For those that refuse to believe in UFO's

[meltdown75]

marked for later "in-orbit" reading / watching

 

[KingTech]

Even I know many people who don't believe in "landing on Moon" in past. I think this is just an illusion and nothing else.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: astroidea
I think what makes UFOs incredulous as a whole is due to the fact that we've never had any personal encounters with extraterrestrials. It's always some eyewitness testimony of seeing some creepy looking, or unusual looking light moving around in the sky. That proves very little. And the fact that there's so many of these eyewitness testimonies without any single encounters, makes the credibility even worse.

If you really think about the story as a whole, it's almost beyond incredulous. Some aliens fly several hundred light years to our planet... and isn't even interested in staying more than a few minutes, nor are they interested in making an encounter, and then whisps away with little more than a few testimonies or a few blurry videos at best.

What makes it even more "incredulous" (I LOVE that word! I'm going to use it all day today now!) is reports of alien sightings always has the alien looking
"humanoid". The chances of an alien race looking anything like humans is astronomically small. Cross-breeding claims would be like a human trying to mate with a plant, so that blows that out of the water too (for proof of this, look at the chimpanzee. We're around 98% genetically identical to a chimp, yet we can't have offspring with one). Too many things don't add up.

Also, don't be too eager for aliens to exist---history has shown that anytime a civilization with superior technology comes into contact with a civilization of more primitive technology, the dummies get the shaft.

 

[MattCo]

Originally posted by: RossGr
Time travelers are more likly then ET. The energy requirement is essentially the same but a time traveler would not have to find this fleck of dust on the galactic beach we call earth, they would already be here.

You do realize that "here" is a unbelievably fast moving target? If you jumped back 1 day in time, you would be somewhere out in the middle of space waiting for the Earth to slam into you.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Some people are so gullible. Fools.

To think those vids are real... sure. To think that life only exists here? Not so sure about that one.

you say the NASA videos and audios are fake?

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Some people are so gullible. Fools.

To think those vids are real... sure. To think that life only exists here? Not so sure about that one.

you say the NASA videos and audios are fake?

Are you saying that they prove anything? People said they saw some things that they couldn't identify, period. How do you make the leap from "what was that?" to "it's visitors from another planet"?

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Some people are so gullible. Fools.

To think those vids are real... sure. To think that life only exists here? Not so sure about that one.

you say the NASA videos and audios are fake?

Are you saying that they prove anything? People said they saw some things that they couldn't identify, period. How do you make the leap from "what was that?" to "it's visitors from another planet"?

no if you watched the youtube videos there are several audio recording where ASTRONAUTS said "the alien spacecraft is following us" or "i am watching a UFO" they just didnt see "some things" they clearly identified what they saw as alien spacecraft.

 

[luv2liv]

believing in aliens is blashphemy!!! you dont want to go to hell do you?
god made us. we are special! we're number one! Bush would agree with me

</sarcasm>

 

[RapidSnail]

Originally posted by: luv2liv
believing in aliens is blashphemy!!! you dont want to go to hell do you?
god made us. we are special! we're number one! Bush would agree with me

</sarcasm>

Is this the best you can do....

 

[alkemyst]

UFO's are the biggest coverup in history, if aliens didn't excess why would the government have Resident Alien cards?

<tinfoil beanie>Open your eyes people the truth is out there!</tinfoil beanie>

 

[Ruptga]

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[So]

Originally posted by: RossGr
Time travelers are more likly then ET. The energy requirement is essentially the same but a time traveler would not have to find this fleck of dust on the galactic beach we call earth, they would already be here.

Except sublight interstellar travel is demonstrably possible. Granted, it'd be hard. And there's no way someone who was traveling slower than light would not make themselves known (unless they were preparing for an invasion, but over 50 years of space travel, we'd likely have found a ship as large as manhattan)

 

[Wheezer]

Is alien life out there?? Sure, it is probable.

Does that mean that it is "more intelligent" than we are? Not necessarily so.

So then what if we are it?

I mean all accurate physical evidence that can be measured points to other life forms outside this planet only being bacteria.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Also, don't be too eager for aliens to exist---history has shown that anytime a civilization with superior technology comes into contact with a civilization of more primitive technology, the dummies get the shaft.

QF-MF-T

http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3aa.html

scroll down to the section starting with "The Killing Star" on that page and read to the end.

I will however emphasize:

When we put our heads together and tried to list everything we could say with certainty about other civilizations, without having actually met them, all that we knew boiled down to three simple laws of alien behavior:

1. THEIR SURVIVAL WILL BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN OUR SURVIVAL.
If an alien species has to choose between them and us, they won't choose us. It is difficult to imagine a contrary case; species don't survive by being self-sacrificing.

2. WIMPS DON'T BECOME TOP DOGS.
No species makes it to the top by being passive. The species in charge of any given planet will be highly intelligent, alert, aggressive, and ruthless when necessary.

3. THEY WILL ASSUME THAT THE FIRST TWO LAWS APPLY TO US.

...

But then these optimists make the jump: If we are wise enough to survive and not wipe ourselves out, we will be peaceful -- so peaceful that we will not wipe anybody else out, and as we are below on Earth, so other people will be above.

This is a non sequitur, because there is no guarantee that one follows the other, and for a very important reason: "They" are not part of our species.

Before we proceed any further, try the following thought experiment: watch the films Platoon and Aliens together and ask yourself if the plot lines don't quickly blur and become indistinguishable. You'll recall that in Vietnam, American troops were taught to regard the enemy as "Charlie" or "*****," dehumanizing words that made "them" easier to kill. In like manner, the British, Spanish, and French conquests of the discovery period were made easier by declaring dark- or red- or yellow-skinned people as something less than human, as a godless, faceless "them," as literally another species.

It's an entirely new situation, emerging from the physical possibilities that will face any species that can overcome the natural interstellar quarantine of its solar system. The choices seem unforgiving, and the mind struggles to imagine circumstances under which an interstellar species might make contact without triggering the realization that it can't afford to be proven wrong in its fears.

Got that? We can't afford to wait to be proven wrong.

They won't come to get our resources or our knowledge or our women or even because they're just mean and want power over us. They'll come to destroy us to insure their survival, even if we're no apparent threat, because species death is just too much to risk, however remote the risk...

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Some people are so gullible. Fools.

To think those vids are real... sure. To think that life only exists here? Not so sure about that one.

you say the NASA videos and audios are fake?

Are you saying that they prove anything? People said they saw some things that they couldn't identify, period. How do you make the leap from "what was that?" to "it's visitors from another planet"?

no if you watched the youtube videos there are several audio recording where ASTRONAUTS said "the alien spacecraft is following us" or "i am watching a UFO" they just didnt see "some things" they clearly identified what they saw as alien spacecraft.

cocaine is a hell of a drug?

 

[alchemize]

Cliffs for those of us blocked from Youtube?

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Cliffs for those of us blocked from Youtube?

there's some 3d animation, some chopped up voice recordings, a japanese pilot saw an object<insertnarration> object gone <more ominous narration>

 

[AnonymouseUser]

This show did nothing to help me believe in the existence of **Aliens flying their spacecraft in our atmosphere taunting our pilots.




**Aliens - FROM OUTER SPACE

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
I see a lot of bashing around here when someone brings up the subject of aliens. Well take a look at this video. This is probably the best evidence you are going to get.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVWKRUCM9s8

If you don't feel like watching all 5, at least watch the 5th part.

I watched 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind' once.

BTW-I think it is highly improbable that the inhabitants of this planet are the only intelligent life forms in the universe.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
I see a lot of bashing around here when someone brings up the subject of aliens. Well take a look at this video. This is probably the best evidence you are going to get.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVWKRUCM9s8

If you don't feel like watching all 5, at least watch the 5th part.

I watched 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind' once.

BTW-I think it is highly improbable that the inhabitants of this planet are the only intelligent life forms in the universe.

I have the soundtrack on vinyl!

 

[zinfamous]

I'll believe in USO's first. It seems far more plausible, in my mind, to imagine that the deep unexplored ocean trenches have been harboring an extra-terrestrial civilization, and this civilization's mucky-muck is a more likely explanation for the origin of life on our planet than is some benevolent sky fairy.

I saw it all on "The Abyss."

 

[Ruptga]

Originally posted by: zinfamous
I'll believe in USO's first. It seems far more plausible, in my mind, to imagine that the deep unexplored ocean trenches have been harboring an extra-terrestrial civilization, and this civilization's mucky-muck is a more likely explanation for the origin of life on our planet than is some benevolent sky fairy.

I saw it all on "The Abyss."

But where did their civilization come from in the first place

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Some people are so gullible. Fools.

To think those vids are real... sure. To think that life only exists here? Not so sure about that one.

you say the NASA videos and audios are fake?

Are you saying that they prove anything? People said they saw some things that they couldn't identify, period. How do you make the leap from "what was that?" to "it's visitors from another planet"?

Well there is the one audio clip where the astronaut clearly says he's still watching the alien space ship.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: RossGr
Time travelers are more likly then ET. The energy requirement is essentially the same but a time traveler would not have to find this fleck of dust on the galactic beach we call earth, they would already be here.

No they wouldn't already be ehre. The earth moves very fast through space. I don't know how long it takes us to go around our galaxy, but if you come from the future you're going to end up very far from where earth is right now.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: RossGr
Time travelers are more likly then ET. The energy requirement is essentially the same but a time traveler would not have to find this fleck of dust on the galactic beach we call earth, they would already be here.

No they wouldn't already be ehre. The earth moves very fast through space. I don't know how long it takes us to go around our galaxy, but if you come from the future you're going to end up very far from where earth is right now.

Indeed. They would have had to of mastered both time travel AND space travel. However, on a similar note, those two things are intimately intertwined. I think that based on the discoveries we've made into both fields, it's quite possible that you must master one to master the other, and vice-versa.

So, based on that (if it's true), the chances of these UFOs being ETs from our time or distant relatives from the future are both equal.

I firmly think that the probability that we're alone in the closest 1,000 to 100,000 light years to our star is approaching zero, much less the entire galaxy or universe. Whether or not these strange objects are of different origin than our own government(s) is a very debatable issue, though.

There is one thing I am 100% sure of. That is that our governments know a lot more than they're telling us. A LOT more.