge before long, and any number of centrists would feel threatened by the wholesale abandonment of moderation.

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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How can a political Party that advocates so pitilessly for social conservatism tolerate any level of dissent within its own ranks?

The ascendancy of the "neo-conservatives," roughly equivalent to the Taliban of Islam, insured that there would be a Great Purge before long, and any number of centrists would feel threatened by the wholesale abandonment of moderation.
Just three words.
 
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PJABBER

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AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Just three words.

Surprisingly, I did not laugh when I read this story. I saw it coming. But I was willing to give the Dem Party a chance to show it can do more than just spend taxpayer money on favored constituencies and failed social programs.

Well, the internal debate will be interesting, what with the George Soros financed wing taking on the remnants of the center. I'm stocking up on popcorn.
 

PJABBER

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Fixed for you.

And you are the only one that seems to have trouble distinguishing opinion from fact PJABBER.

Back in the rabbit hole you go!

BTW, LOVED your starring role in the Raving Rabbids series. Looking forward to checking out the latest!

http://rabbids.us.ubi.com/rabbidsgohome/

For now, I have to get started packing for my couple of days off for Turkey Day. Am hoping to spend it at Plymouth Rock with all of the guys in the band and the groupies, too!

Adios, muchachos!
 
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Lemon law

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I kind of wonder if threads like this change any minds. Sure the prospect of some democratic schisms may get a few Republican salivating, but still, PJABBER has to remember that regardless of which dem wins in the democratic primary will go on to face a GOP nominee in the general election.

Worse yet, as I have previously pointed out, the prospect of primary elections will mainly light fires under the butts of bluedog democrats, who will have to face the ire of their own democratic voters if they were the rascals that helped kill democratic initiatives. Most politicians want to go into an election with a list of legislation they helped pass and not the other way around.

The GOP went to the voters in 2006 and 2008 as the obstructionist party, and the American voter gave the GOP a dope slap each time.

As for the GOP 2010 primaries, they should be amply entertaining also.
 

Zebo

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Well, you can't say that you did not see it coming.


How can a political Party that advocates so pitilessly for political correctness tolerate any level of dissent within its own ranks?

That's a bunch of BS. The democrats are not lock step - in fact there is a huge split between the DLC corporate democrats who are foisting this insurance company protection act upon us and the liberals. This divide is clear to see and the DLC types dominance will have many Dems and independents sitting at home sweeping in Republicans again.
 

PJABBER

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I kind of wonder if threads like this change any minds. Sure the prospect of some democratic schisms may get a few Republican salivating, but still, PJABBER has to remember that regardless of which dem wins in the democratic primary will go on to face a GOP nominee in the general election.

Worse yet, as I have previously pointed out, the prospect of primary elections will mainly light fires under the butts of bluedog democrats, who will have to face the ire of their own democratic voters if they were the rascals that helped kill democratic initiatives. Most politicians want to go into an election with a list of legislation they helped pass and not the other way around.

The GOP went to the voters in 2006 and 2008 as the obstructionist party, and the American voter gave the GOP a dope slap each time.

As for the GOP 2010 primaries, they should be amply entertaining also.

I thought I would mention that I seldom post to change people's minds. The articles I post and comment on relate to topics I have an interest in and would like to engage in some substantive back and forth on.

A news article detailing the pending schism of the Democrat Party is not a criticism of the Democrats, but an identification of a structural issue the Party has had for many, many years and now again raising itself despite the thrall of victory and dominance.

The primaries of 2010 are likely to strengthen the Republicans and weaken the Democrats. The next elections are the Republicans to lose.

I think they will win back the Congress despite themselves. Should they have a coherent message and focus on the three issues I mentioned above - fiscal conservatism, strong national defense and economic opportunity - they will win big.

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Sorry to leave it at that, but it is time to spend some time with the kids! Not you guys, mine!
 

Lemon law

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Maybe PJABBER is correct in saying, "I thought I would mention that I seldom post to change people's minds."

And I suggest you may instead be posting to fuel your own delusions. And if the latter is true, you seem to be doing a fine job of deluding only yourself.
 

Fear No Evil

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Maybe PJABBER is correct in saying, "I thought I would mention that I seldom post to change people's minds."

And I suggest you may instead be posting to fuel your own delusions. And if the latter is true, you seem to be doing a fine job of deluding only yourself.

Yet you guys seem unable to refute any of the stuff he posts and resort to name calling and personal attacks. At least PJ can post something coherent other than 'ARGHHHHHHH!!!!! SPAM!! WOT!!!! TROLL!! ARRGHHH!'
 

DealMonkey

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More crystal ball prognosticating from our resident conservative. Well, of course you went and found an article that supports your lame position of <fill in the blank>. There's a stupid opinion piece that purports to predict the future for all political persuasions.

</golf clap>
 

DealMonkey

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Back in the rabbit hole you go!
Am hoping to spend it at Plymouth Rock with all of the guys in the band and the groupies, too!
You should switch your plans to hanging out with Fraggle Rock and the vapid muppet heads that make up the tea-bagging conservative (bowel) movement.
 

OrByte

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Yet you guys seem unable to refute any of the stuff he posts and resort to name calling and personal attacks. At least PJ can post something coherent other than 'ARGHHHHHHH!!!!! SPAM!! WOT!!!! TROLL!! ARRGHHH!'

THERE IS NOTHING TO REFUTE IN HIS POSTS

It is ALL OPINION. Didn't you read it? Did you read the last one about Obamanomics?

Its just opinion pieces.

WRT this particular thread I happen to agree with the opinion on the article, to a certain extent.

But what I am going to refute an opinion with? another OPINION?!?! Who the fuck cares what some republican thinks about the democratic party? Ohhhh some Republican strategist said something bad about the Dems. ..OOOoooOOOooo big deal that is!!

Or some Dem strategist is wringing his hands about the midterm elections OOOOooOOOooo SHOCKER!!

I swear sometimes you people just want to be antagonistic just for the sake of being antagonistic. Its stupid. Really stupid.
 

shadow9d9

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Yet you guys seem unable to refute any of the stuff he posts and resort to name calling and personal attacks. At least PJ can post something coherent other than 'ARGHHHHHHH!!!!! SPAM!! WOT!!!! TROLL!! ARRGHHH!'

It is impossible to "refute" opinions.

Opinion piece spam is getting tiresome here. We get it that you guys run on fear and paranoia... try facts instead of opinions to persuade people.
 

shadow9d9

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Oh, btw... didn't the Democrats just pick up a house seat that had been controlled by the republicans since the civil war? Oh yes.. the forecast is AWFUL!
 

Fear No Evil

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THERE IS NOTHING TO REFUTE IN HIS POSTS

It is ALL OPINION. Didn't you read it? Did you read the last one about Obamanomics?

Its just opinion pieces.

WRT this particular thread I happen to agree with the opinion on the article, to a certain extent.

But what I am going to refute an opinion with? another OPINION?!?! Who the fuck cares what some republican thinks about the democratic party? Ohhhh some Republican strategist said something bad about the Dems. ..OOOoooOOOooo big deal that is!!

Or some Dem strategist is wringing his hands about the midterm elections OOOOooOOOooo SHOCKER!!

I swear sometimes you people just want to be antagonistic just for the sake of being antagonistic. Its stupid. Really stupid.

Ok my opinion is that you are a dimwit. But you can't refute that since its an opinion piece.. :rolleyes: