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For those that despise SUV's, might I ask what you drive?

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I drive a 1990 Chevy Blazer Tahoe, I don't have an 'i'm better than you attitude' and I drive it somewhat 'off road.' My favorite thing to do is to jump it 😉 It's my first car, so... I like to mess around in it. I also put ALOT of crap in the car, stuff I wouldn't want exposed. The thing also gets decent milage, like 18city and about 20-22 hw.
 
I have a honda civic and a chevy cavalier (the little sedan, not the sports models). I don't bash SUV's per se, I bash people who think socially instead of rationally. Those that drive SUV's to be 'in' instead of those that need them. I bash people that think with their mirrors, instead of their minds. Other than that, my complaints are all about forward thinking and improvements, not bashing an inanimate object that serves a certain purpose for the time being.
 
I'm an SUV lover. Always have been and always will be.

Poor gas mileage, blah blah blah. Vans and Trucks don't get much better.... let me see a 4 cylinder Nissan Frontier only gets about 25 mpg max, v6 Dodge Grand Caravan gets about 20mpg. Hmmm, where are all the Van and Truck haters? It's not like you're paying for the gas being used. Oh wait, I forgot about those 8 cylinder Sports or Luxury cars. Hmm, those Jags and BMW's don't seem to be getting much better mileage either. Want to talk about impracitical? I see no need for sports car thats not going to be used for legal racing. Waste of gas isn't it? Oh wait, that accelration is really all the necessary in city life... you know, gotta be able to run those reds and cut off drivers right?

Or did you suddenly become an enviromentalist? I would then suggest you to stop driving any car, and use a bicycle or how about the new Segway? How about eveyrone in the world just get a Geo Metro? That would be very fuel efficient now.

Please give me a break. People don't NEED an SUV all the time, nor do you NEED your v6 Camry, 8 cylinder Jag, or your F150. They paid for it, with luxury tax, gas guzzler tax, maintenance, and gas.

Unless you drive a Geo Metro, please....

 


<< I'm an SUV lover. Always have been and always will be.

Poor gas mileage, blah blah blah. Vans and Trucks don't get much better.... let me see a 4 cylinder Nissan Frontier only gets about 25 mpg max, v6 Dodge Grand Caravan gets about 20mpg. Hmmm, where are all the Van and Truck haters? It's not like you're paying for the gas being used. Oh wait, I forgot about those 8 cylinder Sports or Luxury cars. Hmm, those Jags and BMW's don't seem to be getting much better mileage either. Want to talk about impracitical? I see no need for sports car thats not going to be used for legal racing. Waste of gas isn't it? Oh wait, that accelration is really all the necessary in city life... you know, gotta be able to run those reds and cut off drivers right?

Or did you suddenly become an enviromentalist? I would then suggest you to stop driving any car, and use a bicycle or how about the new Segway? How about eveyrone in the world just get a Geo Metro? That would be very fuel efficient now.

Please give me a break. People don't NEED an SUV all the time, nor do you NEED your v6 Camry, 8 cylinder Jag, or your F150. They paid for it, with luxury tax, gas guzzler tax, maintenance, and gas.

Unless you drive a Geo Metro, please.... >>


Couldn't have said it better myself
 


<< I'm just curious, why do you care what the mother in the parent pick up line drives? What difference does it make whether you THINK she is going to go off road or not? What if she picks up her child, drops her off at grandmas house, then goes 4 wheelin? Do you stereotype everything else you see? >>



LOL! Actually, they go to their tennis lessons and then to the spa for french pedicures!

Actually, I'm not stereotyping anyone.

I'm refering to real women who I have to suffer PTA meetings with, classroom birthday parties, neighborhood association assemblies, etc with.

I don't care what that particular group drives as much as I am annoyed by the attitudes of a handful of women in my community... and again, it's no generalization. These are real people who I am talking about and I know quite a bit more about their lives than just what they drive.

These women could have chosen top of the line luxury sedans or wagons but they have a sort of 'might makes right' attitude that I find annoying.

Just like they have a right to drive vehicles that make them feel more powerful, I have the right to find them personally annoying.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: If you have legitimate need of an SUV, than more power to you! But if it is just a way to feel more superior, please leave me out of your Logenberger Basket Parties.

😛
 


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<< I'm just curious, why do you care what the mother in the parent pick up line drives? What difference does it make whether you THINK she is going to go off road or not? What if she picks up her child, drops her off at grandmas house, then goes 4 wheelin? Do you stereotype everything else you see? >>



LOL! Actually, they go to their tennis lessons and then to the spa for french pedicures!

Actually, I'm not stereotyping anyone.

I'm refering to real women who I have to suffer PTA meetings with, classroom birthday parties, neighborhood association assemblies, etc with.

I don't care what that particular group drives as much as I am annoyed by the attitudes of a handful of women in my community... and again, it's no generalization. These are real people who I am talking about and I know quite a bit more about their lives than just what they drive.

These women could have chosen top of the line luxury sedans or wagons but they have a sort of 'might makes right' attitude that I find annoying.

Just like they have a right to drive vehicles that make them feel more powerful, I have the right to find them personally annoying.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: If you have legitimate need of an SUV, than more power to you! But if it is just a way to feel more superior, please leave me out of your Logenberger Basket Parties.

😛 >>




Hey Isla, why do I get the feeling that you fit in with the "ladies who lunch" crowd at PTO about as well as I do ? LOL,it kills me to watch them squirm trying to be be nice to me, because I upkeep the PTO's computer and backup all their records 😀
 
Lets run through this again, this time in caps for you to see clearly.
PEOPLE WHO BUY VANS AND TRUCKS BUY IT FOR PRACTICAL REASONS (which includes towing, hauling passengers and cargo, etc. but does NOT include "needing to look cool and be accepted because everyone on my block has one".).
That's not to say that SUV owners don't haul stuff with their SUV's, but I'm willing to bet that most did not buy it for that reason.
People don't buy minivans because it's the "IN" thing. They don't buy pickup trucks because they have extra cash lying around.
They NEED them for a purpose which justifies their purchase.
I do understand that people can buy whatever they want (and I totally agree), but we're in a debate right now so that's my rebuttal.
And fuel economy is not the only argument that people have against SUV's.
My number one gripe is that they're unsafe to themselves and other vehicles on the road (impeding my vision, rolling over, safety, etc. to name a few others have mentioned).
And to argue against sports and luxury cars, I see plenty more SUV's on the road than i do sports/luxury.
and at least they don't block my vision.

btw, i drive a sentra which gets me 33 mpg 😛



<< << I'm an SUV lover. Always have been and always will be.

Poor gas mileage, blah blah blah. Vans and Trucks don't get much better.... let me see a 4 cylinder Nissan Frontier only gets about 25 mpg max, v6 Dodge Grand Caravan gets about 20mpg. Hmmm, where are all the Van and Truck haters? It's not like you're paying for the gas being used. Oh wait, I forgot about those 8 cylinder Sports or Luxury cars. Hmm, those Jags and BMW's don't seem to be getting much better mileage either. Want to talk about impracitical? I see no need for sports car thats not going to be used for legal racing. Waste of gas isn't it? Oh wait, that accelration is really all the necessary in city life... you know, gotta be able to run those reds and cut off drivers right?

Or did you suddenly become an enviromentalist? I would then suggest you to stop driving any car, and use a bicycle or how about the new Segway? How about eveyrone in the world just get a Geo Metro? That would be very fuel efficient now.

Please give me a break. People don't NEED an SUV all the time, nor do you NEED your v6 Camry, 8 cylinder Jag, or your F150. They paid for it, with luxury tax, gas guzzler tax, maintenance, and gas.

Unless you drive a Geo Metro, please.... >>


Couldn't have said it better myself >>

 


<< Please give me a break. People don't NEED an SUV all the time, nor do you NEED your v6 Camry, 8 cylinder Jag, or your F150. They paid for it, with luxury tax, gas guzzler tax, maintenance, and gas. >>

Haha, you're right. Maybe we should bring up what morons they are for buying overpriced SUV junk, eh? SUV's avoid the gas guzzler tax, so your point is gone right there.

"U.S. auto manufacturers gain the nose from the gas-guzzler tax exemption since large, inefficient vehicles are a specialty of American producers. In 1999, Ford Motor Company was the largest beneficiary, avoiding over $ 3.3 billion in taxes. General Motors also reaped huge rewards, skirting $3.3 billion in taxes on their SUVs and light trucks. Daimler--Chrysler benefited least among the Big Three, but still eluded a $ 2.8 billion tax bill.7-he tax exemption was worth about $800 million for ail the foreign automakers combined.

Among light trucks, Suv's would have incurred the greatest tax liability. If the federal gas puzzler tax applied to the over 3 million SUV's sold in U.S.. in 1999, the government would have collected about $5.6 billion. While the sale Of pickups was high in 1999, the potential gas-guzzler revenues from these vehicles would have been markedly lower than SUVs - $3.9 billion .This is because pickups tend to have better fuel economy than SUVs. Vans and minivans would have incurred a gas-guzzler tax liability of only $811 million,

While SUVs are the biggest and most polluting of the light trucks, automakers have benefited the most from the tax exemption on pickup trucks over the years. Until recent]recently, the average gas-guzzler tax on pickup trucks would have been much higher than the average tax on SUV's. In fact, the average gas-guzzler tax on eligible pickup trucks was close to twice as much as the average for SUVs in 1996. Recently, pickups have apparently been gutting more fuel-efficient, while many SUVs are getting less fuel efficient. Vans and minivans have been getting steadily more fuel efficient since the mid-1990s."

Oh wait, and SUVs also have one of the largest profit margins,

"As SUVs and other light truck sales have grown in recent years, automakers have reaped huge profits. SUVs, minivans, and high-end pickups are being marketed to the broader consumer market as everyday passenger vehicles. vehicles once predominately used to haul tools and lumber are now more often used to haul kids and laptop computers. Auto industry analysts estimate that the profit margins on SUVs can range From $10,000 to $17,000 per vehicle. For example, Ford makes about $15,000 on each Excursion, the company's largest and least efficient SUV. Much of this profit can be attributed to the light truck exemption from the gas-guzzler tax. If Ford had to pay the appropriate tax on the Excursion, its profit margin would have been cut in half. If the gas-guzzler tax applied to other light-duty trucks, in 1999 automakers would have paid over $10 billion."

I'd also hate to see the cost to fix your bumper in the event of a 5mph crash since last I checked, SUVs didn't have to conform to the same high standards for low speed crashes...
 


<< Hey Isla, why do I get the feeling that you fit in with the "ladies who lunch" crowd at PTO about as well as I do ? LOL,it kills me to watch them squirm trying to be be nice to me, because I upkeep the PTO's computer and backup all their records >>



LOL Baff, you are one astute lady!

😀
 


<< I own a Chevy Avalanche. Maybe after you grow up, little boy, you might be able to buy a nice truck >>


LOL, that was definitely the funniest thing I've read in this thread! Avalanche...nice...ROFL!!! 😀

I generally get annoyed with your typical soccer-mom or big shot businessman SUV drivers, but on the whole I don't hate SUV's or their drivers. Personally, I have no use for a vehicle larger than my current car. Of course, all of my friends drive SUV's, and never ever ever ever actually use them. Off the top of my head, they have an explorer, an xterra, a cherokee, a grand cherokee, a suburban, an RXwhatever (lexus), 4 people with 4 runners, an X5, 2 isuzu rodeos, and one guy with a wrangler (which is the only SUV I MIGHT own).

Oh, and I drive a CL Type S. I drive a Suburban and F250 at work (and actually use them).
 
i dont despise SUV's, i despise people that drive them with no need to, considering the gas they use.

what do i drive? a 79 buick, V8, gas hog.

but see, i make jack for money. i bought this car cus it was the best car i could find for 900 bucks that doesnt fall apart. (to give you an idea of my finances, i'm applying at hardees on monday. i am 18, not in college, but plan on it sometime soon.) criticize me, i really dont care...but if i had tens of thousands of dollars to spend on a vehicle, i would absolutely not be getting an SUV. i'd get a used ford focus or a honda civic or something and spend the rest on computer stuff and a nice system for the car 😀

i dont care about cars, they get me where i'm going, and anyone that spends 30,000 dollars on a car better be rich or stupid (i'm guessing the latter)
 
a 2000 VW Passat, which doesn't need 5000 pounds of mass surrounding me, or 50 inches of ride height, to be an incredibly safe car. I'm willing to bet that 95% of the people who own SUV's could do just as well with one of the many awesome station wagons that auto manufacturers have been producing lately. VW, Audi, BMW, Volvo, Subaru, and others all have some kick-ass, non-Griswald station wagons that can haul almost everything you'd ever need to haul. Sure, I don't think that I can force SUV drivers to buy a certain product. But I reserve my right to think of them as unintelligent people who exhibit poor judgement.
 
I currently drive a Nissan Altima and am the former owner of an Explorer. I commute to work by bicycle most days (tho not today as it was like 20 degrees this morning😉)

I don't think I'd classify myself as an SUV hater...they are indeed very handy (especially if you own a home like I do and seem to spend most weekends carting stuff home from Home Depot), but there are a few reasons why I won't buy one. I guess the main ones are gas mileage and emissions. We as a nation obviously have an overly large dependence on oil that makes for some strange bedfellows on a world-wide scale. It would be nice if half the middle east didn't literally have us over a barrel, IMO. I would at least like to see car-like emissions coming from SUV's if nothing else (certainly much easier and cheaper to accomplish than increased fuel economy). Atlanta has a growing smog problem that really wasn't around 10 years ago when I moved here, and the army of SUVs on our roads are certainly partially to blame (althought to be fair, overall car volume has increased tremendously as well).

As for the SUV driver attitude thing.....I'd have to say that I'm inclined to agree with this based on personal experience. But the relevant point is that a driving mistake made in a huge SUV is going to be of a much greater magnitude than one made in, say, my Altima (statistically speaking, that is). SUV's are heavier and hit higher than a sedan...both of which are bad new for whoever is on the recieving end.


Fausto
 
I for one am sick of hearing everybody's excuse for hating SUV's and SUV drivers. A bad driver is a bad driver, whether that person drives a minivan, pickup, subcompact, or a shool bus. I drive an SUV and I find myself CONSTANTLY having to avoid being hit by Civics, Grand Marquis, F-150's, you name it, and do you know why, because the drivers are bad drivers, PERIOD. There was a person who stated that his neighbor was rear-ended by an SUV driver who was beating her kids, would it have made any difference if she was driving a Caprice station wagon, or a Chevy C-1500? Nope, it's an unfortunate tragedy that shouldn't have happened but blaming the SUV isn't the answer.

And to the people coming up with all of the reasons why owning an SUV is a waste, TOUGH SH!T, it's MY MONEY, I paid for it, not you. Last time I checked we were still "the land of the free". Unless you always drive your 4 seat car with 4 people in it, or your 8 seat minivan with 8 people in it, you are no better than the people who use their SUV to go to the grocery store. Sure I don't get the same mileage as a Corolla, but I pay additional gas tax to make up for it, so "zip it" because I'm keeping the oil company share holders happy and I'm contributing more to more to the local school system than you are. My SUV was the only vehicle which filled all of our requirements: 4 wheel drive, towing capacity, interior volume, good acceleration (read v8), and ultimately crash protection (yeah, I know someone will post a link to the blah blah blah consumer crash site, go for it, my family will still fare better in a Neon vs SUV crash).

My Explorer doesn't handle as well as a smaller car, I know that and I don't drive it that way. But I tell you what, I drive my "ill-handling" SUV better than half the other brain dead box jockies out there who are driving their "reasonable" cars and minivans. Meaning, I use turn signals, I maintain a constant speed (fast), I don't tailgate, and I PAY ATTENTION while driving.

The one thing that made me a better automobile driver .... I drive a motorcycle. Everybody, and I mean EVERYBODY, cuts motorcycles off. And then they act like they didn't see you, duh, maybe if they looked first or extracted the cell phone from their ear first.

PS My other car is an Audi 100S.
 


<< I think this is a fair question:

For those that seem to take pride at picking on SUV's, what exactly do you drive?? >>



A 1993 Subaru impreza L AWD. Aside from AWD, it's about as far from an SUV as you can get.
 


<< I for one am sick of hearing everybody's excuse for hating SUV's and SUV drivers. A bad driver is a bad driver, whether that person drives a minivan, pickup, subcompact, or a shool bus. I drive an SUV and I find myself CONSTANTLY having to avoid being hit by Civics, Grand Marquis, F-150's, you name it, and do you know why, because the drivers are bad drivers, PERIOD. There was a person who stated that his neighbor was rear-ended by an SUV driver who was beating her kids, would it have made any difference if she was driving a Caprice station wagon, or a Chevy C-1500? Nope, it's an unfortunate tragedy that shouldn't have happened but blaming the SUV isn't the answer.

And to the people coming up with all of the reasons why owning an SUV is a waste, TOUGH SH!T, it's MY MONEY, I paid for it, not you. Last time I checked we were still "the land of the free". Unless you always drive your 4 seat car with 4 people in it, or your 8 seat minivan with 8 people in it, you are no better than the people who use their SUV to go to the grocery store. Sure I don't get the same mileage as a Corolla, but I pay additional gas tax to make up for it, so "zip it" because I'm keeping the oil company share holders happy and I'm contributing more to more to the local school system than you are. My SUV was the only vehicle which filled all of our requirements: 4 wheel drive, towing capacity, interior volume, good acceleration (read v8), and ultimately crash protection (yeah, I know someone will post a link to the blah blah blah consumer crash site, go for it, my family will still fare better in a Neon vs SUV crash).

My Explorer doesn't handle as well as a smaller car, I know that and I don't drive it that way. But I tell you what, I drive my "ill-handling" SUV better than half the other brain dead box jockies out there who are driving their "reasonable" cars and minivans. Meaning, I use turn signals, I maintain a constant speed (fast), I don't tailgate, and I PAY ATTENTION while driving.

The one thing that made me a better automobile driver .... I drive a motorcycle. Everybody, and I mean EVERYBODY, cuts motorcycles off. And then they act like they didn't see you, duh, maybe if they looked first or extracted the cell phone from their ear first.

PS My other car is an Audi 100S. >>


THANK YOU. Another sound mind in this discussion. It seems that people hate SUV's for all the wrong reason. When's the last time that you saw a Civic with 5 people in it, an Accord with 5 people in it, a minivan filled to capacity, or a pickup truck with three people sitting on the bench seat?? How dare you dis SUV drivers when I rarely see cars filled to capacity.

No one rags on big BMW's and big Mercedes' for poor gas mileage. Ohh, and let's not dis pickups for their bad gas mileage and bulk. Those big ass long-wheelbase pickups weight just as much as the largest SUV's.
 
I drive an SUV. I don't take it off-road at all, but I live in Buffalo, and several times in the winter I'm glad I have it. It sucks to get stranded.
 


<< The one thing that made me a better automobile driver .... I drive a motorcycle. Everybody, and I mean EVERYBODY, cuts motorcycles off. And then they act like they didn't see you, duh, maybe if they looked first or extracted the cell phone from their ear first. >>



Yup, nothing makes you a better defensive driver than being on an "invisible" motorcycle in traffic on a a daily basis. Nothing like the threat of violent death on someone's grill to keep you alert and aware of what is happening around you.😉



<< No one rags on big BMW's and big Mercedes' for poor gas mileage. Ohh, and let's not dis pickups for their bad gas mileage and bulk. Those big ass long-wheelbase pickups weight just as much as the largest SUV's. >>



SUV's get singled out as there are so many of them on the road and they are viewed as "conspicuous consumer" mileage-wise. I would be very happy if some effort were made to improve mileage and emmisions on all cars for reasons I've stated above. Unfortunately, the prevailing attitude of SUV/truck/etc drivers are similar to those of PullMyFinger: "I can afford it, so tough titty if you don't like it". It's great that you can afford the gas, and that you are a good driver, but what about the broader implications of so many here in the US driving cars that get less than 20mpg? Again, wouldn't it be great if we weren't so utterly at the mercy of oil-producing nations? Not driving such inefficient cars would be a great way to start. Again, my personal reasons for not driving an SUV.

Fausto
 


<<

<< I own a Chevy Avalanche. Maybe after you grow up, little boy, you might be able to buy a nice truck >>


LOL, that was definitely the funniest thing I've read in this thread! Avalanche...nice...ROFL!!! 😀

I generally get annoyed with your typical soccer-mom or big shot businessman SUV drivers, but on the whole I don't hate SUV's or their drivers. Personally, I have no use for a vehicle larger than my current car. Of course, all of my friends drive SUV's, and never ever ever ever actually use them. Off the top of my head, they have an explorer, an xterra, a cherokee, a grand cherokee, a suburban, an RXwhatever (lexus), 4 people with 4 runners, an X5, 2 isuzu rodeos, and one guy with a wrangler (which is the only SUV I MIGHT own).

Oh, and I drive a CL Type S. I drive a Suburban and F250 at work (and actually use them). >>



So lets see. You paid almost $30,000 and you have a "sports car" that seats 4 comfortably. You can haul a couple of suitcases in the trunk. It rides very nice, and has good acceleration. You only get approx. 17-18 miles to the gallon.

Wow. Smart choice.

I, on the other hand, paid $30,000 for a truck that seats 6, can fit a small car in the rear if I wanted to, gets 17 miles to the gallon, can go offroad if I want to, and gives me peace of mind that my son and wife will be driving safely and comfortably wherever they go.

Hmmm... I guess different strokes for different folks. In my opinion, my truck seems to be a better choice than your car. Sounds to me like you bought a luxury car to try to one-up your friends.
 
I own an SUV, looking to buy another actually.

I have a side job where I am a courier and an SUV is a GODSEND for my job, especially after the snowstorm we had here a couple days ago. My SUV offers a decent ride hight that is very easy to step in and out of, much easier than a low sitting car or station wagon. The functionality is essential when I've got close to 80 cubic feet worth of packages to be delivered. The ground clearance and 4WD is a necessity for the lazy bastards that don't plow their driveway and have 12" of snow built up but still demand that their packages get delivered to their doorstep.

I also have to drive on some gravel and country roads with potholes that would swallow the 14" or 15" wheels of many econoboxes. I just roll over them with ease. My SUV is also built fairly rugged and can take the abuse that a courier route throws at it.

My gas milage really is not a problem because by the time I weigh down a little 4 or 6 cylinder wagon or hatch with over 800 pounds of weight, that 30 MPG goes down hill real quick.

Minivans won't work for me because they are too long and won't fit in my garage. My SUV is actually shorter than the Monte Carlo that we own. It really is the right "tool" for the job.
 
Those big ass long-wheelbase pickups weight just as much as the largest SUV's.

My Dodge ram weighs in at 6450 lbs with me in it. ( According to truck scale 😀 ) MPG hovers around 5. I might get 6 if I do alot of highway driving. I bought it for a few reasons.

#1 I have always wanted a V-10.
#2 I work for Home Depot, so I am always hauling around big stuff ( I work in millwork, so sometimes I have to go out and install patio doors / front doors / ect )
#3 I wanted a huge truck that I I could put a lift kit on ( not done yet ) an have fun driving off road.

Could I have gotten a 1500 dodge instead of the 2500 that I have? Sure. but then I could not have had a V-10, or the weight capacity. I have had 2 pallets of concrete in the back of my truck ( about 3800 lbs each ) I can think of no other mass produced truck besides a 3500 dodge or a 550 superduty that could do that.

Every time it snows I drive around and pull people out of ditches. If they want to pay me, fine. I don't ask. I usually get enough to cover my gas use. 2 days ago Chicago got about 8" of snow, so as usual, I spent the day out driving around. It was a slow day, I only pulled 2 people out. One was the lady I mentioned above. ( she didn't know her blazer was 4x4, or how to use it ) the other was a lincolin where the driver only slid off about 3 feet, but it was far enough to get the right front tire into a dranige ditch.

Last year was better. I pulled out usually, about 4-5 cars per snowstorm. Last year, when we got 12" in about 5 hours, I was pulling people out left and right. My biggest was 2 semi's ( one loaded, one unloaded. Loaded had about 38000 #'s per driver ) both got stuck in the same spot in the Home Depot lot. they both got the drive wheels up on the lane devider on the entrance / exit. Both ignored the sign that says "Trucks use next entrance" They just needed a little tug, then they were free. I got $100 from one driver,and I found out a tow for these guys is like $300 Owie.

So before you people critisize us, remember that we may be pulling you out of a ditch some day. 😀

Oh, and I do agree with some of the people. Some are buying these trucks as status symbols ( yes, that was part of the season I bought mine ) If you buy it, use it. "Remember, do onto others...."
 
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44.37 Posts a day? My god, go outside and get some fresh air and sun!
 
i drive my 1.8T Jetta, cause it is fun to drive, not too bad on gas (i do have to give it premium, but whatever...) and it is wicked fast....


just my 2 cents... 🙂




agg123456789
 
i dont hate SUVs but id much rather have a sedan instead. unless i have a need for an SUV i wont get one like most get it for 'looks'. i drive a 2000 accord v6 coupe 🙂
 
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