Forceware thinks that my gtx 460 768mb green is a 460 SE?

[Keysplayr]

Wait, so it's "your job" to find out what "GREEN" in the title means, but you should not have to bother finding out the difference between DDR3 and DDR5, which is clearly in the product description (not to mention the lower price). That strikes as a double standard to me, BOTH products should be more clearly named and labeled.

^bold red

Exactly. The other card was called a 5670. That's it. This card isn't called a GTX460. Or a 460SE. It was called GTX460 Green Edition. Doesn't get any more obvious than that.

Your attempt at drawing a parallel is failing miserably. I believe you know why but will never till your death bed admit it. S'okay. We know.

 

[Vesku]

Wait, so it's "your job" to find out what "GREEN" in the title means, but you should not have to bother finding out the difference between DDR3 and DDR5, which is clearly in the product description (not to mention the lower price). That strikes as a double standard to me, BOTH products should be more clearly named and labeled.

Yes, this issue and the XFX DDR3 issue are functionally equivalent. It's a tried and true retail tactic. Confusing the market helps sales overall, surprisingly enough.

^bold

Exactly.

Your attempt at drawing a parallel is failing miserably. I believe you know why but will never till your death bed admit it. S'okay. We know.

DDR3 was IN THE TITLE for the XFX just as Green was in the title for the Palit. They can both be confusing to someone unfamiliar with graphics card products. Also, in both cases a purchaser made an unintended buying decision that they regretted once they were better informed.

 

[Keysplayr]

Yes, this issue and the XFX DDR3 issue are functionally equivalent. It's a tried and true retail tactic. Confusing the market helps sales overall, surprisingly enough.



DDR3 was IN THE TITLE for the XFX just as Green was in the title for the Palit. They can both be confusing to someone unfamiliar with graphics card products. Also, in both cases a purchaser made an unintended buying decision that they regretted once they were better informed.

Was it really? Show me. Then I'll take it all back. I bet your talking about the product description details.
See ya in the morning. Goin ta bed. This pony has been beaten.

 

[Vesku]

Was it really? Show me. Then I'll take it all back. I bet your talking about the product description details.
See ya in the morning. Goin ta bed. This pony has been beaten.

Right in the title from the page he was buying from no different in that regard to "Green" in the title for the Palit. Neither vendor gets a pass on this one.

 

[3DVagabond]

Uses less power. Yes, that is what usually designates the "Green" nomenclature. Exactly HOW it gets green isn't specified, but it should certainly cause any person, including you, to look at WHAT makes it green. WHAT makes it use less power? Is it less clocks? Is it less memory? Is it less shaders? It HAS to be something. And yes. GREEN usually means slower because some sacrifices have to be made in order to claim less power usage as in one or more of the above mentioned ways.

People do draw double standards here. You are one of them and it's not any of the people saying that this is the fault of the OP not looking into WHY this product was designated GREEN initially.
Time to come off of it, methinks.

Feel free to point it out to me when I do. Although I see no reason for the personal attack, seeing as how I didn't single you or anyone else out. I just made an observation.

P.S. You might want to include the part of my post that was used to make my point. I understand you accidentally deleted it, but maybe you should have just given up on attacking me once you accidentally removed the whole basis of my post and could only pull what I said out of context.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Your attempt at drawing a parallel is failing miserably. I believe you know why but will never till your death bed admit it. S'okay. We know.

:thumbsdown:

Really? Now you're making this personal with quips like "till your death bed"? My point is valid, if you don't agree fine but I see no need for these types of responses.

 

[Grooveriding]

Another example of confusing nomenclature on nvidia's products to sell gutted cards :thumbsdown:

 

[footballrunner800]

Its funny to see everyone always siding with their brand no matter what the matter is.

I don't really see anything wrong with how they advertise the palit or the xfx on the other thread. It's not like XFX or Palit can just make up new names for these hybrids. "Oh yea I just bought an HD6669.7?" And they're not going to downplay their cards by adding things like "NOW WITH LESS SHADERS!" Really its up to the consumer to do the research.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Buyer needs to do the research, bottom line. And if in doubt, ASK someone, Google it, not hard at all.

 

[3DVagabond]

Buyer needs to do the research, bottom line. And if in doubt, ASK someone, Google it, not hard at all.

The OP has already stated as much. When this thread was started, he thought there was a software error he was reporting.

 

[OCGuy]

I still see no reason to buy other than EVGA...except when I wanted to be one of the first people in the world with a retail Fermi card (had to buy a PNY, was first available on launch day)

On a side note, I just RMA'd one of my old GTX280s, and I got a GTX470 in return from EVGA.
I'll never buy from anyone else again on the nV side of things.....


In the case of the OP, I think they should have met in the middle...a little more research on his side, a little more disclosure on Palit's side.

Just like someone coming home with a 6770 thinking they have some new card...or they come home with a 6870 thinking it is faster than a 5870....or buy a 6990M thinking it is a mobile version of the dual-gpu flagship...kinda sad on both ends.

 

[badb0y]

Was it really? Show me. Then I'll take it all back. I bet your talking about the product description details.
See ya in the morning. Goin ta bed. This pony has been beaten.

A screenshot I took from the other thread:

I think the OP got screwed but he should have thought about the "Green" before he hit the checkout button. Just like the guy in the other thread should have seen the DDR3 vs GDDR5 difference in the other thread. If you can't live with the performance RMA it and get the other one, otherwise live and learn.

 

[3DVagabond]

Just like someone coming home with a 6770 thinking they have some new card...or they come home with a 6870 thinking it is faster than a 5870....or buy a 6990M thinking it is a mobile version of the dual-gpu flagship...kinda sad on both ends.

Agreed! The whole industry is playing it a little too cute with their naming schemes. It sure seems to me like the objective is to cause confusion and to make lesser products appear to be better than what they really are.

On AMD's side we have the juggling of the model numbers, as you've mentioned. On nVidia's side we have the multitude of similar model numbers. GTX-460/460se/now 460 Green Edition, the GTX560/560ti, where I've seen the ti called just GTX560 by reviewers. The multitude of O/C models being tested and then the reference clocked models, which are rarely if ever tested, being the price that everyone quotes. Which, of course, is inevitably cheaper than the review cards.

In the end, there isn't much we consumers can do except report it when we find it.

 

[taltamir]

One time (8/21/2002) I bought VGA ABIT|SILURO GF2 T200 32MB TV...

I thought I was getting a Geforce 2 Ti200 but it was a Geforce 2 200MX with TV output via component cable (the T before the 200 stands for TV according to them).

Boy did I feel stupid. I was also certain it said Ti200 and that newegg changed the title from Ti200 to T200 after I purchased it, but I didn't think to keep the receipt (they keep a receipt but it always shows current info in current receipt format, which changes). That was the last time I didn't save a copy of a receipt locally (I only keep digital copies of receipts). I did however decide it was unlikely and as a conscious choice I shall NOT hold it against them, as it was most likely my memory acting up rather then a newegg coverup. (human memory is crap)

I think I primarily blamed myself, I also moved on right away. However I might be a huge hypocrite and its quite plausible that I did in fact cursed the ground the walk on and raged at the injustice of such an intentionally misleading name. (again, can't trust human memory)

 

[-Slacker-]

One thing I'd like to know: Is this a gtx 460 768mb with 48 locked cores, or is it a gtx 460 se with a 192 bit buss and 768 mb as a consequence? If it's the former, then maybe there's a way to unlock the cores, like with the gtx 465...

 

[Keysplayr]

Bottom line is, every consumer should research to some extent. OEM's should very clearly describe what they are selling and name it accordingly. This is happening far too often as we can all see.

 

[Skurge]

One time (8/21/2002) I bought VGA ABIT|SILURO GF2 T200 32MB TV...

I thought I was getting a Geforce 2 Ti200 but it was a Geforce 2 200MX with TV output via component cable (the T before the 200 stands for TV according to them).

Boy did I feel stupid. I was also certain it said Ti200 and that newegg changed the title from Ti200 to T200 after I purchased it, but I didn't think to keep the receipt (they keep a receipt but it always shows current info in current receipt format, which changes). That was the last time I didn't save a copy of a receipt locally (I only keep digital copies of receipts). I did however decide it was unlikely and as a conscious choice I shall NOT hold it against them, as it was most likely my memory acting up rather then a newegg coverup. (human memory is crap)

I think I primarily blamed myself, I also moved on right away. However I might be a huge hypocrite and its quite plausible that I did in fact cursed the ground the walk on and raged at the injustice of such an intentionally misleading name. (again, can't trust human memory)

Yep, I once bought a Radeon 9550 and thought I got an improved 9500 and could unlock the shaders, turned out, I got a crappier version of the 9600pro. It was all good though. I just overclocked the 9550 to 500mhz, although the ram wouldnt go over 250mhz, which was the difference between it and the 9600pro. It died soon after and I bought a proper 9600XT after that.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I've always done quite a bit of research on video cards. You have to. There is a veritable sea of (intentionally?) confusing nomenclature out there.

I don't think that I've ever been "burned" so to speak, on video cards, but I once purchased a HD that the vendor had listed as 7200RPM, but when I got home, found out it was really a high-capacity 5400RPM drive. (14GXP series). The STR was comparable between the 5400 and the lower-capacity 7200RPM of the same series, but I returned it to get the 7200RPM anyways. I think the 7200RPM version was only 10GB in size.

I remember doing research before purchasing my Radeon 9200 AGP card, I managed to get one that was 128-bit, not 64-bit, and the performance difference was noticable (not that the Radeon 9200 was really a performance card, but there was a slight difference).

 

[taltamir]

When I made such a blunder, I considered the cost to be entirely worth the valuable life lessons you get.

 

[FalseChristian]

They should come out with a green GTX 460 1GB. It would have 1MHz less core performance and 500 MB less memory bandwidth.

 

[StrangerGuy]

How is this different from the 128-bit and 256-bit 9800SEs 8 years ago? Or the endless OCed variations of GTX 460 which was even encouraged by Nvidia themselves?

 

[Madcatatlas]

Something had to make it "Green" as opposed to a "Regular" GTX460 768. Correct?
At least this one had something in it's naming convention to give a clue. But yes, vendors should absolutely be clear about stuff like this. I see people here trying to draw parody from the 5670 GDDR3 GDDR5 thread. MadCatAtlas and Cusideabelincoln. Not needed boys. There was something in the name of this product that differentiates it from a standard GTX460. "Green Edition". Means it's different somehow. Your job to find out what after that clue is given.

The GDDR3 6670 should have been called 6670SE (teh suk edition). Then all would be well. You know you're buying less of a card. The only thing separating 6670's that Taltimar linked to is a 3 and a 5 after GDDR. Easy to miss. But 6670SE is pretty much impossible to miss. No. You can all go home with these arguments. No doubt.

A certain biblical referance wouldnt be out of place here...

Anyway, id appreciate it if you didnt call me out in this fashion. Its not needed boy.

Since you do make such a daunting offer, and i mean this:

Was it really? Show me. Then I'll take it all back. I bet your talking about the product description details.
See ya in the morning. Goin ta bed. This pony has been beaten.

Ill link you this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...&SID=u00000687

It shows GDDR3 in both title/overview when you view like 9 cards per page, but it also shows it in title in huge text when you click it like the link shows.

Be a good boy an take it all back now ()


This pony has indeed been beaten.


Edit:
Thread title could do with a change to "Nvidia releases SE edition 768MB ram Gtx460s in the quiet, BEWARE uninformed ..masses".

Im serious, it really does.

 

[Fallengod]

It isnt. There are tons of differently clocked and branded video cards. Its not that hard to understand. Lets see. These days theres what, "Superclocked", "FTW", "FPB", "OC", "Green", "2Win", "EE(external exhaust)"...... It is your job(if you care to), find out all the specs on products you buy if you dont want to be possibly disappointed later on.

Also, The brands or names of the cards indicates there is something done that varies from vanilla cards, ddr3 vs ddr5 is not part of the name of the cards, its just part of a feature set that websites put in the title...... This is the point Keysplayr was trying to make. The name of a card isnt "GTX 460 DDR5", it would be "GTX 460 FTW" or similar. You are confusing the name or branding of the card model with feature sets.

"Green" is no different from any other branding.

 

[Madcatatlas]

It isnt. There are tons of differently clocked and branded video cards. Its not that hard to understand. Lets see. These days theres what, "Superclocked", "FTW", "FPB", "OC", "Green", "2Win", "EE(external exhaust)"...... It is your job(if you care to), find out all the specs on products you buy if you dont want to be possibly disappointed later on.

Also, The brands or names of the cards indicates there is something done that varies from vanilla cards, ddr3 vs ddr5 is not part of the name of the cards, its just part of a feature set that websites put in the title...... This is the point Keysplayr was trying to make. The name of a card isnt "GTX 460 DDR5", it would be "GTX 460 FTW" or similar. You are confusing the name or branding of the card model with feature sets.

"Green" is no different from any other branding.

Its hilarious that you didnt come to the conclusion, after pointing out all those overclocked card "titles" which all have the same amount of hardware, that if a card is released with LESS hardware, ie les Cuda cores or LESS Stream processors, it gets called something else. In this case, the GTX460 with LESS Cuda cores is called "SE". The Radeon 6870 with LESS Stream processors, is called "6850".

The only one being confused here, is you.
I do hope i made myself clear.

 

[Keysplayr]

A certain biblical referance wouldnt be out of place here...

Anyway, id appreciate it if you didnt call me out in this fashion. Its not needed boy.

Since you do make such a daunting offer, and i mean this:



Ill link you this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...&SID=u00000687

It shows GDDR3 in both title/overview when you view like 9 cards per page, but it also shows it in title in huge text when you click it like the link shows.

Be a good boy an take it all back now ()


This pony has indeed been beaten.


Edit:
Thread title could do with a change to "Nvidia releases SE edition 768MB ram Gtx460s in the quiet, BEWARE uninformed ..masses".

Im serious, it really does.

Your over the line, as usual.

I'll take nothing back. The 5670 is still just called a 5670 whether it has GDDR3 or GDDR5. Any GTX460 seems to be clearly branded.
GTX460
GTX460SE
GTX460 Green Edition

I know you know this. But still rage on and fight the good fight. Not effectively though.

I did offer this: "Bottom line is, every consumer should research to some extent. OEM's should very clearly describe what they are selling and name it accordingly. This is happening far too often as we can all see."

I'm pretty sure you can live with that.

Both of you are over the line. Cut the crap or stop posting.
-ViRGE