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Forceware thinks that my gtx 460 768mb green is a 460 SE?

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-Slacker-

Golden Member
It lists it as a gtx 460 SE then I read the listed specs in the forceware system information and, apparently, it's undecided weather or not it's a gtx 460 768mb?

here:



NVIDIA System Information report created on: 08/15/2011 14:06:34
System name: ANDREI-PC

[Display]
Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64-bit (Service Pack 1)
DirectX version: 11.0
GPU processor: GeForce GTX 460 SE WTF?
Driver version: 280.26
DirectX support: 11
CUDA Cores: 288 ok, so now you're sure it's a SE
Core clock: 648 MHz
Shader clock: 1296 MHz
Memory clock: 1700 MHz (3400 MHz data rate)
Memory interface: 192-bit wait, what? now it's a gtx 460 768mb again?
Total available graphics memory: 2559 MB
Dedicated video memory: 768 MB GDDR52 out of 4 correct, not bad for what's supposed to be one of the most complex pieces of code on the planet, blessed by the holy pope himself
System video memory: 0 MB
Shared system memory: 1791 MB
Video BIOS version: 70.04.29.00.02
IRQ: 18
Bus: PCI Express x16 Gen2

[Components]

easyUpdatusAPIU64.DLL 1.4.28.0 NVIDIA Update Components
WLMerger.exe 1.4.28.0 NVIDIA Update Components
Nvlhr.exe 1.4.28.0 NVIDIA Update Components
daemonu.exe 1.4.28.0 NVIDIA Update Components
ComUpdatusPS.dll 1.4.28.0 NVIDIA Update Components
ComUpdatus.exe 1.4.28.0 NVIDIA Update Components
NvUpdtr.dll 1.4.28.0 NVIDIA Update Components
NvUpdt.dll 1.4.28.0 NVIDIA Update Components
nvui.dll 7.17.12.8026 NVIDIA User Experience Driver Component
nvxdsync.exe 8.17.12.8026 NVIDIA User Experience Driver Component
nvxdplcy.dll 8.17.12.8026 NVIDIA User Experience Driver Component
nvxdbat.dll 8.17.12.8026 NVIDIA User Experience Driver Component
nvxdapix.dll 8.17.12.8026 NVIDIA User Experience Driver Component
NVCPL.DLL 8.17.12.8026 NVIDIA User Experience Driver Component
nvCplUI.exe 3.8.812.0 NVIDIA Control Panel
nvWSS.dll 6.14.12.8026 NVIDIA Workstation Server
nvViTvS.dll 6.14.12.8026 NVIDIA Video Server
NVSTVIEW.EXE 7.17.12.8026 NVIDIA 3D Vision Photo Viewer
NVSTTEST.EXE 7.17.12.8026 NVIDIA 3D Vision Test Application
NVSTRES.DLL 7.17.12.8026 NVIDIA 3D Vision Module (0)
NVMCTRAY.DLL 8.17.12.8026 NVIDIA Media Center Library
nvDispS.dll 6.14.12.8026 NVIDIA Display Server
PhysX 09.10.0514 NVIDIA PhysX
NVCUDA.DLL 8.17.12.8026 NVIDIA CUDA 4.0.1 driver
nvGameS.dll 6.14.12.8026 NVIDIA 3D Settings Server



the card I have is this one:

http://www.palit.biz/palit/vgapro.php?id=1462

god, even palit agrees.

So what the hell is this??

Is there a gtx 460 out there that has both the weaknesses of the sucker edition, and the 768 mb edition? WHERE ARE THE REST OF MY 336 CUDA CORES?
 
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http://www.palit.biz/palit/vgapro.php?id=1462

From your link.

Memory Amount 768MB
Memory Interface 192bit
DRAM Type GDDR5
Graphics Clock (MHz) 648MHz
Memory Clock (MHz) 1700MHz (DDR 3400MHz)
Processor Clock (MHz) 1296MHz
CUDA Cores 288
Memory Bandwidth (GB/sec) 81.6
NVIDIA SLI-ready 2-way

Maybe the lesser amount of CUDA cores is what makes it green? I haven't seen any reviews on this part.
 
looks like more investigation was needed when you bought it. The manufactures product page clearly says 228 cuda cores as Keysplayer stated. Better luck next time =)

Where did you buy it?
 
Yeah, I'm slowly realizing that I'm worse than a sucker. This thing is probably no faster than a hd 5770.

Meh, I'm going to call and see if I can get it replaced for a real gpu and pay the appropriate price difference, if that doesn't work I'm selling it.

edit: I am pissed at palit, though, because they named it the way they for the expressed reason that, maybe, idiots like me will be suckered in, thinking they're in for a bargain.

At least, with the HD6770, or the gtx 460 SE, you can find lots of reviews telling you right off the bat that they're trying to con you, but this particular model is as obscure as they get.

The retailer that I got the card from has the same specs as the manufacturer, I just assumed it was a typo, since said retailer is known to mistype specs.
 
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So hold on, are you saying Palit called this card the "green edition"? and didnt include SE in the name of or the title of the product?

Wheres the press!? like omg.


And also, didnt it occur to you (im sorry if this has already been stated) to ask around or find out what the "green" stood for?
I have not seen 1 green product, hardware wise, which isnt inferior to the nongreen/standard version.


And sorry if i stepped on your toes with this reply, i realise you are taking some blame in your last post.



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Palit GeForce® GTX460 Green Edition packs all the hottest features of GTX 460 GPU but with a more affordable price. Built from the ground up for DirectX 11, Palit GeForce® GTX460 Green Edition delivers the ultimate next generation gaming experience. And with NVIDIA 3D Vision, PhysX, and CUDA technologies, Palit GeForce® GTX460 Green Edition powers all the incredibly realistic effects that your games can throw its way.
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I laughed hard.
 
Does it play the games you want at good fps and with a fair amount of graphics turned up?
If so what does it matter if its a green, black, or purple edition?
Just play the games and think of all the green you'll be saving on electric bills with your eco friendly gpu. Too much is put into epeen factor (yeah I know I have a 580 so who am I to talk). But seriously I always have had more fun playing the games not looking at the water effects dialed up.
 
-Slacker- said:
Well, it's nice that you decided to point that out, otherwise I might have felt annoyed with your beating of an already dead horse 😀
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hehe 😉

I did try to score a little point about a few certain individuals which would be quick to say "omg they didnt name the product correctly, bait and switch"

And they still might, and they might even have a point as far as this Palit product goes..
 
Madcatatlas said:
So hold on, are you saying Palit called this card the "green edition"? and didnt include SE in the name of or the title of the product?

Wheres the press!? like omg.


And also, didnt it occur to you (im sorry if this has already been stated) to ask around or find out what the "green" stood for?
I have not seen 1 green product, hardware wise, which isnt inferior to the nongreen/standard version.


And sorry if i stepped on your toes with this reply, i realise you are taking some blame in your last post.



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I laughed hard.
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That description was pretty vague. I would call and complain too, it was a cut-down gtx 460.
 
Wow, a 768MB, 192-bit, SE (288 shader core) GTX460. Hadn't seen one of those before.

Should have called it the "SuperSucka edition" (SSE).

Thanks for bringing this information to light, OP.
 
Palit sure is bilking the masses. How far do you have to research? I mean really, not one review of the ddr3 model on the whole freaking internet? Thats just wrong man. If only there were a few reviews out there or some easier way to know the difference. I hope this thread gets 4,000 times this page was viewed, we can save at least one person from being ripped off and give many card buyers the knowledge how not to get ripped off by these poor business practices in the future. Maybe we can even sticky this for a few weeks. How far does are these companies gonna take this?
 
cusideabelincoln said:
Palit sure is bilking the masses. How far do you have to research? I mean really, not one review of the ddr3 model on the whole freaking internet? Thats just wrong man. If only there were a few reviews out there or some easier way to know the difference. I hope this thread gets 4,000 times this page was viewed, we can save at least one person from being ripped off and give many card buyers the knowledge how not to get ripped off by these poor business practices in the future. Maybe we can even sticky this for a few weeks. How far does are these companies gonna take this?
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I vote to sticky this topic. This way the uninformed customer won't get duped into buying a lesser card. The OP was clearly swindled by Palit. I'm outraged by this.....If we can save one unsuspecting customer, we've done the world some justice.
 
bryanW1995 said:
Can't we just rename this thread? I guess that nvidia board partners really do have confusing naming schemes just like amd partners do, after all...
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I was one of those pointing out it's a retail electronics thing (Magnetbox anyone?) and not a brand specific problem.

At least XFX listed the crippling DDR3 in the product title, look at how Palit avoids SE branding like the plague replacing it with a nice eco-friendly "Green". Perhaps 5th Element was on TV as they were naming this card. Keep an eye out for the Palit 460 SuperGreen edition. Flashback to 9600GT/GSO guess the core count and memory bus days.
 
Something had to make it "Green" as opposed to a "Regular" GTX460 768. Correct?
At least this one had something in it's naming convention to give a clue. But yes, vendors should absolutely be clear about stuff like this. I see people here trying to draw parody from the 5670 GDDR3 GDDR5 thread. MadCatAtlas and Cusideabelincoln. Not needed boys. There was something in the name of this product that differentiates it from a standard GTX460. "Green Edition". Means it's different somehow. Your job to find out what after that clue is given.
 
Less spec sheet hunting with DDR3 than Green in the title and personally I'd guess lower clocks before disabled cores, tbh, but "buyer beware" has been coined for a reason.
 
I dont understand the flawed logic here either. Lets use our brains a little bit.... "Green" obviously designates that something had to be done to make it "green" right? When you see "green" on something, don't you think there is obviously something done to it to make it "green"? Id guess you just didnt give it much thought, and because of that, paid for your mistake. I completely agree with Keysplayr. Buyers fault entirely. Just like a western digital green has a reason for being green. In addition, I guess the specs were never looked at which would have also indicated the speeds of the video card.
 
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Something using less power, which to me is all green edition means, doesn't mean it's lower performance.
Some people just like to draw a double standard for their favorite brand, is all. The fact that it's actually a GTX460SE 768 green edition, and it states it's a GTX460 768 green edition is OK to them. Putting DDR3 in the name wasn't enough of a clue though?
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My apologies 3DVagabond. I hit EDIT instead of quote and may have mangled your post here.
Anandtech Moderator - Keysplayr

Yes you did. You managed to wipe out everything I posted to make the point in what you left. 😛

An accident is an accident, though. All's good. I'll try and fix it.

What I pointed out was the Intel Q9550s uses 65W and the Q9550 uses 95W. Performance is identical though.

It should be noted that when the Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 originally came out it had a Thermal Design Power (TDP) rating of 95W. The processor I have in my hands today is a new E0 stepping that has a TDP of just 65W! Intel informed Legit Reviews that the 65W parts would carry an S at the end, so this part is officially the Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550S. The performance between the Q9550 and Q9550S remain the same, so the only difference is the thermal profiles.
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http://www.legitreviews.com/article/925/1/
 
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Keysplayr said:
Something had to make it "Green" as opposed to a "Regular" GTX460 768. Correct?
At least this one had something in it's naming convention to give a clue. But yes, vendors should absolutely be clear about stuff like this. I see people here trying to draw parody from the 5670 GDDR3 GDDR5 thread. MadCatAtlas and Cusideabelincoln. Not needed boys. There was something in the name of this product that differentiates it from a standard GTX460. "Green Edition". Means it's different somehow. Your job to find out what after that clue is given.
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Wait, so it's "your job" to find out what "GREEN" in the title means, but you should not have to bother finding out the difference between DDR3 and DDR5, which is clearly in the product description (not to mention the lower price). That strikes as a double standard to me, BOTH products should be more clearly named and labeled.
 
Something using less power, which to me is all green edition means, doesn't mean it's lower performance.
Some people just like to draw a double standard for their favorite brand, is all. The fact that it's actually a GTX460SE 768 green edition, and it states it's a GTX460 768 green edition is OK to them. Putting DDR3 in the name wasn't enough of a clue though?
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Uses less power. Yes, that is what usually designates the "Green" nomenclature. Exactly HOW it gets green isn't specified, but it should certainly cause any person, including you, to look at WHAT makes it green. WHAT makes it use less power? Is it less clocks? Is it less memory? Is it less shaders? It HAS to be something. And yes. GREEN usually means slower because some sacrifices have to be made in order to claim less power usage as in one or more of the above mentioned ways.

People do draw double standards here. You are one of them and it's not any of the people saying that this is the fault of the OP not looking into WHY this product was designated GREEN initially.
Time to come off of it, methinks.
 
Fallengod said:
I dont understand the flawed logic here either. Lets use our brains a little bit.... "Green" obviously designates that something had to be done to make it "green" right? When you see "green" on something, don't you think there is obviously something done to it to make it "green"? Id guess you just didnt give it much thought, and because of that, paid for your mistake. I completely agree with Keysplayr. Buyers fault entirely. Just like a western digital green has a reason for being green. In addition, I guess the specs were never looked at which would have also indicated the speeds of the video card.
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-I think everyone can agree that buyer beware holds true for almost anything you're going to put your hard earned money toward. In his defense, however, green in my experience has always meant lower clock speeds (a la the 9800GT "Green" editions which did not require a PCI-E power connector), not a freakish hybrid of GTS 460 SE and GTX 460 768mb. Vendors also put all sorts of WTF crap on their boxes (Hawk, Cyclone, Dual CU etc etc etc).

Whats really fascinating here though is the 460 SE chip with a 192-bit bus. I think everyone knew palit was one of the lower tier manufacturers but damn getting the scraps of the scraps and selling your name down the river for it is kinda blegh.

This is certainly no OCZ Nand-Gate level stuff here but it should be universally frowned upon.
 
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