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Ford, GM and Chrysler pulling out of nascar OMG!

They should do it. Just to send a message to Southern GOP Senators. Let them hear from their NASCAR loving constituents.
 
What's so funny? I think if they are bailed out they should be required pull out. Even if they don't get bailed out, how can they afford to maintain this level of spending? It doesn't even come close to helping product/technological development. If independent teams want to race then let them. The truth is the Big 3 cannot afford to dump tons of money into NASCAR. We all see how many cars they sold as a result of it. A good car sells itself. Winning races isn't going to sell turds.
 
I think the "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday" ideology left NASCAR (aka "stock car" racing) long ago. My guess is sometime around when they... oh, stopped racing "stock cars" or anything remotely close to it.

I'm actually kind of curious as to how much (if anything?) this costs the companies. NASCAR isn't like F1, I think the big majority of the cost is footed by the sponsors.
 
Originally posted by: NutBucket
What's so funny? I think if they are bailed out they should be required pull out. Even if they don't get bailed out, how can they afford to maintain this level of spending? It doesn't even come close to helping product/technological development. If independent teams want to race then let them. The truth is the Big 3 cannot afford to dump tons of money into NASCAR. We all see how many cars they sold as a result of it. A good car sells itself. Winning races isn't going to sell turds.
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I saw an article today about how they're severely cutting back. To them it's still advertising but not as much as it used to be.

The NY times ran an article on their website today about how deep they're cutting at GM. They're literally turning off the elevators at night to save the little bit of electricity that they use. They've cut down to the bone.
 
Originally posted by: NutBucket
What's so funny? I think if they are bailed out they should be required pull out. Even if they don't get bailed out, how can they afford to maintain this level of spending? It doesn't even come close to helping product/technological development. If independent teams want to race then let them. The truth is the Big 3 cannot afford to dump tons of money into NASCAR. We all see how many cars they sold as a result of it. A good car sells itself. Winning races isn't going to sell turds.
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Maybe if they changed the series and had the drivers racing 6,000 lb SUVs around the track...

Think of it, they could use twice the gasoline to do the same thing a car that weighs half the weight could do, carry some lone asshole down a road...just like they do in real life.
 
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: NutBucket
A good car sells itself. Winning races isn't going to sell turds.
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Maybe if they changed the series and had the drivers racing 6,000 lb SUVs around the track...

Think of it, they could use twice the gasoline to do the same thing a car that weighs half the weight could do, carry some lone asshole down a road...just like they do in real life.
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They already have that. Its called the Craftsman Truck Series.
 
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: NutBucket
A good car sells itself. Winning races isn't going to sell turds.
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Maybe if they changed the series and had the drivers racing 6,000 lb SUVs around the track...

Think of it, they could use twice the gasoline to do the same thing a car that weighs half the weight could do, carry some lone asshole down a road...just like they do in real life.
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They already have that. Its called the Craftsman Truck Series.
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Those aren't trucks, they are cars poorly disguised as trucks.
 
Point is, they expect that to sell trucks much like they expect Sprint Cup cars to sell Impalas, Malibus and god forbid Cobalts (SS model excluded).
 
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Point is, they expect that to sell trucks much like they expect Sprint Cup cars to sell Impalas, Malibus and god forbid Cobalts (SS model excluded).
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Bah, nobody buys those vehicles except rental car companies and redneck hicks with only one tooth. 😉
 
Nascar would be much more exciting if they just used vehicles from the showroom floor + roll cage + safety suit.
 
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Nascar would be much more exciting if they just used vehicles from the showroom floor + roll cage + safety suit.
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No, that would be the exact opposite of exciting.
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You don't think seeing stock Vipers, Vettes, and Ford GT's would be exciting? Or Mustang vs. Camaro vs. Challenger races?

That's part of the appeal of rally racing in Europe, the cars and tech are accessible, and not ridiculously out-of-reach specialist race cars.
 
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Nascar would be much more exciting if they just used vehicles from the showroom floor + roll cage + safety suit.
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No, that would be the exact opposite of exciting.
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You don't think seeing stock Vipers, Vettes, and Ford GT's would be exciting? Or Mustang vs. Camaro vs. Challenger races?

That's part of the appeal of rally racing in Europe, the cars and tech are accessible, and not ridiculously out-of-reach specialist race cars.
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That would be the Trans-Am and the ALMS series...which doesn't attract anywhere near the number of viewers/sponsor dollars as nascar does.

In case you hadn't noticed, sponsors and manufacturers are pulling out of WRC too.
 
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Nascar would be much more exciting if they just used vehicles from the showroom floor + roll cage + safety suit.
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No, that would be the exact opposite of exciting.
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You don't think seeing stock Vipers, Vettes, and Ford GT's would be exciting? Or Mustang vs. Camaro vs. Challenger races?

That's part of the appeal of rally racing in Europe, the cars and tech are accessible, and not ridiculously out-of-reach specialist race cars.
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That would be the Trans-Am and the ALMS series...which doesn't attract anywhere near the number of viewers/sponsor dollars as nascar does.

In case you hadn't noticed, sponsors and manufacturers are pulling out of WRC too.
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No, no, no, no!

Trans-Am series was just another over-controlled race series with purpose-built race cars that had very little in common with anything actually sold at a dealership or driven on the street.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Am_Series

"In 1980, the SCCA developed a weight-to-displacement ratio for handicapping cars. Five-liter, 2600 pound vehicles dominated the field. Soon, tube-frame cars would begin to appear on the grid, eventually becoming the standard for Trans-Am competitors."

^^ Boring bullshit that is just as asinine as Nascar.

ALMS is another story, albeit still a wee bit of a stretch from showroom vehicles. You'll notice that it's still in operation, unlike the defunct (as of 2005) Trans-Am series.
 
Manufacturer sponsorship of NASCAR has been a joke for a long time. There is absolutely no reason to still be sponsoring...I can't believe they haven't done it yet frankly...much wasted money.
 
Originally posted by: Bignate603

The NY times ran an article on their website today about how deep they're cutting at GM. They're literally turning off the elevators at night to save the little bit of electricity that they use. They've cut down to the bone.
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Their effort is all for the better...more corporations should be focused on reducing wasted energy output and whatnot. That being said...there is certainly still a management and worker glut (although I believe the UAW has conceeeded the "job bank" for at least a short time...should be permanent).
 
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