Ford's CEO Mulally says internal combustion engines are #1 priority...

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: desy
Wow
1 million cars, SINCE THEY STARTED
So they've probably made what 80 million cars in the 10 yrs the Prius has been in production so 1.25% of their total manufacturing

What were they doing over 98% the time otherwise?

They started making gas guzzling SUV/Trucks about the same time

Shame on them for making cars that Americans wanted to buy. And Detroit has sold how many hybrids?

Detroit makes several hybrids, there seems to be a shortage of buyers. Ford was prepared to make 45k Escapes in 2006 but only sold 22k.

If you want to criticize strategy, Toyota is going to take in in the shorts on their gas guzzlers, they entered the market too late, capital costs are going to kill their bottom line. Hows that for a business model.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Look at what Ford's CEO said today:

Roberts: General Motors has got an electric car coming out. It's not going to come out until 2010, 2011. Does Ford have a fully plug-in hybrid vehicle coming?

Mulally: We are working on that also, but let me just share with you the Ford plan about that. Our No. 1 priority is to improve the internal combustion engine, and that's why the turbocharging, the direct fuel injection, we get a 20 percent improvement in fuel mileage and a 15 percent reduction in CO2, but we get that across all of the engines, across all the vehicles. Then we move to more electrification with the hybrids as you mentioned, and we are very excited that the next step after that will be full electrification. Now we're tied into the grids, and we really have moved to an energy independence solution.

Stupid fckstick says Ford is going to focus on combustion engines first and THEN Hybrids? Big NO vote to helping these POS's out. Especially when they HAVE the hybrid technology to go 30 miles on a regular charge with their PHEV's.

From the 2008 Washington Auto Show (wiki - PHEV):

Also on display at the show is a Ford Escape Plug-in Hybrid (PHEV) alongside the production Escape Hybrid. The plug-in research vehicle uses high voltage, lithium-ion batteries and can travel up to 30 miles (48 km) on battery power alone before switching to full hybrid mode, delivering the equivalent of up to 120 miles per US gallon (2.0 L/100 km/140 mpg-imp) for far fewer trips to the gas station.

Ford is collaborating with Southern California Edison in a unique partnership to advance the commercialization of PHEVs. This is part of Ford?s sustainability strategy, which also includes EcoBoost engine technology, announced at the 2008 North American International Auto Show.

Why the HELL wouldn't that technology be your top priority over combustion engines????? Bullsh*t. Utter bullsh*t IMO. What do you guys think.

Obama said step number 1 is conservation. This direction was probably decided on years ago. At this time, there is no reason to believe that the supply side of the market for crude is not going to control what direction we go short term.


Think again about what you are suggesting also. Trading gasoline use for coal use. What would be the point?

We have a shitton of our own coal?

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

I can not remember the guy, but he is an ex race car designer/enginener. Very famous one at that.

He basically stated that alot of time and money is being wasted on fancy drive trains when the same fuel savings can be achieved by cutting the weight of a car by 10%. Just make aerodynamic cars that weight 1500 pounds. There is your 50 mpg+ car.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: chess9

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: chess9
The market has had a need for high mpg vehicles for a very long time. Truckers need them, and even middle class Americans need them. You aren't saying it was impossible for them to do. You aren't saying they didn't do it because it was too expensive to do. You aren't saying the technology couldn't have been developed in 1960.

If the market "needs" it so much, why don't people's purchasing trends reflect it?

Blaming the automakers is convenient and very seductive because by blaming them, we absolve ourselves.

ZV

You are absolving the auto companies instead! They should have LED. Not followed. Do you think Intel followed US? Sure, they try to find out which features might be appealing to some segments of their market, but most of their research is way beyond the ken of most mere mortals. The auto companies aren't even remotely close to that standard. They are closer to the standards of pull wagons and bicycles. I expect them to announce soon that they just discovered FIRE.

-Robert

Intel absolutely followed. They produce what their market is demanding.

US auto companies have done the same as far as technology. Now, if you want to talk assembly quality, then you might have something, but as far as engine technology, emissions, and fuel economy you're out in left field.

Chevrolet pioneered fuel injection in the 1960's. Ford and GM pioneered airbags and ABS in the 1970's. They dumped a lot of money only to find that the public didn't buy those things. Hell, remember the V-8-6-4? Cylinder de-activation technology, now all the rage, pioneered by GM in the 80's and hated by consumers.

Additionally, there is only so much magic that can be worked with the laws of thermodynamics. The Intel Q9550 uses a LOT more power than the 386 did. Hell, I have a 486 on my desk here and the heatsink on it wouldn't even cool the northbridge on a modern computer. The new chips are not huge leaps forward in terms of power consumption. They are much faster, but they consume far more power.

Cars are the same way. There is a fixed amount of energy per gallon of gasoline. As long as people demand cars, family sedans, that are closing in on 4,000 pounds there just isn't a way to get around the fact that X amount of energy is required and therefore Y gallons of gas are required. If technology truly was as stagnant as you believe it is, cars today would get 10 mpg highway.

ZV

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Look at what Ford's CEO said today:

Roberts: General Motors has got an electric car coming out. It's not going to come out until 2010, 2011. Does Ford have a fully plug-in hybrid vehicle coming?

Mulally: We are working on that also, but let me just share with you the Ford plan about that. Our No. 1 priority is to improve the internal combustion engine, and that's why the turbocharging, the direct fuel injection, we get a 20 percent improvement in fuel mileage and a 15 percent reduction in CO2, but we get that across all of the engines, across all the vehicles. Then we move to more electrification with the hybrids as you mentioned, and we are very excited that the next step after that will be full electrification. Now we're tied into the grids, and we really have moved to an energy independence solution.

Stupid fckstick says Ford is going to focus on combustion engines first and THEN Hybrids? Big NO vote to helping these POS's out. Especially when they HAVE the hybrid technology to go 30 miles on a regular charge with their PHEV's.

From the 2008 Washington Auto Show (wiki - PHEV):

Also on display at the show is a Ford Escape Plug-in Hybrid (PHEV) alongside the production Escape Hybrid. The plug-in research vehicle uses high voltage, lithium-ion batteries and can travel up to 30 miles (48 km) on battery power alone before switching to full hybrid mode, delivering the equivalent of up to 120 miles per US gallon (2.0 L/100 km/140 mpg-imp) for far fewer trips to the gas station.

Ford is collaborating with Southern California Edison in a unique partnership to advance the commercialization of PHEVs. This is part of Ford?s sustainability strategy, which also includes EcoBoost engine technology, announced at the 2008 North American International Auto Show.

Why the HELL wouldn't that technology be your top priority over combustion engines????? Bullsh*t. Utter bullsh*t IMO. What do you guys think.

Obama said step number 1 is conservation. This direction was probably decided on years ago. At this time, there is no reason to believe that the supply side of the market for crude is not going to control what direction we go short term.


Think again about what you are suggesting also. Trading gasoline use for coal use. What would be the point?

We have a shitton of our own coal?

Well, there you go, lets do it. Can it compete with oil?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Deliximus

Yeah, but toyota does better as a company, period. I now know nobody that wants to buy an American car. It's either German or Japanese. The reputation with American cars (outside of the US) is that they are subpar in quality, bad on gas, terrible for long-term owning. True or not, that is the perception. If your products is perceived like this, no wonder sales are plummeting.

i want to buy an american car. also all your points are outdated or just completely incorrect.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

We can't supply the nation now with reliable electricity supply. We currently import more electricity than we export. Our government is going to push clean coal technology to it's legislative limits (expensive). Cap and trade plans floating around (more expense). Japan (contracters) are building a number of new coal fired power plants in mexico now. We have rail infrastructure, in place, (my profession), to supply them with coal. I see the math on the wall, and it doesn't add up to less parts per million of co2, and a shift away from fossil fuels.
[/quote]

Shouldn't be a big surprise to anyone. We do the same thing with all of our other energies. We already buy just about every drop of oil they will sell.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: desy
Wow
1 million cars, SINCE THEY STARTED
So they've probably made what 80 million cars in the 10 yrs the Prius has been in production so 1.25% of their total manufacturing

What were they doing over 98% the time otherwise?

They started making gas guzzling SUV/Trucks about the same time

Shame on them for making cars that Americans wanted to buy. And Detroit has sold how many hybrids?

Detroit makes several hybrids, there seems to be a shortage of buyers. Ford was prepared to make 45k Escapes in 2006 but only sold 22k.

If you want to criticize strategy, Toyota is going to take in in the shorts on their gas guzzlers, they entered the market too late, capital costs are going to kill their bottom line. Hows that for a business model.

Unlike the big three, Toyota is still profitable. And if they abandon the gas guzzlers, they still make the corolla, prius, camry hybrid, yaris, etc..
If Detroit abandons the gaz guzzler they make what?
I'm so glad you are concerned about their business model, since you are so smart maybe you can help the big three achieve profitability.
Better sell that Toyota stock, they have no future.

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Toyota: Biggest Profit Drop in a Decade
You know things are bad when seemingly invincible Toyota is struggling, and it is.
Calling the current economic environment "unprecedented," Toyota reported Thursday its quarterly profit plunged 69 percent, mainly due to slumping vehicle sales in the U.S. and Europe, where Toyota lost money, as well as depreciation of the yen versus the U.S. dollar
In the U.S., where Toyota curtailed production at two plants to take down inventories of its Tundra pickup and Sequoia SUV, Toyota lost money -- about $350 million -- in the first half of its fiscal year. Toyota also lost money in Europe
In response to the deeper-than-expected profit decline, Toyota immediately established an "emergency profit improvement committee" headed by Watanabe to look at ways to cut costs and maximize profits.

Toyota will cut costs across the board. Included will be slicing in half the number of contract workers in Japan from the current 6,000 to 3,000 by March, reviewing capital expenditures, reconsider the timing and scale of projects and review capital expenditures.

At the same time, Toyota aims to increase vehicle sales and profits by launching new models, such as the iQ in Europe and new hybrid vehicles. In the U.S., despite the struggles, Toyota has gained market share in the U.S., where its share of industry sales reached a record high of 17 percent for the first half of its fiscal year due to strong sales of the Yaris and Corolla.
The automaker plans to "stimulate market demand with special models and revised pricing strategies by region and by models," company executives said in a conference call Thursday with financial analysts and media.

In that call, Takahiko Ijichi, senior managing director of Toyota Motor Corp., said the total pot of incentive spending in North America likely won't increase but will be redistributed. Instead of plunking most of the incentive funds on big vehicles like the Toyota Tundra and Sequoia as the automaker has most of this year, it will shift that spending to other models now that once-bloated inventories of trucks and SUVs are more in line with demand.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: marincounty
If Detroit abandons the gaz guzzler they make what?

Well, for Ford:

Focus
Fusion
Taurus
Flex
Edge
Taurus X
Even the giant Grand Marquis will manage 24+ on the highway.

Chevrolet:

Aveo
Cobalt
Impala
Malibu
HHR

Domestics make plenty of cars that are not "gas guzzlers".

ZV

 

[dlx22]

maybe they should focus on how fast they can re-tool their factories so they can actually respond to changes in demand before they go belly up.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: marincounty
If Detroit abandons the gaz guzzler they make what?

Well, for Ford:

Focus
Fusion
Taurus
Flex
Edge
Taurus X
Even the giant Grand Marquis will manage 24+ on the highway.

Chevrolet:

Aveo
Cobalt
Impala
Malibu
HHR

Domestics make plenty of cars that are not "gas guzzlers".

ZV

not to mention the new fiesta is coming here and the 3rd gen international focus will be replacing the still-C170-based US model sometime late next year or early 2010.

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: desy
Wow
1 million cars, SINCE THEY STARTED
So they've probably made what 80 million cars in the 10 yrs the Prius has been in production so 1.25% of their total manufacturing

What were they doing over 98% the time otherwise?

They started making gas guzzling SUV/Trucks about the same time

Shame on them for making cars that Americans wanted to buy. And Detroit has sold how many hybrids?

Detroit makes several hybrids, there seems to be a shortage of buyers. Ford was prepared to make 45k Escapes in 2006 but only sold 22k.

If you want to criticize strategy, Toyota is going to take in in the shorts on their gas guzzlers, they entered the market too late, capital costs are going to kill their bottom line. Hows that for a business model.

Unlike the big three, Toyota is still profitable. And if they abandon the gas guzzlers, they still make the corolla, prius, camry hybrid, yaris, etc..
If Detroit abandons the gaz guzzler they make what?
I'm so glad you are concerned about their business model, since you are so smart maybe you can help the big three achieve profitability.
Better sell that Toyota stock, they have no future.

Text

Toyota: Biggest Profit Drop in a Decade
You know things are bad when seemingly invincible Toyota is struggling, and it is.
Calling the current economic environment "unprecedented," Toyota reported Thursday its quarterly profit plunged 69 percent, mainly due to slumping vehicle sales in the U.S. and Europe, where Toyota lost money, as well as depreciation of the yen versus the U.S. dollar
In the U.S., where Toyota curtailed production at two plants to take down inventories of its Tundra pickup and Sequoia SUV, Toyota lost money -- about $350 million -- in the first half of its fiscal year. Toyota also lost money in Europe
In response to the deeper-than-expected profit decline, Toyota immediately established an "emergency profit improvement committee" headed by Watanabe to look at ways to cut costs and maximize profits.

Toyota will cut costs across the board. Included will be slicing in half the number of contract workers in Japan from the current 6,000 to 3,000 by March, reviewing capital expenditures, reconsider the timing and scale of projects and review capital expenditures.

At the same time, Toyota aims to increase vehicle sales and profits by launching new models, such as the iQ in Europe and new hybrid vehicles. In the U.S., despite the struggles, Toyota has gained market share in the U.S., where its share of industry sales reached a record high of 17 percent for the first half of its fiscal year due to strong sales of the Yaris and Corolla.
The automaker plans to "stimulate market demand with special models and revised pricing strategies by region and by models," company executives said in a conference call Thursday with financial analysts and media.

In that call, Takahiko Ijichi, senior managing director of Toyota Motor Corp., said the total pot of incentive spending in North America likely won't increase but will be redistributed. Instead of plunking most of the incentive funds on big vehicles like the Toyota Tundra and Sequoia as the automaker has most of this year, it will shift that spending to other models now that once-bloated inventories of trucks and SUVs are more in line with demand.

10 best fuel-economy automakers
1. MINI -- 27.66 average mpg, 12 cars
2. Honda -- 23.81 average mpg, 27 cars
3. Chevrolet -- 23.36 average mpg, 88 cars
4. Lotus -- 22.33 average mpg, 3 cars
5. VW -- 22.21 average mpg, 28 cars
6. Pontiac -- 22.20 average mpg, 24 cars
7. Saturn -- 22.14 average mpg, 21 cars
8. Kia -- 21.80 average mpg, 20 cars
9. Suzuki -- 21.77 average mpg, 18 cars
10. Toyota -- 21.60 average mpg, 55 cars


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[chess9]

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: desy
Wow
1 million cars, SINCE THEY STARTED
So they've probably made what 80 million cars in the 10 yrs the Prius has been in production so 1.25% of their total manufacturing

What were they doing over 98% the time otherwise?

They started making gas guzzling SUV/Trucks about the same time

Shame on them for making cars that Americans wanted to buy. And Detroit has sold how many hybrids?

Detroit makes several hybrids, there seems to be a shortage of buyers. Ford was prepared to make 45k Escapes in 2006 but only sold 22k.

If you want to criticize strategy, Toyota is going to take in in the shorts on their gas guzzlers, they entered the market too late, capital costs are going to kill their bottom line. Hows that for a business model.

Unlike the big three, Toyota is still profitable. And if they abandon the gas guzzlers, they still make the corolla, prius, camry hybrid, yaris, etc..
If Detroit abandons the gaz guzzler they make what?
I'm so glad you are concerned about their business model, since you are so smart maybe you can help the big three achieve profitability.
Better sell that Toyota stock, they have no future.

Text

Toyota: Biggest Profit Drop in a Decade
You know things are bad when seemingly invincible Toyota is struggling, and it is.
Calling the current economic environment "unprecedented," Toyota reported Thursday its quarterly profit plunged 69 percent, mainly due to slumping vehicle sales in the U.S. and Europe, where Toyota lost money, as well as depreciation of the yen versus the U.S. dollar
In the U.S., where Toyota curtailed production at two plants to take down inventories of its Tundra pickup and Sequoia SUV, Toyota lost money -- about $350 million -- in the first half of its fiscal year. Toyota also lost money in Europe
In response to the deeper-than-expected profit decline, Toyota immediately established an "emergency profit improvement committee" headed by Watanabe to look at ways to cut costs and maximize profits.

Toyota will cut costs across the board. Included will be slicing in half the number of contract workers in Japan from the current 6,000 to 3,000 by March, reviewing capital expenditures, reconsider the timing and scale of projects and review capital expenditures.

At the same time, Toyota aims to increase vehicle sales and profits by launching new models, such as the iQ in Europe and new hybrid vehicles. In the U.S., despite the struggles, Toyota has gained market share in the U.S., where its share of industry sales reached a record high of 17 percent for the first half of its fiscal year due to strong sales of the Yaris and Corolla.
The automaker plans to "stimulate market demand with special models and revised pricing strategies by region and by models," company executives said in a conference call Thursday with financial analysts and media.

In that call, Takahiko Ijichi, senior managing director of Toyota Motor Corp., said the total pot of incentive spending in North America likely won't increase but will be redistributed. Instead of plunking most of the incentive funds on big vehicles like the Toyota Tundra and Sequoia as the automaker has most of this year, it will shift that spending to other models now that once-bloated inventories of trucks and SUVs are more in line with demand.

10 best fuel-economy automakers
1. MINI -- 27.66 average mpg, 12 cars
2. Honda -- 23.81 average mpg, 27 cars
3. Chevrolet -- 23.36 average mpg, 88 cars
4. Lotus -- 22.33 average mpg, 3 cars
5. VW -- 22.21 average mpg, 28 cars
6. Pontiac -- 22.20 average mpg, 24 cars
7. Saturn -- 22.14 average mpg, 21 cars
8. Kia -- 21.80 average mpg, 20 cars
9. Suzuki -- 21.77 average mpg, 18 cars
10. Toyota -- 21.60 average mpg, 55 cars


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PITIFUL!!!!!

All of them should be fired!

Sheezh....

-Robert

 

[Linux23]

Bullshit. We have the technology right now to create all electric cars. The auto manufacturers want to take the easy way out and stick with what they feel comfortable with. It is, like Jpeyton stated, more of a system where there are multiple companies that supply parts to the big auto makers who will not be usurped without a fight.

 

[frostedflakes]

I have to wonder why they haven't been doing this for years (same goes for other automakers). Turbos are a great way to squeeze more power out of smaller engines. I guess it adds some extra cost and complexity to the system, but I don't think it's significant. Why doesn't every ICE today have a turbo?

Also I've posted it a few times already in P&N, but for those who might not have heard of it yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eestor

If this product lives up to expectations, it would revolutionize the EV market.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
I have to wonder why they haven't been doing this for years (same goes for other automakers). Turbos are a great way to squeeze more power out of smaller engines. I guess it adds some extra cost and complexity to the system, but I don't think it's significant. Why doesn't every ICE today have a turbo?

Also I've posted it a few times already in P&N, but for those who might not have heard of it yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eestor

If this product lives up to expectations, it would revolutionize the EV market.

article about the first turbo charge to the rescue

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: chess9

Originally posted by: senseamp
These microprocessor comparisons are completely asinine to begin with, unless you are willing to have the size of cars decrease in half every 2 years, as has been happening with CMOS chips with process shrinks. So yeah, you can actually have this "processor" car that you are dreaming about that is orders of magnitude cheaper and more economical than a car of 30 years ago, it's called HotWheels.

I agree that the processor analogy is a bit unfair, but technological advances have been made in almost all viable businesses. You aren't saying the auto companies couldn't have done a hell of a lot more. People don't want to accept the truth-our auto industry IS a dinosaur.

-Robert

Huh? Have you compared cars from 30 years ago to modern cars technologically?
I am sure you could have done more with your life too, but let's not make perfect the enemy of good.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It seems like hobbyists are able to make decent electric cars themselves by ripping up a production car and putting in a motor and a bunch of batteries but for some reason no manufacturer with a real name has been able to do it at a good cost.

That would be because it's impossible to do anything, if you don't want to do it badly enough.

Originally posted by: Lemon law
But then when you add back in the huge weight required in batteries, electrical motors, and electrical generators, even very small cars are going to weigh too much to get good mileage.

Explain to me the Honda Insight, then. I think 60mpg in town, and ~70mpg on the highway is pretty good. You don't?

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
If the market "needs" it so much, why don't people's purchasing trends reflect it?

They do reflect it. Every hybrid that is produced gets sold, even the extremely shitty (as far as MPG) Ford SUV's and GM SUV's. Why exactly did you think that the Honda Prius had such a long waiting list?

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
If the market "needs" it so much, why don't people's purchasing trends reflect it?

They do reflect it. Every hybrid that is produced gets sold, even the extremely shitty (as far as MPG) Ford SUV's and GM SUV's. Why exactly did you think that the Honda Prius had such a long waiting list?

No, they don't. Hybrids are sold in extremely small numbers. The reason that they sold all they made is because they only made a very limited number of them. The Insight was canceled because Honda couldn't build them profitably. They lost money on each one.

ZV

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
No, they don't. Hybrids are sold in extremely small numbers. The reason that they sold all they made is because they only made a very limited number of them. The Insight was canceled because Honda couldn't build them profitably. They lost money on each one.

Yep, make them in small enough numbers, and it becomes impossible to sell very many, doesn't it? You're right about the Insight, though. They over-engineered it (made it too costly to make it so lightweight), then found out too late that they couldn't sell it for what it cost them to build it.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Look at what Ford's CEO said today:

Roberts: General Motors has got an electric car coming out. It's not going to come out until 2010, 2011. Does Ford have a fully plug-in hybrid vehicle coming?

Mulally: We are working on that also, but let me just share with you the Ford plan about that. Our No. 1 priority is to improve the internal combustion engine, and that's why the turbocharging, the direct fuel injection, we get a 20 percent improvement in fuel mileage and a 15 percent reduction in CO2, but we get that across all of the engines, across all the vehicles. Then we move to more electrification with the hybrids as you mentioned, and we are very excited that the next step after that will be full electrification. Now we're tied into the grids, and we really have moved to an energy independence solution.

Stupid fckstick says Ford is going to focus on combustion engines first and THEN Hybrids? Big NO vote to helping these POS's out. Especially when they HAVE the hybrid technology to go 30 miles on a regular charge with their PHEV's.

From the 2008 Washington Auto Show (wiki - PHEV):

Also on display at the show is a Ford Escape Plug-in Hybrid (PHEV) alongside the production Escape Hybrid. The plug-in research vehicle uses high voltage, lithium-ion batteries and can travel up to 30 miles (48 km) on battery power alone before switching to full hybrid mode, delivering the equivalent of up to 120 miles per US gallon (2.0 L/100 km/140 mpg-imp) for far fewer trips to the gas station.

Ford is collaborating with Southern California Edison in a unique partnership to advance the commercialization of PHEVs. This is part of Ford?s sustainability strategy, which also includes EcoBoost engine technology, announced at the 2008 North American International Auto Show.

Why the HELL wouldn't that technology be your top priority over combustion engines????? Bullsh*t. Utter bullsh*t IMO. What do you guys think.

Ahhhh the crazy leftists.....

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Also I've posted it a few times already in P&N, but for those who might not have heard of it yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eestor

If this product lives up to expectations, it would revolutionize the EV market.

Wow, why haven't I heard of this? Revolutionize is an understatement. I'm going to get in touch with them, and see if they need any beta testers. I've got two different vehicles that I'm converting to EV, and live less than 200 miles from Cedar Park. I was going to use LiFePO4 batteries for the bike, but this would be awesome for both it, and the car.

 

[MaxisOne]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Why the HELL wouldn't that technology be your top priority over combustion engines????? Bullsh*t. Utter bullsh*t IMO. What do you guys think.

Profit. You can't sell something that is too expensive for people to purchase.

1) When you're pleading for a government handout, only a moron would say they're prioritizing their current technology over their new.

2) Chinese company is releasing a full electric plug-in for $22,000 with a 68.5 mile range. Why can't our government subsidize THAT instead of Ford's bullsht? Link.

It's a fcking outrage that China is beating us to the punch on this, while we have dipsht CEO's like Ford's talking about prioritizing combustion engine efficiency. That money should be going to hybrid technology...

Im pretty much almost 100% sure Boeing Commercial Aircraft would love to have that dipshit Ceo back right about now considering Boeing is in the middle of the laughingstock production nightmare called the 787.

Mullaly May be out of his element at Ford ... but im not willing to write him off yet ... He doesnt usually speak out of his ass and his track record and achievements at Boeing demonstrates that he knows how to manage.
Fixing a badly broken auto company with years of bad managament and greedy organized labor takes time and money to fix.

We will see what becomes of this

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: marincounty
If Detroit abandons the gaz guzzler they make what?

Well, for Ford:

Focus
Fusion
Taurus
Flex
Edge
Taurus X
Even the giant Grand Marquis will manage 24+ on the highway.

Chevrolet:

Aveo
Cobalt
Impala
Malibu
HHR

Domestics make plenty of cars that are not "gas guzzlers".

ZV

not to mention the new fiesta is coming here and the 3rd gen international focus will be replacing the still-C170-based US model sometime late next year or early 2010.

Add in the escape hybrid and soon to be release hybrid fusion.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Also I've posted it a few times already in P&N, but for those who might not have heard of it yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eestor

If this product lives up to expectations, it would revolutionize the EV market.

Wow, why haven't I heard of this? Revolutionize is an understatement. I'm going to get in touch with them, and see if they need any beta testers. I've got two different vehicles that I'm converting to EV, and live less than 200 miles from Cedar Park. I was going to use LiFePO4 batteries for the bike, but this would be awesome for both it, and the car.

Well like I said, will have to see if performance ends up being what they claim. I also wouldn't count on being able to get your hands on any for small projects. Seems like currently they're only interested in large partnerships. For now, LiFePO4 is probably your best bet.