For those who say Apple is too expensive....

[gsaldivar]

Why post this in General Hardware if it's such a hot deal?

Post it over in Hot Deals, and we'll tell you where you can stick your retail pricing...


"...nor would I give up my Apple laptops..."
"...Obviously you've never used an Apple..."
"...I don't find my penis size to be inadequate..."
"...So what can you do besides play games that I can't..."
"...then you sir would be crap..."


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another mac-fanboy is born......

thanks for sharing your crusade with us wepopfresh.

you do Steve Jobs proud..

 

[Diable]

Why is wepopfresh a "Mac-fanboy" because he/she is pointing out that a iBook can do anything a Intel or AMD based PC can do?

 

[Mingon]

Did i mention i can use mine with target firewire to make it a bootable drive, and run an OS off of it?

Sorry no need for a bootable device


and it fits in my shirt pocket when i wear a shirt that has a pocket.

yep ditto

Isn't the archos only USB? Hmmmm....

usb is ok a bit slow but leave it to it come back later - or just remove the hard drive connect it to computer

How about a 32mb buffer for 20 minutes of skip protection.......

not needed unless your playing a playlist or an album - the archos has 2mb, personally 4mb is ideal

What makes me laugh is how innovative people think the ipod is, you want innovation have a look at


this

 

[Mingon]

<< Sony Vaio's laptops are extremely expensive for what you get. Not a good example. >>



well I paid less than you and upgraded it myself to 32gb (5400rpm hard drive) and 256mb of memory, and the total was still less than you paid.

 

[Lord Evermore]

<< I don't find my penis size to be inadequate and find that the antiguidated g3 500 will do as my portable for all the things i need to do >>



I never said anything like that it can't do what you want it to do. I just said that for the same cost I can get something that can do it BETTER. Do you always get the lowest possible performing equipment even if it costs the same as higher performing equipment, just because the lowest is all you need?

Obviously the Duron machine doesn't have firewire or a CDRW. The CDRW would be nice, but like you, that Duron machine would do everything I need it to without either of those. (Well, I don't have any need for a laptop at all.) I can't think of anything I'd need to connect to a laptop that would need firewire. I can't even think of much I'd want to connect via USB. For the price difference, I'd be happy with having a faster processor and larger screen than slower processor that can just do what I need it to RIGHT NOW and a smaller screen with a bunch of other features I don't need.

Frankly to me that laptop seems as much of a ripoff as any other Apple computers. You also seem to be thinking that just being cheap makes it a bargain. It's only that cheap because it's the absolute lowest-end hardware for Apple that you can get.

 

[wepopfresh]

<< What makes me laugh is how innovative people think the ipod is, you want innovation have a look at >>



Never said the iPod ws innovative, just a great multipurpose MP3 player that snugly sits in the palm of my hand, my pocket, or anywhere else.

I won't doubt that the one on that page can do about everything if you buy the adapter for it.....
and it works with Mac, too....

But i'll stay with my measly 5 gig model with it's non innovative dial and interface.

 

[Eug]

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<< Sony Vaio's laptops are extremely expensive for what you get. Not a good example. >>



well I paid less than you and upgraded it myself to 32gb (5400rpm hard drive) and 256mb of memory, and the total was still less than you paid. >>


Which one? I compare whole packages to whole packages usually by the way, except for memory.

If it ain't a sub 5 lb one then it's not a valid comparison.

 

[Eug]

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<< I don't find my penis size to be inadequate and find that the antiguidated g3 500 will do as my portable for all the things i need to do >>



I never said anything like that it can't do what you want it to do. I just said that for the same cost I can get something that can do it BETTER. Do you always get the lowest possible performing equipment even if it costs the same as higher performing equipment, just because the lowest is all you need?

Obviously the Duron machine doesn't have firewire or a CDRW. The CDRW would be nice, but like you, that Duron machine would do everything I need it to without either of those. (Well, I don't have any need for a laptop at all.) I can't think of anything I'd need to connect to a laptop that would need firewire. I can't even think of much I'd want to connect via USB. For the price difference, I'd be happy with having a faster processor and larger screen than slower processor that can just do what I need it to RIGHT NOW and a smaller screen with a bunch of other features I don't need.

Frankly to me that laptop seems as much of a ripoff as any other Apple computers. You also seem to be thinking that just being cheap makes it a bargain. It's only that cheap because it's the absolute lowest-end hardware for Apple that you can get. >>


Hmmm... Have you used one? The ergonomics is unparalleled.

1) Sub 5 lbs. HUGE plus in my (i)book.
2) Built-in wireless Ethernet antenna. Another huge plus if you have a wireless network, which I do.
3) Built-in modem (not uncommon)
4) Built-in Ethernet (not uncommon, but sometimes at the expense of the modem)
5) Built-in USBx2 (very common)
6) Built-in Firewire (rare), and it's powered (even rarer).
7) Built-in DVD (kinda irrelevant)
8) Built-in CD-RW (a big benefit)
9) Small footprint
10) OS X

OS X does very interesting things like autofallback of Ethernet connections. Ie. if my wireless network is unavailable, it falls back wired Ethernet, or vice versa. This is just one of many examples of the improved ergonomics.

Being a primarily Windows guy, I looked hard for ANY PC laptop that could match the specs, size, and ergonomics o the iBook in the same price range. Trust me, I couldn't find one. The only ones that came even close were WAY more expensive. If you haven't used an iBook with OS X, you don't know what you're missing. Now, if you're willing to get an 8 lb monster machine, you'll be able to get a much higher spec'd machine, but I tell you, the extra 3 lbs, and the extra size make it a no go for me. I sold my laptop PIII 600 with 15" TFT and DVD because it was too unwieldy to carry around, and some of my colleagues are kicking themselves for getting something so large. Even 14" is a pain.

In the laptop world, paper specs are only part of the equation. Size and ergonomics matters. It's different in the desktop world, because you have a lot of room in a full tower and under your desk, so it's not a big deal there.

 

[nortexoid]

yeah, the ibooks and powerbooks are pretty sweet, but not my bag...not portable enough - only some of the ultra slimline models appeal to me...or sub-notebooks.
but if you need desktop functionality....

I like them, but I'd personally not run osX on these rather slower G3 books, simply because it's so demanding...which is a shame, cuz osX is so damn sweet.

 

[Eug]

<< yeah, the ibooks and powerbooks are pretty sweet, but not my bag...not portable enough - only some of the ultra slimline models appeal to me...or sub-notebooks.
but if you need desktop functionality....

I like them, but I'd personally not run osX on these rather slower G3 books, simply because it's so demanding...which is a shame, cuz osX is so damn sweet. >>


Yeah, I agree, OS X on a G3 is no speed demon, but it's OK. The niceness of the OS makes up for it though. But you're right, the iBooks need a G4 in it. A G4 933 would be nice.

It's interesting how you mention you like the sub-notebooks. The iBook is small enough for me, but smaller is always good too, although small screen size does become problematic, and they don't include a CD-ROM either. However, given the choice, I agree - I'd take a sub-notebook with docking station over an 8 lb Dell any day.

 

[Mingon]

<< Which one? I compare whole packages to whole packages usually by the way, except for memory. >>



Sony vaio Sr1k I would guess its around 4-5lbs or less hard to tell. Uses a small (10.1) screen which is ideal for sitting on a sofa and web browsing.

 

[nortexoid]

eug, depends what u do i guess...i know a lot of people at my school who simply use a PDA and portable palm keyboard (those folding ones)....and then use it to merely word process in class...they have desktops at home.

you can't get any more portable than that, not to mention your battery life is eons better.

the sony picturebooks are pretty sweet subnotebooks, but again, depends on what u need it for.

they probably don't want to stick g4s in their ibooks to compete w/ their powerbook line...

 

[Eug]

<< Sony vaio Sr1k I would guess its around 4-5lbs or less hard to tell. Uses a small (10.1) screen which is ideal for sitting on a sofa and web browsing. >>


Yeah, it seems like a fine machine, but again it's not really a comparable unit. As you said the screen is very small. However, it's quite nice, and it's similar to one my colleague has. Very light. However, the CD-ROM and Ethernet (I think) costs extra. If I had one of those I'd probably get a slimline Firewire CD-RW for it instead though. The video chip kinda low end, but that's irrelevant on one of these machines.

Anyway, if you got it new with a 32 GB drive under US$1000 then you're doing really well. I never saw anything like that for that cheap. I would guess somewhere in the range of US$2000 new for current models, without all the extra gadgets.



<< eug, depends what u do i guess...i know a lot of people at my school who simply use a PDA and portable palm keyboard (those folding ones)....and then use it to merely word process in class...they have desktops at home. >>

I actually have a Visor Deluxe and external keyboard. Tiny! I used it for meetings and stuff. However, I'd still have to format the text in Word anyway, so lately I've just been bringing the iBook instead for meetings.