Ford, like GM, struggling with its bottom line

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: rahvin
I cannot believe there are jackasses on this board praying for the death of GM and ford. Combined the US automakers employ around 3-5% of the workforce. If GM and Ford went out of business the rule of 1 job for every 3 would jump unemployment by 10%, on top of that the Government is required to pick up the pensions of bankrupt companies and you as a tax payer would then be responsible for paying for their pensions. There is a reason the government bailed chrysler out with a loan in the 80's and it's simple, if we lose the big three and all the jobs they bring to this country (and not just assembly jobs, design, engineering, parts, transport, every aspect of our economy) the effect on our economy would be disasterous and I don't know if we could even recover from it.

So the next time you pray for the death of the american auto industry you better be hoping you have a job outside this country because it would cause a major economic crisis in the US and our crisis would echo around the world within days. You have to be one incredibly short sided prick or a completely uneducated fool to pray for the death of a major manufacturing arm in the US.

Awwwww come on you have be proud that the Republican Regime has destroyed the American Auto Industry.

Here's you well deserved

Wasnt the last time GM had a loss when..."GM, which last month reported its biggest quarterly loss since it narrowly skirted bankruptcy 13 years ago"
13 years ago would put it squarely in Clinton's term.
So this is the worst it has been since a democrat...
can't blame republicans on this one dave...just GM...just GM.

I don't recall the circumstances of GM's problem 13 yrs ago.

I would be hard pressed to believe the climate is the same though as you would suggest.

He's your chance, enlighten me and show me how I should be loving GM and hoping they don't shrivel away and die.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I don't recall the circumstances of GM's problem 13 yrs ago.

I would be hard pressed to believe the climate is the same though as you would suggest.

He's your chance, enlighten me and show me how I should be loving GM and hoping they don't shrivel away and die.

This isn't a thory of mine, this is well known corporate history...GM was in a worse position 13 years ago. That's all i am saying, read the article, go research if you want, but this is not something the republicans made up...this is GM's problem.

You shouldn't love GM, actually i find it quite nutty that people would favor a brand for nothing more than nationality. Fact is, GM is a big money maker for the people of the US. If it goes, toyota, honda and nissan will take a good share of this loss. The profits from these makers go to Japan, not the US. For the well being of you and your fellow americans i would hope you give positive hope for this company. Don't blame any person other than GM for this problem.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I don't recall the circumstances of GM's problem 13 yrs ago.

I would be hard pressed to believe the climate is the same though as you would suggest.

He's your chance, enlighten me and show me how I should be loving GM and hoping they don't shrivel away and die.

This isn't a thory of mine, this is well known corporate history...GM was in a worse position 13 years ago. That's all i am saying, read the article, go research if you want, but this is not something the republicans made up...this is GM's problem.

You shouldn't love GM, actually i find it quite nutty that people would favor a brand for nothing more than nationality. Fact is, GM is a big money maker for the people of the US. If it goes, toyota, honda and nissan will take a good share of this loss. The profits from these makers go to Japan, not the US. For the well being of you and your fellow americans i would hope you give positive hope for this company. Don't blame any person other than GM for this problem.

Why would I have hope for a Company that shuns it's elders? The ones that built the Foundation of the Company?

Same for those that support shunning the elder citizens of the Country.

We are heading towards Carousel.

 

[Stunt]

Huh?
Can you just denounce your wrongful accusations of republicans causing this company's rough times...I don't see what point you are making.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Huh?
Can you just denounce your wrongful accusations of republicans causing this company's rough times...I don't see what point you are making.

No because if Dems were in Power, Gas would not be $2 gal and GM's crappy low MPG crap would still be OK.

 

[Stunt]

Tell me how gas would be lower...
And GM would be in the exact same situation...similar to when it last had problems...under the dems.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Tell me how gas would be lower...
And GM would be in the exact same situation...similar to when it last had problems...under the dems.

For starters, Iraq's Oil would still be on the open market.

So you are standing by that it was all Clinton's fault for GM's problems, then and now???

 

[alent1234]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Deptacon

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Deptacon

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Stunt
I'm disappointed you get a "kick" out of some strong american staple companies (employ a lot of americans) doing poorly.

What about all the "American Companies and jobs that have picked up and set up shop overseas but still call themselves "American" companies???

honda has plants here, can they ont call themselves japannese anymore?

i think its funny how so mnay people jump on american compnies for moving jobs overseas. its part of the evolution of business in the global market and gobal supply chain, i study this every day in my business courses, if american companies did not do this, they have about a 90% chance of not being able to compete in the next 10 yrs and will fail. its just how it is. unless you wanna pay 90 bucks for a hammer, and 50,000 dollars for a ford escort, thats how is. this is how the global market is changing.

people need to realize WE ARE NO LONGER A MANUFACTURING NATION. wages are too high, its not profitable, not on a large scale.

people need to realize WE ARE NO LONGER A MANUFACTURING NATION. wages are too high, its not profitable, not on a large scale.

honda has plants here, can they ont call themselves japannese anymore?

If we're not a MANUFACTURING NATION then why did Honda and others set up Factories here? Are they not Manufacturing anything???

to avoid tarriffs.... we have heavy tarrifs on autos...plsu they can charge so much more for the vehicles here....it comes out on top

also, they sell so many cars here, it cost less to make here then ship all those large vehicles here

You didn't answer the question, so are they Manufacturing the cars here or are they distribution warehouses???

it's expensive shipping cars over the pacific. cheaper to make them in the US and canada.

gib difference is $1600 of every GM car goes to pay medical benefits and pensions. Honda and Toyota have 401k's for their employees and can invest this money into better quality cars.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Deptacon

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Deptacon

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Stunt
I'm disappointed you get a "kick" out of some strong american staple companies (employ a lot of americans) doing poorly.

What about all the "American Companies and jobs that have picked up and set up shop overseas but still call themselves "American" companies???

honda has plants here, can they ont call themselves japannese anymore?

i think its funny how so mnay people jump on american compnies for moving jobs overseas. its part of the evolution of business in the global market and gobal supply chain, i study this every day in my business courses, if american companies did not do this, they have about a 90% chance of not being able to compete in the next 10 yrs and will fail. its just how it is. unless you wanna pay 90 bucks for a hammer, and 50,000 dollars for a ford escort, thats how is. this is how the global market is changing.

people need to realize WE ARE NO LONGER A MANUFACTURING NATION. wages are too high, its not profitable, not on a large scale.

people need to realize WE ARE NO LONGER A MANUFACTURING NATION. wages are too high, its not profitable, not on a large scale.

honda has plants here, can they ont call themselves japannese anymore?

If we're not a MANUFACTURING NATION then why did Honda and others set up Factories here? Are they not Manufacturing anything???

to avoid tarriffs.... we have heavy tarrifs on autos...plsu they can charge so much more for the vehicles here....it comes out on top

also, they sell so many cars here, it cost less to make here then ship all those large vehicles here

You didn't answer the question, so are they Manufacturing the cars here or are they distribution warehouses???

They are making cars, the news manufacturing facily is being built by toyota in San Antonio. The foreigh autoworkers have setup in the right to work states, where they are unencumbered by unions. Their wages are very comparable to that of UAW, but the workforce does not complain automation and useless workers can let go easily.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Stunt
Tell me how gas would be lower...
And GM would be in the exact same situation...similar to when it last had problems...under the dems.

For starters, Iraq's Oil would still be on the open market.

So you are standing by that it was all Clinton's fault for GM's problems, then and now???

Iraqs oil is on the open market ...

 

[Stunt]

a) I'm saying that the democrats would have put more sanctions against iraq...not allowing oil to leave the country. Maybe making gas prices even higher. The iraq situation is a very minimal cause of the price of oil.
b) I'm saying GM's probems are independent of who is in power, you are blaming republicans when the last time GM had problems like this was under a democrat.

 

[irwincur]

It's funny how similar the GM pension issues are to Social Secrity. A working model and people are still too stupid to see it.

More and more workers are not working yet living longer, during this time they are collecting pension benefits from GM. Currently, due to robotics and productivity gains there are fewer workers per retiree putting a strain on the system. GM has to ante up a lot. Odds are they will just declare bankruptcy down the road and tell all of the Unions and pention holders - SORRY OVERPAID LAZY BASTARDS - we are moving to Mexico.

Unfotunately the government is not able to do this. So as the STUPID IDIOTS in this country watch the scenerio again on a vastly larger scale in the next few decades I am sure the GM execs on the beaches of Mexico will get a good chuckle. After all, they were the model for the Socialist/Union dreamland that was the US circa 1920 - 1990.

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: rahvin
I cannot believe there are jackasses on this board praying for the death of GM and ford. Combined the US automakers employ around 3-5% of the workforce. If GM and Ford went out of business the rule of 1 job for every 3 would jump unemployment by 10%, on top of that the Government is required to pick up the pensions of bankrupt companies and you as a tax payer would then be responsible for paying for their pensions. There is a reason the government bailed chrysler out with a loan in the 80's and it's simple, if we lose the big three and all the jobs they bring to this country (and not just assembly jobs, design, engineering, parts, transport, every aspect of our economy) the effect on our economy would be disasterous and I don't know if we could even recover from it.

So the next time you pray for the death of the american auto industry you better be hoping you have a job outside this country because it would cause a major economic crisis in the US and our crisis would echo around the world within days. You have to be one incredibly short sided prick or a completely uneducated fool to pray for the death of a major manufacturing arm in the US.

Awwwww come on you have be proud that the Republican Regime has destroyed the American Auto Industry.

Here's you well deserved

please...

i think someone likes blmaing there misfortunes on bush.... i bet if her dog died she would come on her and say bush had something to with it

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Stunt
Huh?
Can you just denounce your wrongful accusations of republicans causing this company's rough times...I don't see what point you are making.

No because if Dems were in Power, Gas would not be $2 gal and GM's crappy low MPG crap would still be OK.

Oh please STFU.... yes it would....and it would be more, cause dems dont have connections to twist arms over to turn up oroduction like bush has been doing


im so sick of reading ur studi fvcking posts

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Stunt
Tell me how gas would be lower...
And GM would be in the exact same situation...similar to when it last had problems...under the dems.

For starters, Iraq's Oil would still be on the open market.

So you are standing by that it was all Clinton's fault for GM's problems, then and now???

Iraq's Oil was neve ron the open market, only a small amount AND MORE IS ON THE OPEN MARKET NOW THEN BEFORE...

someone is just hate posting stupid crap now

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Deptacon

Oh please STFU.... yes it would....and it would be more,

cause dems dont have connections to twist arms over to turn up oroduction like bush has been doing

im so sick of reading ur studi fvcking posts

Ah beautiful, gotcha to admit the Oil/Haliburton connection between Bush & the Saudi's :thumbsup:

If production is so high, tons of supply, then why still the high Oil and Gas prices???

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Deptacon

Oh please STFU.... yes it would....and it would be more,

cause dems dont have connections to twist arms over to turn up oroduction like bush has been doing

im so sick of reading ur studi fvcking posts

Ah beautiful, gotcha to admit the Oil/Haliburton connection between Bush & the Saudi's :thumbsup:

If production is so high, tons of supply, then why still the high Oil and Gas prices???

every politican has connections.....please.... like kerry was clean from soft money hahahahahahaha. Bush's familiy was in the oil business, and Haliburton isnt a oil company, they are a drilling/govt contracting company, and have been doing govt contract work for over 20 yrs, not just under bush. my Source, im currently preparing to work as a contractor for them.

Bush meeting, and the famuous GARDEN WALK ARM TWIST PICTURES. Bush oil connections give him more power to do something about oil prices then any dem so please. No immeditate promises, but higher increases over time then saudi's had planned

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/25/bush.saudi/

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4618022&sourceCode=RSS

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4618022&sourceCode=RSS


your knowledge of the WORLD OIL market is obviously ZERO. OIL CONSUMPTION WORLD WIDE is going way up, while production isnt moving. It isnt so much our consumption, its china's. here are SOME LINKS, since you guys are link nazi's

http://www.asiantribune.com/show_news.php?id=13996

http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/5311910.html

http://www.iags.org/futureofoil.html

http://www.iags.org/china.htm

 

[Deptacon]

oh and another contributing factor, we havnt built any new refineires in over 30 years. so our proccessing production is at 100% why is this? activist left wingers who wont allow BAD POLLUTING refineires to be built.....so, look to your own side to blame.

and god forbid we build more nuke plants to help the energy problem, but now, the dems keep blocking that one....

 

[Deptacon]

no response??????????

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Deptacon
no response??????????

Oh please, even the Oil Minister has said many times the Market is "over-supplied".

All BS

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Deptacon
no response??????????

Oh please, even the Oil Minister has said many times the Market is "over-supplied".

All BS

BS hahahahaha oh please READ THE FACTS we dont have an OIL Minister, of course the saudis wqould say that, so they can justify not increasing output. your mind is more clouded that I though

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Deptacon
no response??????????

Oh please, even the Oil Minister has said many times the Market is "over-supplied".

All BS

Do you dump raw crude oil in your tank dave?

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Deptacon
no response??????????

Oh please, even the Oil Minister has said many times the Market is "over-supplied".

All BS

http://www.oilcrisis.com/nations/2004/

http://www.mbendi.co.za/indy/oilg/p0070.htm

http://smartpei.typepad.com/robert_patersons_weblog/2004/08/energy_crisis_c.html

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/aer/pdf/pages/sec1_8.pdf

here are some more HARD facts, SIMPLE SUPPLY AND DEMAND, or did your education never include a freaking BASIC ECON CLASS!

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Deptacon
here [sic] is [sic] some more HARD facts, SIMPLE SUPPLY AND DEMAND, or did you [sic] education never include a freaking BASIC ECON CLASS!

Did yours never include a spelling/grammar class?

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Deptacon
here [sic] is [sic] some more HARD facts, SIMPLE SUPPLY AND DEMAND, or did you [sic] education never include a freaking BASIC ECON CLASS!

Did yours never include a spelling/grammar class?

WTF IS SIC....sorry, i didnt know the spelling moderator was going to be in today, to change subjects