Forbes: Why Obamacare's Website Keeps Crashing

[spacejamz]

He's just feeding the weak minded conspiracy theorists what they want to hear.

They've gone wild ever since Obama was elected, exhibiting giant leaps of faith in multiple non-scandals & imbroglios existing only in their vivid imaginations.

Obviously, there's good money in doing that- it's not like the pundits & prognosticators on the Right are living in poverty. They have the chumps dialed in, pushing their buttons as easily as Clapton plays the guitar.

Gotta love it as NBCNews.com tries to spin the Obamacare exchange failures as a missed GOP opportunity...

GOP misses chance to capitalize on Obamacare fails: http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_new...-off-tea-partys-real-obsession-obamacare?lite

The enrollment process for uninsured people has been plagued by software malfunctions. Washington Post columnist Ezra Klein, usually an Obama administration ally, wrote Monday, “The magnitude of this failure is stunning.”

 

[Jhhnn]

Gotta love it as NBCNews.com tries to spin the Obamacare exchange failures as a missed GOP opportunity...

GOP misses chance to capitalize on Obamacare fails: http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_new...-off-tea-partys-real-obsession-obamacare?lite

The enrollment process for uninsured people has been plagued by software malfunctions. Washington Post columnist Ezra Klein, usually an Obama administration ally, wrote Monday, “The magnitude of this failure is stunning.”

Failure is one thing. Conspiracy! Conspiracy! Conspiracy! is entirely another, which is what the opinion piece cited in the OP contends.

It's bullshit.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'm finding it hard to believe that the effort of Obama et al is being spent on crashing a website so people can't get information on ACA costs.

I see ego and poor judgement, but conspiracy? No.

There's a difference between doing the wrong things for the right reasons and something that the Horsemen from the old X-Files would conjure up.

 

[spacejamz]

I'm finding it hard to believe that the effort of Obama et al is being spent on crashing a website so people can't get information on ACA costs.

I see ego and poor judgement, but conspiracy? No.

There's a difference between doing the wrong things for the right reasons and something that the Horsemen from the old X-Files would conjure up.

Bowfinger is the only one calling it a conspiracy...Is it not common sense that Obama would want the Exchange user interface to display the subsidized amount so that potential users would not get discouraged by seeing the huge (in many cases) unsubsidized premium amounts?

Even knowing that this requirement (which was decided in the 11th hour) would negatively affect system performance/response time, they still implemented it that way anyway....

 

[michal1980]

Are you trying to tell me that you have issues with different skin colors, different histories and beliefs? Jesus Christ, what are you, a bigot? What kind of a worthless asshole cares more about a white child than a child of some other race? Can't you see that little kids that grow up loved love? You won't come to any harm in a society of loving people. Everybody will be looking out for everybody else. Why the fuck do you think I waste so much of my time talking to a donkey like you. That love is there in you, just buried under a ton of shit. You may fancy the smell of shit, but I smell the love. Now go fuck yourself, grow up, and learn to love. You'll be happy you did.

And don't forget what I always say: Your shit fertilizes my garden, so if you feel like throwing some, and I know you do, have at it and make my garden bloom.

go back on your meds.

My hypothesis is that societies where everyone is the 'same' are far more likely to be happy then societies where everyone is different.

Finland - ~96% finish (white) 76% practice the same religion

Denmark - 87% native (white) 79% practice one religion

Sweden ~80 native (white) 67% practice one religion

usa ~ 72% white 13% black, 16% Hispanic origin. 20% speak a language different then English, 31 different groups (ie german americans) have populations of 1 million plus (each group 1/7 to 1/8 the total population of the Scandinavia countries.) Religion 50% protestant. 50% other.


So fuck your theories of socialism = happiness. Fuck your mental defect theories.

 

[Bowfinger]

Bowfinger is the only one calling it a conspiracy. ...

You're either reading impaired or a liar. I've suggested nothing of the sort.

 

[First]

go back on your meds.

My hypothesis is that societies where everyone is the 'same' are far more likely to be happy then societies where everyone is different.

Finland - ~96% finish (white) 76% practice the same religion

Denmark - 87% native (white) 79% practice one religion

Sweden ~80 native (white) 67% practice one religion

usa ~ 72% white 13% black, 16% Hispanic origin. 20% speak a language different then English, 31 different groups (ie german americans) have populations of 1 million plus (each group 1/7 to 1/8 the total population of the Scandinavia countries.) Religion 50% protestant. 50% other.


So fuck your theories of socialism = happiness. Fuck your mental defect theories.

You're not intelligent. FYI.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

go back on your meds.

My hypothesis is that societies where everyone is the 'same' are far more likely to be happy then societies where everyone is different.

Finland - ~96% finish (white) 76% practice the same religion

Denmark - 87% native (white) 79% practice one religion

Sweden ~80 native (white) 67% practice one religion

usa ~ 72% white 13% black, 16% Hispanic origin. 20% speak a language different then English, 31 different groups (ie german americans) have populations of 1 million plus (each group 1/7 to 1/8 the total population of the Scandinavia countries.) Religion 50% protestant. 50% other.


So fuck your theories of socialism = happiness. Fuck your mental defect theories.

Oh dear, someone picked a small sample group and came to a conclusion.

 

[AViking]

go back on your meds.

My hypothesis is that societies where everyone is the 'same' are far more likely to be happy then societies where everyone is different.

Finland - ~96% finish (white) 76% practice the same religion

Denmark - 87% native (white) 79% practice one religion

Sweden ~80 native (white) 67% practice one religion

usa ~ 72% white 13% black, 16% Hispanic origin. 20% speak a language different then English, 31 different groups (ie german americans) have populations of 1 million plus (each group 1/7 to 1/8 the total population of the Scandinavia countries.) Religion 50% protestant. 50% other.


So fuck your theories of socialism = happiness. Fuck your mental defect theories.

Kinda a racist argument.

Sweden is pretty diverse now. It has changed dramatically in the last 20 years. If you're outside of the cities it's homogeneous but the 3 large population centers in the country have most of the people and they are diverse.

At the end of the day all humans are afraid of things that are different. I think it's safe to say though that the happiness over here has to do with the quality of life and not the color of our neighbors.

 

[michal1980]

Oh dear, someone picked a small sample group and came to a conclusion.

So why don't you call out moonbeam?

He made the claim that Scandinavia countries are happier due to socialism.

That's not a small sample size?

 

[michal1980]

Kinda a racist argument.

Sweden is pretty diverse now. It has changed dramatically in the last 20 years. If you're outside of the cities it's homogeneous but the 3 large population centers in the country have most of the people and they are diverse.

At the end of the day all humans are afraid of things that are different. I think it's safe to say though that the happiness over here has to do with the quality of life and not the color of our neighbors.

Hows my argument racist?

I'm saying that instead of attributing the 'happiness' of these countries to socialism, like moonbeam is, that maybe there is something different that causes that.

Sweden is getting more diverse, and is starting to see more riots.

http://www.voanews.com/content/riot...-immigration-policy-in-spotlight/1669193.html

I'm not saying any race is better then another. I'm saying that countries that are more monolithic are happier.

There's generally less tension due to less diversity, not only in the color of peoples skin, but in their life experience. When nearly everyone is white, and of the same religion, there life experience tends to be the same. They were treated similarly in school, work, society etc. You don't have the race tensions due to real or imagined racism. etc etc

We see that immigration increases tensions in society increase, its happening in Sweden, happened in Germany, France, England.

etc etc.

to just simple state that socialism - greater happiness is narrow-minded stupidity.

By that standard the USSR was the happiest place on earth.

 

[michal1980]

You're not intelligent. FYI.

far smarter then you.

Just to add to my line of thinking.

"The study, the largest ever on civic engagement in America, found that virtually all measures of civic health are lower in more diverse settings." (Harvard)

http://boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/



"It is an uncomfortable conclusion from happiness research data perhaps - but multicultural communities tend to be less trusting and less happy"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/happiness_formula/5012478.stm




A map of world wide diversity. Look at those European countries. So NOT diverse.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-most-and-least-ethnically-diverse-countries/

So now you and moonbeam can go fuck yourselves.

Your nothing but pea brain assholes.

 

[AViking]

No offense but you have an unbending opinion. One that cannot be changed. If you didn't you wouldn't find the ONE riot we have had here where a hundred kids burned a hundred cars. I live here. I also lived in LA. The Rodney King Riots were a riot. This was a bunch of trouble maker kids burning a few cars and throwing some rocks for a few days until the neighbors came out and yelled at them to stop. I'm not trying to necessarily down play the riot but the scope of it is kinda important.

Regardless your argument is racist. You said that the reason we are so happy here is because we're all the same. I'm telling you that we aren't. It's not as diverse as San Francisco necessarily but it's made huge changes in the last couple of generations. My mother didn't see her first black person until she was in her early 20's.

Racial tension in Sweden are a fact of life just like they are in the USA. People simply fear what is different. It takes time to integrate into a new society. The problem we have here with immigration is that unemployment is something like 8.7% and most of those are immigrants. Once they get integrated and get a job it gets much better but the town that had the riots is filled with people who are fresh off the boat. Population 11,000 people.

My family in the states had a hard time until they learned English and got established. That's the reality of immigration. They are outside of the system in the beginning. I can't just move to Iran and be part of their world. It doesn't work like that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Stockholm_riots

Might be worth a look for you since your link didn't actually mention the cause of the riots.

 

[michal1980]

No offense but you have an unbending opinion. One that cannot be changed. If you didn't you wouldn't find the ONE riot we have had here where a hundred kids burned a hundred cars. I live here. I also lived in LA. The Rodney King Riots were a riot. This was a bunch of trouble maker kids burning a few cars and throwing some rocks for a few days until the neighbors came out and yelled at them to stop. I'm not trying to necessarily down play the riot but the scope of it is kinda important.

Regardless your argument is racist. You said that the reason we are so happy here is because we're all the same. I'm telling you that we aren't. It's not as diverse as San Francisco necessarily but it's made huge changes in the last couple of generations. My mother didn't see her first black person until she was in her early 20's.

Racial tension in Sweden are a fact of life just like they are in the USA. People simply fear what is different. It takes time to integrate into a new society. The problem we have here with immigration is that unemployment is something like 8.7% and most of those are immigrants. Once they get integrated and get a job it gets much better but the town that had the riots is filled with people who are fresh off the boat. Population 11,000 people.

My family in the states had a hard time until they learned English and got established. That's the reality of immigration. They are outside of the system in the beginning. I can't just move to Iran and be part of their world. It doesn't work like that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Stockholm_riots

Might be worth a look for you since your link didn't actually mention the cause of the riots.

Try to follow along

I live in the USA.
Moonbeam made the claim that Scandinavian countries are happier because of socialism.

I made the claim (and backed it up with links and studies) that show that a lack of diversity is what might be the cause behind their happiness.

I'm saying America is less happy because its more diverse.


There is nothing racist about my argument. nothing. Only someone that doesn't know what the word racist means would make that claim.

 

[AViking]

So you're sticking to your theory that your black neighbors and asian coworkers are making you unhappy? It has nothing to do with the lack of social programs?

Quality of life is a relative thing. Your opinion is your own. I am simply saying that it is racist.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Please cite your source. I keep seeing that $500 million figure tossed out as if it is the cost of the computer system, yet that's not the case based on what I've read. The $500M figure includes all expenses: offices, call centers, administrative costs, marketing, etc. The IT systems are only one portion of that total.

Fine, I'll take your $500M. It's still ridiculous. But it was built on 'good intentions', so it's all good.

 

[PokerGuy]

So you're sticking to your theory that your black neighbors and asian coworkers are making you unhappy? It has nothing to do with the lack of social programs?

You are apparently too stupid to understand what he's saying, so you fall back to the old "you are racist" idiocy. He's said absolutely nothing racist, he's making an assertion that lack of diversity (regardless of what races are involved) could be a reason for happier societies, and he backed it up with credible studies. He brought that up as a counter to moonie's assertion that socialism is the cause for happiness. I don't know if he's right or not, but that's not relevant.

Quality of life is a relative thing. Your opinion is your own. I am simply saying that it is racist.

You are too dumb to understand what he's saying, there is absolutely NO racist element to what he's saying -- at all. He's not saying anything about the merits of one race or another, in fact he's saying nothing at all about any race. Try going back and reading again, maybe hold off on posting until you actually understand what is being said.

 

[diesbudt]

Obamacare's Website Is Crashing Because It Doesn't Want You To Know How Costly Its Plans Are

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...snt-want-you-to-know-health-plans-true-costs/

Interesting information in the article....

Is this honesty by the government [cough]bullshit[/cough] or an attempt to prevent sticker shock??

All at the expense of providing a 3rd world experience to those using the Obamacare site...

Is the Website with Full A.I. now and crashes itself!?

 

[Jhhnn]

Fine, I'll take your $500M. It's still ridiculous. But it was built on 'good intentions', so it's all good.

Heh. $500M is chump change compared to what we'll pay in extra interest on the national debt if Teahadists force default.

Get some perspective.

 

[diesbudt]

Heh. $500M is chump change compared to what we'll pay in extra interest on the national debt if Teahadists force default.

Get some perspective.

We also could have spent that $500 million on the interest and for-go a failure plan until it is hashed out better without as many iffy problems and issues.

 

[SaurusX]

IN response to "What's fair and just is people pay for what they use."

I found a clear examples of this, that pretty much everyone agrees is OK, (Medicare and SS), and you just poopoo my argument b/c, uh, you're suddenly uncomfortable about how absurdly relevant that is?

yeah, no. My point stands and laughs at you.

You're comparing government mandated benefits to private insurance. The co-opting of the private insurance market and attempting to shoehorn it into the public benefit mould breaks the very pillars of what insurance is built upon. That being each individual pays the commensurate premium for the risk they pose to the company assuming the liability. The attempt of Obamacare to "make things fair" is anything but.

Further--you want to buy and drive a WRX? that's a "pre-existing" condition to insurers. meaning, you get to pay a premium for this condition, compared to those buying a Camry, because of the population driving WRX. Of course, those kids gunning it from stop light to stop light are part of the larger pool, as well.

For whatever reason, we have accepted this behavior of insurers. Why is it suddenly so offensive?

You really have no idea what you're talking about. The concept of a pre-exisiting condition is not relevant to property and casualty lines of insurance. Rates applied to sports cars are indeed more because of the imperical data showing that they're involved in more accidents and are more expensive to repair. The cause for the higher frequency of claims could be due to any number of factors including age. But age is also a class that insurers rate for, so a 45 year old and a 17 year old driving the same car are not going to have the same rate. In the end, you're not paying a higher rate because of kids wrecking the same model of your chosen car.

Also, transferring money from the young (poor?) to the older (wealthy?) classes? Since when are people being booted off of medicare? Why is a high deductible but average premium so expensive for a younger person? Doesn't that plan actually make a lot of sense for a younger and supposedly healthier person?

Again, medicare has nothing to do with this, it's a government benefit. And the plan chosen by someone should be what they decide is the best fit for their health and financial situation. Protecting against only catastrophic accidents with a high deductible makes sense if you're generally healthy. It's the paying more for that plan because you're helping grandma pay for her home pharmacy from her litany of conditions that doesn't make sense.

 

[umbrella39]

far smarter then you....

So now you and moonbeam can go fuck yourselves.

Your nothing but pea brain assholes.

You should really, really just pull your car in the garage and keep the motor running with the door down. You already post like your brain has been dead for years. Make it official. You are by far the most pathetic person to ever disgrace this board.

LOLibertarian

 

[Jhhnn]

We also could have spent that $500 million on the interest and for-go a failure plan until it is hashed out better without as many iffy problems and issues.

Pre-supposes facts not in evidence, ie, "failure".

Not to mention that the perfect is the enemy of the good.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's the paying more for that plan because you're helping grandma pay for her home pharmacy from her litany of conditions that doesn't make sense.

It makes sense when you realize that you'll basically be her before you know it.

Well, unless you believe in the right wing fairy tale that you'll be rich by then.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Interesting note; Chrome 30 and Firefox 24 work very well with healthcare.gov. IE10.....haha not so much. I actually got the same message Londo got the first 3 times in IE10, but the 4th try in IE10 gave me the normal message below:

Moral of the story; don't use the Internet if you're still using IE.

I tried Safari and Seamonkey (2.21) on OS X 10.8.5

Seamonkey showed the error as yesterday where Safari went to the next screen immediately.

Fired up my Win 7 system and had the following results using IE 10 and Seamonkey (2.21)

Again Seamonkey showed the same error and it took 3 attempts to get through to the next screen in IE 10

This has to be an issue with plugins and possibly combined with site traffic.