Ford recalls its $140,000 GT supercar for safety defect

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: forpey

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: forpey

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Rent

Originally posted by: forpey
Everyone outside of America knows that American 'sports cars' are the worst in the world.

The corvett has the suspension springs which haven't been used in standard european cars for over a decade, nevermind the sports cars.

The viper delivers 300bhp from an engine with over 4litre capacity. The Evo 8 delivers 320bhp from 2litres and you dont have to plan your route around the nearest petrol station.

The mustand has a joint rear axel, which haven't been used since about 1946.

Poor. Very poor.

You're referring to the transverse rear leaf on the 'Vette. Its always the first thing sports car morons like to bring up when discussing the 'Vette.

Guess what? It still beats a LOT of cars around the track. Just because the technology is not as advanced doesn't mean its inferior.

And as for the hp/liter game, why don't you go worship the S2000. You seem to forget that larger displacement cars produce something called TORQUE.

Lots of import cars used solid rear axels until the early 90s. Its better at going fast in a straight line, which is what the mustang does.

he's been watching too much top gear..and not getting the part where they are sorta...joking yes its leaf spring.. but the company chose it for a reason its not as if they don't have access to other technologies..geez..think people.

Nicely read from the above post, moron. They didn't 'choose' the part because its a good part, because its cheaply made. Like all American cars. Thats why they don't export well.

you are truely a moron if you think they chose such a unique part to "save" money on relatively expensive cars like corvettes. no.. let me say that u are a complete moron. odd they don't "save" money on their lower models using this method isn't it? think u twit...

Why do they choose to make the dashboard out of black plastic? Because it looks good?

wait? the dash has something to do with performance?

dude before you make yourself look any more stupid just look up some real information about the vette suspension and why it was designed that way. jeez. unique parts cost more..get that through your skull...save money..lol

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: forpey
Everyone outside of America knows that American 'sports cars' are the worst in the world.

The corvett has the suspension springs which haven't been used in standard european cars for over a decade, nevermind the sports cars.

The viper delivers 300bhp from an engine with over 4litre capacity. The Evo 8 delivers 320bhp from 2litres and you dont have to plan your route around the nearest petrol station.

The mustand has a joint rear axel, which haven't been used since about 1946.

Poor. Very poor.

you are the biggest fvcking douche on this board.

 

[forpey]

Originally posted by: rbrandon

Originally posted by: forpey
Everyone outside of America knows that American 'sports cars' are the worst in the world.

The corvett has the suspension springs which haven't been used in standard european cars for over a decade, nevermind the sports cars.

The viper delivers 300bhp from an engine with over 4litre capacity. The Evo 8 delivers 320bhp from 2litres and you dont have to plan your route around the nearest petrol station.

The mustand has a joint rear axel, which haven't been used since about 1946.

Poor. Very poor.

1. Heres the Vette
http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/features/

Doesnt look to antiquated.


2. The Viper has an 8.5 litre V10 with 500 hp and 525 ft-lbs or torque. Don't know where you got YOUR numbers from. :disgust: BTW it does it with out the help of hair dryers, which your evo needs, but hell well overlook that too :roll:


3. The 'Stang, for its price does what its expected to extremely well. They could have put in the independent rear orf the Cobra, but it would price itself out of its target market. And I'm sure they use the same design for the live rear axle as they did in 1946 :roll: which would mean the muscle cars of the 60's and 70's were trash too, because they used solid rear axles :roll:

500bhp from 8.5litres is an absolute joke. 'Price itself out of the market'? Independant rear suspencian costs nothing. My mini has it.

 

[rbrandon]

your car isnt half the car that the 'stang is. Beat it. Also, just for kicks, give me one car that outperforms the Viper that doesnt cost as much as a house. Once again, you miss the point.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: forpey
Why do they choose to make the dashboard out of black plastic? Because it looks good?

Like I said, the interior isn't as important to the average American (although this is changing quickly). Most people buy the Corvette for the performance and status of owning a vehicle with such a longstanding American history. Find me a faster car with the same creature comforts for less money (in USD). Go on. I dare you.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: forpey
Everyone outside of America knows that American 'sports cars' are the worst in the world.

The corvett has the suspension springs which haven't been used in standard european cars for over a decade, nevermind the sports cars.

The viper delivers 300bhp from an engine with over 4litre capacity. The Evo 8 delivers 320bhp from 2litres and you dont have to plan your route around the nearest petrol station.

The mustand has a joint rear axel, which haven't been used since about 1946.

Poor. Very poor.

you are the biggest fvcking douche on this board.

you said it best!

 

[Gulzakar]

The one nice thing about Ferrari's?

Class

Can't get that with a Ford =P

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Gulzakar
The one nice thing about Ferrari's?

Class

Can't get that with a Ford =P

there is a HUGE difference between Class and Extravagant.

Ferrari is no where near the definition of class.

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: hysperion
My opinion on reliability is this: ever notice that generally the more fun cars are less reliable? Just look at who buys them. People buy Honda's to pick up groceries etc etc so not many people beat on them. American cars like Mustangs, Corvettes etc are usually bought by people who are a little harder on their vehicles so it makes sense to me that they aren't as reliable.

People beat on Civics and Accords all the time. They aren't any less reliable. Tires and shocks just wear out faster If anything they're even more reliable since morons buy them, don't maintain them and they still keep on running. I beat on my Accord a lot and it hasn't failed me.

 

[Gulzakar]

quote:

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Originally posted by: Gulzakar
The one nice thing about Ferrari's?

Class

Can't get that with a Ford =P
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there is a HUGE difference between Class and Extravagant.

Ferrari is no where near the definition of class.

Classy

Classy Again

UBER Classy

UBER Sexy Classy

WREAKS OF CLASS

 

[Corrupted]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: forpey
Why do they choose to make the dashboard out of black plastic? Because it looks good?

Like I said, the interior isn't as important to the average American (although this is changing quickly). Most people buy the Corvette for the performance and status of owning a vehicle with such a longstanding American history. Find me a faster car with the same creature comforts for less money (in USD). Go on. I dare you.

I think forpey is just as dumb as everyone imagines.

But I thought I'd take your dare just for fun to see your reply.

I think an SVT Cobra 03-04 model, can handle itself very well against a corvette. The z06 is a few tenths faster in the 1/4 than the cobra i admit, but overall their performance i'd say is very similar. And yes, the Cobra is supercharged if you want to use that in your argument, heh. Cobra can be had for ~$30k brand new right now, a nice bit of change less than a corvette, which I assume (don't know for a fact), probably is in the $40k range and upwards to $50k for the z06.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: Apex
That's not what's being talked about.

We're talking about increasing the HP of 1 car, not comparing HP's from 2 different cars.

I would postulate that increasing the HP in any car of this class would make it better. You don't have enough power until you can leave solid black stripes from the apex of 1 corner to the braking point of the next.

Too much power. You LOSE speed and acceleration that way (think ABS in reverse). A proper supercar is a combination of power and finesse. The trick is to keep it right on the cusp of peeling out while never actually DOING IT.

I hope that my sarcasm meter is just broken...

Ask any racer all the way up to f1 if they could do better with more power. There are absolutely no formula 1 cars that are traction limited in any of the straights they race on, much less a street car.

Ideally you should be able to spin the wheels all the way up to the braking point of any corner. The best acceleration happens at roughly 10% wheel slip.

Yes, I definitely agree that there should be a balance between power and grip. However, there's still a serious deficit on the power side, even with modern powerplants.

BUNK! 10% wheel slip for launch, maybe, but TRACTION is what you need in a car when it's on the move. Any slippage or "number 11's" from one corner to the next(LOL @ this being an 'Ideal') is a waste of energy and also more work for a driver to control. High power without the chassis or suspension to handle it is worse than less power and a setup that copes well.

Suspension systems are devised to provide maximum traction, not slippage. OK, if you belong to a Japanese Mountain Drift club you can slip all you want, or maybe you watched to much Starsky & Hutch, but slipping and sliding !=cool when trying to go fast. In a STRAIGHT LINE OR OTHERWISE.

End of discussion.

Name 1 vehicle that a real racer would not be able to drive faster with more HP. You still, unfortunately, do not understand.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Gulzakar

quote:

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Originally posted by: Gulzakar
The one nice thing about Ferrari's?

Class

Can't get that with a Ford =P
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



there is a HUGE difference between Class and Extravagant.

Ferrari is no where near the definition of class.

Classy

Classy Again

UBER Classy

UBER Sexy Classy

WREAKS OF CLASS

i don't know, a couple of those remind me of the Ford Cobra.

so in your mind, anything old and expensive is classy right?

:roll:

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: Apex
Name 1 vehicle that a real racer would not be able to drive faster with more HP. You still, unfortunately, do not understand.

I don't believe that was his point. He was disagreeing with your statement that best acceleration happens at partial wheel slip.

Ideally the car will have enough power that it *can* break traction accelerating until the next breaking point. However, you don't actually want to break traction during hard acceleration, especially when cornering, as it can be extremely dangerous (this is DivideBYZero's point).

Infinite horsepower is ideal for any race car, in theory, so the power would be available under 100% of the circumstances. No matter how fast you're going, you will always be able to accelerate at the limits of adhesion for your tire compounds, which would make for the fastest times around a track. Actually using that much power and keeping it under control is another issue entirely.

 

[SportSC4]

Originally posted by: toant103
it's not Ford's fault,

"are affected by a suspension component problem that originated with a supplier"

Actually, it is. Ford contracts out there work to the company that will provide the lowest possible price that can get the job done. Needless to say, they go through many companies. On the other hand, a company (i believe toyota does this) says here is X number of dollars for Y piece, make it the best that you can (and they don't give some absurd number for X). The company doesn't want to cheap out on the part because they have a long standing relationship with the comapny (Toyota-Denso).

This has had a huge impact on quality and the amount of warranty work done by certain car companies. I think Chrysler is starting to work to the Toyota system.

 

[Rent]

Originally posted by: forpey

Originally posted by: rbrandon

Originally posted by: forpey
Everyone outside of America knows that American 'sports cars' are the worst in the world.

The corvett has the suspension springs which haven't been used in standard european cars for over a decade, nevermind the sports cars.

The viper delivers 300bhp from an engine with over 4litre capacity. The Evo 8 delivers 320bhp from 2litres and you dont have to plan your route around the nearest petrol station.

The mustand has a joint rear axel, which haven't been used since about 1946.

Poor. Very poor.

1. Heres the Vette
http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/features/

Doesnt look to antiquated.


2. The Viper has an 8.5 litre V10 with 500 hp and 525 ft-lbs or torque. Don't know where you got YOUR numbers from. :disgust: BTW it does it with out the help of hair dryers, which your evo needs, but hell well overlook that too :roll:


3. The 'Stang, for its price does what its expected to extremely well. They could have put in the independent rear orf the Cobra, but it would price itself out of its target market. And I'm sure they use the same design for the live rear axle as they did in 1946 :roll: which would mean the muscle cars of the 60's and 70's were trash too, because they used solid rear axles :roll:

500bhp from 8.5litres is an absolute joke. 'Price itself out of the market'? Independant rear suspencian costs nothing. My mini has it.

So does my SVT Focus. So what, its not going magically make my out handle a 'Vette or a Viper.

You also seem to lack the concept of Torque. The only import cars that have any amount of torque are those with larger displacement(BMW & Mercedes come to mind). You know, like your Mini has 110ft/lbs or if you have an S, 160ft/lbs. The S has to have a respirator strapped onto it to get that much.

I'm sure its a great car, but when you want to make power, there is NO replacement for displacement.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: Apex
Name 1 vehicle that a real racer would not be able to drive faster with more HP. You still, unfortunately, do not understand.

I don't believe that was his point. He was disagreeing with your statement that best acceleration happens at partial wheel slip.

Ideally the car will have enough power that it *can* break traction accelerating until the next breaking point. However, you don't actually want to break traction during hard acceleration, especially when cornering, as it can be extremely dangerous (this is DivideBYZero's point).

Infinite horsepower is ideal for any race car, in theory, so the power would be available under 100% of the circumstances. No matter how fast you're going, you will always be able to accelerate at the limits of adhesion for your tire compounds, which would make for the fastest times around a track. Actually using that much power and keeping it under control is another issue entirely.

That still happens at about 10% slippage. Very easy to check with race cars, with street cars, it's a bit more difficult. Any sort of good programmable traction control system will tell you. For instance, RaceLogic makes ones.

http://www.racelogic.co.uk/traction/works.htm

 

[thedarkwolf]

Originally posted by: forpey

Originally posted by: rbrandon

Originally posted by: forpey
Everyone outside of America knows that American 'sports cars' are the worst in the world.

The corvett has the suspension springs which haven't been used in standard european cars for over a decade, nevermind the sports cars.

The viper delivers 300bhp from an engine with over 4litre capacity. The Evo 8 delivers 320bhp from 2litres and you dont have to plan your route around the nearest petrol station.

The mustand has a joint rear axel, which haven't been used since about 1946.

Poor. Very poor.

1. Heres the Vette
http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/features/

Doesnt look to antiquated.


2. The Viper has an 8.5 litre V10 with 500 hp and 525 ft-lbs or torque. Don't know where you got YOUR numbers from. :disgust: BTW it does it with out the help of hair dryers, which your evo needs, but hell well overlook that too :roll:


3. The 'Stang, for its price does what its expected to extremely well. They could have put in the independent rear orf the Cobra, but it would price itself out of its target market. And I'm sure they use the same design for the live rear axle as they did in 1946 :roll: which would mean the muscle cars of the 60's and 70's were trash too, because they used solid rear axles :roll:

500bhp from 8.5litres is an absolute joke. 'Price itself out of the market'? Independant rear suspencian costs nothing. My mini has it.

How much power does your mini's rearend have to cope with? oh yeah ZERO!!!!!! An IRS would have added to the cost of the mustang but I think it would have been worth it.

 

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: forpey

Originally posted by: rbrandon

Originally posted by: forpey
Everyone outside of America knows that American 'sports cars' are the worst in the world.

The corvett has the suspension springs which haven't been used in standard european cars for over a decade, nevermind the sports cars.

The viper delivers 300bhp from an engine with over 4litre capacity. The Evo 8 delivers 320bhp from 2litres and you dont have to plan your route around the nearest petrol station.

The mustand has a joint rear axel, which haven't been used since about 1946.

Poor. Very poor.

1. Heres the Vette
http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/features/

Doesnt look to antiquated.


2. The Viper has an 8.5 litre V10 with 500 hp and 525 ft-lbs or torque. Don't know where you got YOUR numbers from. :disgust: BTW it does it with out the help of hair dryers, which your evo needs, but hell well overlook that too :roll:


3. The 'Stang, for its price does what its expected to extremely well. They could have put in the independent rear orf the Cobra, but it would price itself out of its target market. And I'm sure they use the same design for the live rear axle as they did in 1946 :roll: which would mean the muscle cars of the 60's and 70's were trash too, because they used solid rear axles :roll:

500bhp from 8.5litres is an absolute joke. 'Price itself out of the market'? Independant rear suspencian costs nothing. My mini has it.

This is proof of his car knowledge. He resorted to owning a mini. Good choice

oy what a hunk of crap.

 

[iwearnosox]

The guy I bought my audi from has one of these. I sent him your post, just in case.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: forpey

Originally posted by: rbrandon

Originally posted by: forpey
Everyone outside of America knows that American 'sports cars' are the worst in the world.

The corvett has the suspension springs which haven't been used in standard european cars for over a decade, nevermind the sports cars.

The viper delivers 300bhp from an engine with over 4litre capacity. The Evo 8 delivers 320bhp from 2litres and you dont have to plan your route around the nearest petrol station.

The mustand has a joint rear axel, which haven't been used since about 1946.

Poor. Very poor.

1. Heres the Vette
http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/features/

Doesnt look to antiquated.


2. The Viper has an 8.5 litre V10 with 500 hp and 525 ft-lbs or torque. Don't know where you got YOUR numbers from. :disgust: BTW it does it with out the help of hair dryers, which your evo needs, but hell well overlook that too :roll:


3. The 'Stang, for its price does what its expected to extremely well. They could have put in the independent rear orf the Cobra, but it would price itself out of its target market. And I'm sure they use the same design for the live rear axle as they did in 1946 :roll: which would mean the muscle cars of the 60's and 70's were trash too, because they used solid rear axles :roll:

500bhp from 8.5litres is an absolute joke. 'Price itself out of the market'? Independant rear suspencian costs nothing. My mini has it.

God Damn it, his IRS cost NOTHING. HTF did austin manage that? amazing, IRS costs NOTHING, so only the stupidest of car companies would resort to using a solid rear axle as the IRS costs NOTHING.

sheesh, some people are just too stupid to live.

 

[Cattlegod]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Jehovah
The kicker is, they won't reveal who the supplier is!

Wow folks, this is Ford at its finest . . ..

Do you know why? Because the supplier did it exactly to Ford specs, I would bet.

<--- works for a supplier, but not THE supplier.

a casting process error doesn't sound like an engineering problem

Ford may have spec'ed the wrong material, the wrong design, a cost-saving moment could have led to this. You wouldn't believe how excited they get when you mention to them that drilling a 1" hole in a piece of metal will save them $500,000 in materials.

But when you cast a part that has bubbles in it and thus makes it weaker, it is Ford's fault. Riiight...

 

[glen]

Originally posted by: pookguy88
lol, and they want to be in the same class as Ferrari. they should ask themselves "would Ferrari have such a defect/recall?"

Ferrari would have it much worse.

 

[forpey]

Originally posted by: Fingers

This is proof of his car knowledge. He resorted to owning a mini. Good choice

oy what a hunk of crap.[/quote]

Good argument. Funny, I seem to remember the MINI winning the Detriot motor show.

 

[theblackbox]

Originally posted by: forpey

Originally posted by: Fingers

This is proof of his car knowledge. He resorted to owning a mini. Good choice

oy what a hunk of crap.

Good argument. Funny, I seem to remember the MINI winning the Detriot motor show.[/quote]

mini's are cool, if you're a girl. it belongs in the "chick car" class with the vw cabriolet, and the miata.

crap can win awards, and usually does, look at the heismann trophy over the last 10 years... looks good, plays good...but thats all on paper.