Forcing dual layer

[fstime]

Hi, i'm sure everyone who has burned DVDs knows DL disks are very expensive (10 bucks for 1 DVD) and we are usualy forced to shrink the DVD, a lot of the time the burning software does that for you, this reduces the quality obviously, so I was wondering if you can force DL on a SL disk and with what program, thanks.

 

[Jeff7]

I really doubt it, since single layer has only one recordable layer, and dual layer has two, hence the "dual" and "single" monikers. Unless the software can modify the DVD writer's laser into a miniature replicator that can create another layer, I don't think that you can accomplish what you propose.

 

[fstime]

Well that sucks, DL disks are so damn expensive, who is gonna pay 10 bucks for 1 cd and 20 bucks for 3?

 

[RadiclDreamer]

People with too much money

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
Well that sucks, DL disks are so damn expensive, who is gonna pay 10 bucks for 1 cd and 20 bucks for 3?

Give it 6 months, they'll come down.

 

[footbal07]

when i burn my disks i reauthor them, cutting out everything but the movie and 5.1 english. this gives me above 90% quality almost everytime, so unless you have to have all the extra features sl disks arent that bad. i cant speak for everyone here but personally i think i have actually watched the "extras" maybe twice.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Bateluer

Originally posted by: BouZouki
Well that sucks, DL disks are so damn expensive, who is gonna pay 10 bucks for 1 cd and 20 bucks for 3?

Give it 6 months, they'll come down.

Blu-Ray and DVD-HD are coming. They'll render DVD DL obsolete, which means the makers of DL won't have much motivation to lower prices.

 

[bigboxes]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Bateluer

Originally posted by: BouZouki
Well that sucks, DL disks are so damn expensive, who is gonna pay 10 bucks for 1 cd and 20 bucks for 3?

Give it 6 months, they'll come down.

Blu-Ray and DVD-HD are coming. They'll render DVD DL obsolete, which means the makers of DL won't have much motivation to lower prices.

Just how did your logic come up with that one? Dual Layer will not be obsolete. In fact, when Blu-Ray and DVD-HD come out they will come with super expensive media while DL media will have come down in price. It happened with CDs and with each successive increase in DVD media speed. People will still have a need for the appropriate media. Until they come out with HD music & movies, most people will use CDs for music, DVDs (DL) for movies, and Blu-Ray & DVD-HD for archiving. Things will change, but not as fast as you might think.

 

[fstime]

Will the dvd burners out today be able to burn this blu-ray and DVD-HD disks? I hope so, I just ordered a dvd burner.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
Will the dvd burners out today be able to burn this blu-ray and DVD-HD disks? I hope so, I just ordered a dvd burner.

AFAIK you'll need a new burner to burn Blu-Ray or HD-DVD.


Lethal

 

[SunSamurai]

Of course you can, and you can turn a hard drive into a 3500+

 

[fstime]

So its pointless buying a burner now since DVD-HD will be coming out? What are the advantages to dvd-HD , I do not currently own a HDTV.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
So its pointless buying a burner now since DVD-HD will be coming out? What are the advantages to dvd-HD , I do not currently own a HDTV.

id like to know this too, i like the idea of sony's bluray, but its sony so its gonna cost a packet

is DVD-HD related to HDTV ? or isit just a DVD that can have a hell of lot more than 4.7Gb stored on it

 

[fstime]

Maybe, HD quality needs a lot of storage and requires larger disks (DVD-HD) which can store it. I really dont know, i'm just guessing.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Blu-Ray and DVD-HD are coming. They'll render DVD DL obsolete, which means the makers of DL won't have much motivation to lower prices.

Exactly. Dual-layer recordables will remain a relatively-expensive niche market, IMHO. The higher mfg costs simply prevent them from ever reaching the lower-cost/price model of the SL media, and blu-ray SL media will store probably 2X as much as DVD DL, meaning 4X as much as SL (maybe more?), with only roughly-incremental media-production costs. Plus, even though drives are claiming even faster DL burning speeds already, there isn't much DL media out there period, and some of it doesn't even work that well (heard about some issues with the Ritek stuff, Verbatim stuff seems to be alright). And those are the DL discs burned at slower speeds.

 

[fstime]

I did my research, it seems like DVD-HD is coming out late next year (2006) so you guys dont have to worry about ordering your dvd burners now, they'll be goor for a good 2 years.

 

[bigal40]

DL layer isn't going anywhere until DVD-HD and Blu-Ray are out and cheap, that won't be until at least a year. DL is still a new technology and it will start dropping in price. Don't worry about buying a DL dirve beacuse it can't burn Blu-Ray and DVD-HD becasue there is always something new around the coner.

 

[fstime]

I would get a dl drive, like I said, DVD-HD is not coming out for 1 1/2 years. By then DL media will be cheap.

 

[Bateluer]

Of course, once I see BluRay and HD burners, I'll likely pick one up. Once my two 300GB SATA hdds get in, I will have surpassed the TB barrier. 4.7GB annd 8.5GB disks just don't cut it for archival storage when we're talking about that much space.

 

[racefan]

Once the HD DVD's come out you will have to buy a new DVD player also as it in not compatable with the current DVD players we all have so you will be putting out gome good money to be able to view or burn a HD DVD. Big dollar for the first run of everything most likely

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
Will the dvd burners out today be able to burn this blu-ray and DVD-HD disks? I hope so, I just ordered a dvd burner.

Definitely not blu-ray. From what I know of it, it uses blue lasers instead of red or infrared. This gives it a smaller wavelength, and thus the ability to burn tinier pits in the media. So if you have a tiny electromagnetic phase shifter, you're in luck.


DVD-DL is sort of a dead end. It's not projected to get any cheaper due to its pending doom. At this point, for large amounts of data backup, your options are either to wait for DVD-HD/Blu-Ray, use a lot of DVD+RW's, or use removable hard drives.

 

[Tostada]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
DVD-DL is sort of a dead end. It's not projected to get any cheaper due to its pending doom. At this point, for large amounts of data backup, your options are either to wait for DVD-HD/Blu-Ray, use a lot of DVD+RW's, or use removable hard drives.

Where did get that idea? It's totally absurd.

The primary market of DL is the full-quality direct-copy piracy of movies. DL will be extremely widespread once it breaks the $5 barrier. Every idiot in the world will have a DVD-RW and a NetFlix subscription.

Blu-Ray will have almost no effect on the success of DVD+R DL. DVD movies are here now. 98% of them have two layers. You can buy a DL burner for $60.

Do you know when DVD's replacement will hit the market? Not likely; you don't even know what it will be for sure. Do you know when there will be a decent number of movies with a HD transfer available? It will no doubt be several years from now.

You might as well be telling people not to build any new single-core systems. It's a dead end!

 

[Penth]

Originally posted by: Tostada

Originally posted by: Jeff7
DVD-DL is sort of a dead end. It's not projected to get any cheaper due to its pending doom. At this point, for large amounts of data backup, your options are either to wait for DVD-HD/Blu-Ray, use a lot of DVD+RW's, or use removable hard drives.

Where did get that idea? It's totally absurd.

The primary market of DL is the full-quality direct-copy piracy of movies. DL will be extremely widespread once it breaks the $5 barrier. Every idiot in the world will have a DVD-RW and a NetFlix subscription.

Blu-Ray will have almost no effect on the success of DVD+R DL. DVD movies are here now. 98% of them have two layers. You can buy a DL burner for $60.

Do you know when DVD's replacement will hit the market? Not likely; you don't even know what it will be for sure. Do you know when there will be a decent number of movies with a HD transfer available? It will no doubt be several years from now.

You might as well be telling people not to build any new single-core systems. It's a dead end!

I agree. Forget using Windows XP 32-Bit as 64bit edition is coming out. DDR2 will eventually be here for the AMD platform so you'd better wait for that, and trash any drive without SATAII and NCQ!

I just pulled the trigger on a DVD Burner for $60 tonight from newegg. At that price, who cares if it isn't the new hotness in 6 months, much less 2 years, which is probably much closer to a realistic time for these new technologies to filter down.

 

[ribbon13]

spend $600 on video cards regularly, but debate on a sub $100 item that should be more than useful for at least another year and a half or more.

A lite-on dual layer burner is $60. That's less than a days work for more people here.

from 8" to 5.25" to 3.5" to 650mb CD to 700+mb CD to 4.7GB to dual layer to whatever is next.

Just transitions. Wait for the latest thing and you'll wait forever.

 

[overclock]

To make a DL disc just stack two SL discs and put them in the drive. Works everytime.