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For those who whine like little girls about PS3 updates...

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gorcorps said:
Yes... Especially when the competing console doesn't have such problems. It's a cut throat industry and Sony needs to get their shit together if they don't want to drive people away.
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If something silly like firmware updates drives you away, then go ahead and sell your console. You obviously don't have any reason to have it to begin with.

Drama queens always gotta make irrelevant issues suddenly a crisis.
 
I don't think he meant it would drive him to not get the system. I don't own a PS3 anymore, but when I did own one the constant slow updates did drive me crazy. It isn't a big deal to people that have plenty of time to play games, but for people that only get a little bit of time on a few days a week, to constantly spend that time having to get updated would drive you crazy. Just look at it from that perspective.
 
I like how making a valid complaint is completely misconstrued as "whining" and being a "drama queen". Besides, if the OP hadn't made his entire topic title 100% bait, then this thread wouldn't have made it past 6 posts and no mention of download speed.
 
I love how people claim theres soooo many updates. Since Jan 1st of 2010 Sony has put out all of 6 updates this year. 9 months for 6 updates....thats not that many. Especially since two were aimed at security (remove other OS....debatable i know and 3.42 for jailbreak). 10 updates since September 1st of 2009. Not even an update a month......
 
Malak said:
If something silly like firmware updates drives you away, then go ahead and sell your console. You obviously don't have any reason to have it to begin with.

Drama queens always gotta make irrelevant issues suddenly a crisis.
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It doesn't drive me to sell it, but it will drive me away from another playstation in the next generation... which is exactly what I said before. I got it for the games, which obviously is more important than anything. It has the best exclusives for me and I've enjoyed those, but the little things are starting to pile up to make what's supposed to be a fun to use system more of an annoyance.

You can keep taking offense (I knew you fanboys would)... I however refuse to just accept it when the "other guys" have figured out a way to make updates MUCH faster, more streamlined, and not interfere with game time. When I see an update on the 360 I feel more of a "OOOOH! I wonder what they added/fixed?" When I see an update on the PS3 I think "well fuck, guess I'll play something on the 360 and let this update". I have work and school to deal with and can only play 30mins-1 hour at a time. When an update can take 10-20 minutes that's a big chunk of my time.

Congrats on not having enough responsibilities in life to not be affected by these updates, I bet it feels nice. The adults however have things to do.
 
gorcorps said:
Congrats on not having enough responsibilities in life to not be affected by these updates, I bet it feels nice. The adults however have things to do.
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I have two jobs totaling about 60 hours a week, and I manage to find time for games and friends just fine 😛. Not saying you aren't allowed to feel otherwise, etc. It's just...

This thread is dumb...
 
peritusONE said:
I like how making a valid complaint is completely misconstrued as "whining" and being a "drama queen". Besides, if the OP hadn't made his entire topic title 100% bait, then this thread wouldn't have made it past 6 posts and no mention of download speed.
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Exactly, it's a valid complaint, plain and simple. The only argument against it is to trivialize the complaint and the people complaining, because the problem itself is completely indefensible given the competition does it better.

If there was a good reason ps3 updates needed to take longer, then it'd be a different story. But there isn't, it's just poorly designed, end of story. It's not even open to debate.

The only thing worse than people complaining about something on the Internet is the people complaining that others don't have a valid complaint. One might be construed as a whiner, but the day whining is gone from forums hell will freeze over. The other side is just completely devoid of substance on a black and white issue like this.
 
velillen said:
I love how people claim theres soooo many updates. Since Jan 1st of 2010 Sony has put out all of 6 updates this year. 9 months for 6 updates....thats not that many. Especially since two were aimed at security (remove other OS....debatable i know and 3.42 for jailbreak). 10 updates since September 1st of 2009. Not even an update a month......
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And how many updates have been out for the 360. This is the point some people are trying to get at.
 
Also, different strokes and all that. The PS3's updates have been negligible to me. I didn't use Linux, I don't use Netflix, yadda yadda. Conversely, the 360 redid the entire fucking dashboard (old one was better) and added those stupid fucking Mii's, oh wait, I mean avatars, that are a complete waste of my time, and I can't turn them off. I also can't turn off channels I don't give a shit about on the 360 (or the PS3, but they're far easier to navigate there).

The systems are different, the software is different. They both have their pros, and they both definitely have their cons. Both companies are nothing but greedy (see: both companies ripping off the Wii's motion control success), and neither deserves unconditional support.
 
American Gunner said:
And how many updates have been out for the 360. This is the point some people are trying to get at.
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Since Sept 2009 (since i provided that for PS3) you have had 4 (or 3 since the next one is November 4th?) All of which really havent added anything note worthy. (not that ps3's updates are noteworthy minus a couple such as adding HD audio and 3d support)

Its really a moot point since its just PS3 fanboys vs 360 fanboys. 360 you have to pay to be online for me right there thats enough to deal with the every ~6 week update for PS3.

Im just trying to point out its not like the PS3 gets updated weekly or some crap. Some people sure try to make it sound like it.
 
velillen said:
Since Sept 2009 (since i provided that for PS3) you have had 4 (or 3 since the next one is November 4th?) All of which really havent added anything note worthy. (not that ps3's updates are noteworthy minus a couple such as adding HD audio and 3d support)

Its really a moot point since its just PS3 fanboys vs 360 fanboys. 360 you have to pay to be online for me right there thats enough to deal with the every ~6 week update for PS3.

Im just trying to point out its not like the PS3 gets updated weekly or some crap. Some people sure try to make it sound like it.
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But 360 updates take all of 10 seconds to download, while PS3 updates usually requires you to start it and then walk away for 10-20 minutes. Hell, even the huge new dashboard update from last year or two years ago (whenever it was) only took maybe 3 minutes max to download and install. It took 3.5 longer than that just to download for me this afternoon.

Look, it's an annoyance, nobody here is saying they're taking their PS3 back to the store because of it. Just because your neighbor gets loud for about 20 minutes once every couple of month doesn't mean you're going to move, but it doesn't mean you're stupid for rolling your eyes when you hear him. The 360 is fast with downloads and installation of patches, the PS3 is horribly slow. It's annoying, simple as that.
 
But 360 updates take all of 10 seconds to download, while PS3 updates usually requires you to start it and then walk away for 10-20 minutes.
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Timed today's update again, under 3 minutes total(including reboot and install). Something is seriously wrong with people's networks/service providers if it's taking 15 minutes to download these updates. I'm hitting 2Mb-3Mb/sec from PSN for firmware updates, faster then I get Window's Updates.
 
lol the PS3 updates take so long for me that the words on the screen leave serious temp image retention on my plasma
todays took between 10-15 to DL+ install, i stopped paying attention around the 8 min mark
 
American Gunner said:
And how many updates have been out for the 360. This is the point some people are trying to get at.
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That point is irrelevant. Less than 1 update a month is not, by any definition, frequent. Taking 10 minutes once every couple months is hardly a valid complaint, let alone one that warrants 2 threads and constant crying. This has nothing to do with being a fanboy, the complaint is simply irrational. If I were a fanboy, I wouldn't have purchased an Xbox first.
 
Just timed the update, 6 minutes with an 18Mbps connection. However half the time was download time, the other half was install time. And yes, 6 minutes compared to 10 seconds is a big difference.

Sony just makes PS3 updates VERY inconvenient, but I guess that is the way it is.
 
gorcorps said:
You've seen how many people are complaining about it here haven't you? People that know about the alternatives will make choices based on that during the next generation. I know that I won't be looking to Sony for my next console now that I have both and know what to expect from each side. Just because YOU don't think it's important doesn't mean nobody does. Hardcore gamers care about the little things.
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Next generation? I'll remember my RROD XBOX 360. That's what I'll remember. Bitching about 9 updates in 12 months is nothing compared to losing your XBOX for weeks on end. Multiple times. And people will remember when the XBOX 360 failure rate was 54%. They'll also remember the nickel-n-dime that is Microsoft. But continue to bitch you shall...
 
Narmer said:
Next generation? I'll remember my RROD XBOX 360. That's what I'll remember. Bitching about 9 updates in 12 months is nothing compared to losing your XBOX for weeks on end. Multiple times. And people will remember when the XBOX 360 failure rate was 54%. They'll also remember the nickel-n-dime that is Microsoft. But continue to bitch you shall...
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That's fine, and you should remember it... the RROD was/is a big deal. Just like I remembered going through several PS2s. I had an original fatty that had a laser failure not too far after warranty, which I then bought a slim and that failed within the warranty period. I've only had one RROD, so as far as replacements are concerned Microsoft is (barely) winning right now for me.
 
I don't have a serious problem with updates on either platform (and both my 360 and PS3 are wired to the same client bridge operating in G mode), but the XBox update process is, in my mind, clearly the more streamlined process. Once the download bar finishes, the console reboots, done. PS3 updates, on the other hand, download and then install, and regardless of the actual total time elapsed (which I have not bothered to check for either system), two progress bars certainly feels longer than one.

If anything, Wii system updates take longest of all. But it's already so fashionably easy to dump on the Wii that no one complains.

Bias disclaimers: I own all three consoles. My XBox 360 did have an RROD failure. I don't usually care about the content of console updates since I'm really more interested in playing games than using online features.
 
Sheesh @ the Negative Nancy's...

I'm going to remember loving DOA4 when I first got my original 360, I'm going to remember getting Zone of the Enders (for the MGS2 demo 😛) when I first picked up my PS2, etc. I'm not going to remember the minuscule amounts of time I couldn't play due to updates or dead system. Both things passed, and they will happen and pass again.
 
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