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For those Who Doubt Win2k is a Good Gaming Platform

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There's something wrong with your Q3A 9x numbers. Maybe it's WinMe, but I have a "slower" (Athlon@863) system than you do with a CLAP2 and I get around 140fps at the lower setting you use. Why are you using Winme anyway? I don't see any validity in benchmarks from an unreleased beta of an OS. I have no faith in 3DMark2000's results, but other people treat it as gospel. Post your results from that, the picture rapidly changes.
 
Damn. Might & Magic games are iffy according to the previous link...and my favourite (Might & Magic 6) won't work under W2K. 🙁
 
I dont' know.. those are my win me q3 scores. 5.30 drivers... And my Win me is a release version OEM copy. Also, i didn't disable sound in my tests. And might I add, that my lower settings is still at maximum quality, sans trilinear filtering.

640x480x32 texture's max, 32bit textures. Dynamic lighting, everything else is on.

But your scores at 1024x768 are the real question... Are they higher or lower than my win2k scores?

Also, my scores are UNTWEAKED scores. Its a completely fresh q3 install, patched and then the benchmarks were run. I had higher scores in both before, but I have not tweaked them since i installed ME.

Mike
 
My win2k scores are slower than win98se by a decent amount. I get 140 in 98se, I don't break 120 in win2k. I don't play Q3A at all, the only reason I have it is because I saw it at compusa in this cool metal box, otherwise I never would have bought it. I don't tweak it all, all settings are maxed. UT, though playable has definite preformance issues on my system in win2k. The frame counter is usually in the 60-90fps range, but it doesn't feel anywhere near that smooth, and when I enter larger rooms, the screen starts jerking enough for a blind man to see.

At least we know you are a software pirate now.
 
No, actually, I have some friends who work for MS. Is there a point to you slinging personal insults at me? I have not insulted you once.

I'm sorry your scores are that much lower in win2k. My scores are not. I have not insulted you, nor your scores. I am trying to provide evidence that win2k is a solid gaming os. Its fine if you disagree, but I will not tolerate an unprovoked personal attack.

Mike
 
I didn't insult you. I know a few people at MS, and employees cannot give out copies of WinME to the public. Nice try though.
 
Whatever you say, it is still an insult...

And i have an OEM copy, with an OEM cd on its way shortly. I dont' know who your friends at MS are, but i'm not gonna ask you for names. I would not bother with a warez copy of an OS.

Also, did you ever try enabling AGP texturing for UT... it helps smooth things out a lot.

Also, is PG19 a software pirate because has a final copy, as well?

Mike
 
Not only are they not currently giving out WinMe, but they never give out OEM CD's either. The software is all retail, and has this nice little Microsoft Company Store Purchase sticker on it with the employee's number on it. You must have some darn good contacts do be getting OEM copies of unreleased software.... Ignoring the fact you just admitted to pirating it. Yes, PG19 is as well. It's only an insult if it isn't true.
 
i know some one who works for a large oem. WinME is already there being preloaded on systems for the back to school rush. so yeah its easy to get a copy
 
Vinny_N: Just get mame and download the rom of SSF2:T, or buy the PSX version. Why you'd want to play it is beyond me though, everyone knows that the SF series went downhill after Hyper Fighting.
 
hey mike how about performance with fsaa enabled? Currently I don't use it, but if/as it gets better it would be good to see how win2k will handle it.
 
i'll try it later tonight, as well as 3dmark 2000. I'll give half-life a go(d/l patch now) and i'll get either the evolva or mdk2 demos to try out T&L in win2k.

I'll throw on some FSAA 640x480 numbers later on, too.

Mike
edit

I ran the standard 3dmark2000 v1.1 tests

WinME: 6857 3dmarks
Win2k: 5019 3dMarks.

I was actually expecting win2k to perform even lower(due to lack of agp-texturing in the win2k drivers). OTher than that, i'm not gonna post the details, but if you guys want to see them, e-mail me and i'll send htem away to you guys.


Mike
 


*Diablo 2 has real problems with Win2k according a number of forum posts(but it isnt that hot under W98)
*People said that Rogue Spear had 'Sticky key' problems

I would like to game on Win 2k so i find this topic very interesting
 
there's a fix for the sticky key problem... i don't remember what it was, but ntcompatible bbs had a bunch of people talking about it and htey figured out a solution.

I personally never had a problem with either Rogue Spear or Urban Ops.



Mike
 
Pariah, I have a copy of ME Final (it sucks, just like 98 and 98SE do) and I sure as hell didn't pay for it. And no, I'm not a pirate... I'm a "personal SW tester" 😀. I try SW, and if I like it I buy it (and if I don't like it it gets buried in the closet with the rest of the trash SW I have). My point is, I don't care what you think of me and I sure as hell don't care what you think about Mikewarrior2 (neither do the rest of us). He's been here quite a while and I like him, your snipes at him aren't gonna change that. Pack your bags and go cry "narc" somewhere else. 😛
 
Another quick update, some FSAA numbers for Q3. I used the HardOCP FSAA quality reg entries.

640x480x32, bilinear filtering, FSAA Low, 32bit Textures, max Geometry

WinME: 94.8
Win2k: 93.4

1024x768x32, bilinear, FSAA Low, 32bit textures, etc.

WinME: 34.2
Win2k: 34.2

640x480x32, same as above except for FSAA High

WinME: 60.6
Win2k: 60.2

1024x768x32 same as above with FSAA High

WinME: 20.3
Win2k: 20.4


Half-Life, MDK2 will be the next forthcoming tests... any other requests for benchmarks?


Mike
 
The Pariah entity is just a bleedin' troll. He won't last long with this handle. Roger, where are you when we need ya?🙂

BTW, my cousin is an M$ft employee, has a legal copy waiting for me, which I believe he actually had to pay something for (it wasn't quite gratis for him).
--Randy
 
It's quite disturbing how socially acceptable software piracy has become among people who would never think about walking into a store and stealing a video card. I don't care what you think about me, it's quite obvious mr warrior didn't legally acquire his copy, admitting it after changing his story a few times. And no, I'm not a troll, you will not see me posting any 1 M l33+ and Intel is my God posts or junk like that.
 
MSDN is not pirating, and they include WinME..and if you ask how I have seen it, I used to work for a software developer, and we got all of the win2k beta's in our monthly refresh, I have MSDN Academic version now as a Computer Science student at a local university so it is legal and it has a WinME beta...I have not tried it yet, but guess what, if I did it would be LEGAL you need to quit making blind accusations Pariah...that is 2 piracy accusations you have made, the first one against Sephiroth_IX...you should watch yourself...beta testers also have a website to get it from....a site set up by MS for its beta testers.

There is a saying about assuming...it goes "When you assume, you make an ass out of you and me" That point has been very well illustrated here...now...where is that ignore button...
 
While I do agree with the piracy issue, there's no proof people who have WinME have it illegally, in fact, the reasons already stated, MSDN, is not at all uncommon for any developer to have legitimate access to.

Further, keep it on topic, performance of games in Win2K! 🙂

 
Here are some UT FSAA scores.... 2x D3d Fsaa, 5.30 Drivers.


800x600x32, Detail Textures off, AGP texturing on

WinME: 46 FPS AVG
WIn2k: 49 FPS AVG.

I'll do some 640x480 scores in a little bit.



Mike
 
Win 2000 is a lot faster, no one can doubt that.
But how's the software compatibility and drivers for hardware wiht it?
 
I don't know if win2k is a lot faster.. there are times its faster, there are times that it is slower, but the main key si that it is a capable gaming OS.

As far as application compatibility, I haven't had any problems. I know DOS programs do have problems(because of a lack of true DOS in 2k). Hardware compatibility is starting to get where it should be.

For example, this the hardware I have or have had and that works in win2k.

3com HomeConnect DigiCAM
Sony DSC-S50
Gravis Xterminator USB(and gameport)
Deskjet 880c, Laserjet 1100, Deskjet 712C
Intellimouse Explorer
SB Live(has always worked, but LW3 and drivers are finally out)
SMC/Netgear/Linksys/3com Nics(various speeds)
Geforce2 GTS(CL), TNT2 Ultra's(Diamond, CL, Herc), V3-3500TV.
Adaptec 2930s, 2906 Scsi cards
USB Zip drives
Both BX and VIA133A mbs
Rio 300s and 500s

That's all I can think of off the bat. Sometimes a workaround is needed, but http://www.ntcompatible.com is the best win2k/compatibility site bar none.



Mike
 
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