For those of you with webcertificates read this!!!!

[elektronic]

<< They let me overcharge my account by $1.81 and they said i'd have to pay it or they'd have their collections department take care of it. I told them there was no way they could make me pay, their TOS said nothing about it, and IT'S NOT CREDIT. >>



DoomGuy is next to be featured on "repo men - guys who steal for a living"

 

[MisterE]

"They let me overcharge my account by $1.81 and they said i'd have to pay it or they'd have their collections department take care of it. I told them there was no way they could make me pay, their TOS said nothing about it, and IT'S NOT CREDIT."

WebCert wants you to pay a legitimate debt that you incurred? How unfair.

 

[worth]

Legitimate charge? Hardly... If Anand decided to suddenly charge you $500 for posting on the forums, would that be a legitimate charge? I think not...

 

[MisterE]

worth, If you spend more than your available credit card or checking account balance, then you are responsible for covering the lack of sufficient funds. If Doomguy overcharged his WebCertificate, even for the small amount of $1.81, even if WebCertificate "allowed him to," then he should pay the oustanding balance. That isn't a difficult concept to grasp, is it?

 

[slycat]

watch it...paypal is next.

 

[netsurfer007]

They are trying to scare people.

Using a collection firm to collect 0.05 I owe them would cost them ALOT more than they'd receive.

A real collection firm would laugh at them if they turned over thousands of accounts that 'owe' less
than $1!

ecount has a lot of nerve trying to extort money from people. Guess they are sick of getting hit by extortion themselves!

 

[telstar1]

If I were a smart cybercriminal I would send out a message pretending to be the company saying there is nothing to fear and that the real criminal may try to contact you telling you your account is at risk. Makes you wonder...

 

[clarkmo]

Yeah, I'm wondering, all right.

 

[Sanjoelo]

The letter sent from Webcertificates was legit. They've known about this person for some time, and have forewarned people that this person may be trying to contact them. I've spoken to then on the phone in regards to this (I didn't get the phone number from an email, either.) The worst thing you can do is to acknowledge that any of the info he has is correct--or incorrect. Don't reply at all. The account numbers that were violated have all been wiped out and replaced. If you need further reassurance, I would suggest contacting them yourself.

I won't bother posting their number--it can be found on the web.

 

[CentralScrutinizer]

<< The account numbers that were violated have all been wiped out and replaced. >>



Not true. I got an email yesterday from "Mr. Zilterio" This guy sent me my name, address and account number. I checked my webcertificate account imediately, and it was ALL current information --even the webcertificate mastercard number, which had changed after the "last" episode.

Good thing my account is $0. But webcert either not telling the truth, or they don't know what is going on.

Quite a drama.

 

[MissClemson]

Even without the security concerns like this, I am not gonna use WC or Ecount, they were rejected at a lot of websites and thus ruined a lot of deals. I have about $45 in WC, and I had never successfully made a transcation after I called these $uckers to try to order a phone card at $20. They should be out of business a long time ago.

 

[Bad Dude]

I got the same message. But I have no money in the account for over 2 years now.

 

[Sanjoelo]

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<< The account numbers that were violated have all been wiped out and replaced. >>



Not true. I got an email yesterday from "Mr. Zilterio" This guy sent me my name, address and account number. I checked my webcertificate account imediately, and it was ALL current information --even the webcertificate mastercard number, which had changed after the "last" episode.

Good thing my account is $0. But webcert either not telling the truth, or they don't know what is going on.

Quite a drama. >>



You're right, I just rechecked mine, and he did have current information. My account was also at $0, and will remain there for all eternity. Just falsified the rest of my info as well. Bye, webcertificates. Great idea, really poor implementation.

 

[noxxic]

Hmm, I still haven't received any email from him... I wonder if that's good (he doesn't have my info), or bad (he's keeping it for his own stash). To those that got the new threat -- did you change your passwords the last time around? Just trying to find out why I'm not getting any email from him...

 

[SleeplessHeart]

I wouldn't even bother with the content of the letter although it has my actual address in it. But then again, the credit card number shown is not mine. That number belongs to WebCertificate that I was using to make purchase.

 

[Sweetiegirl]

I have never been able to successfully use a webcertificate either. I've got about $50 on mine.

 

[noxxic]

Give it to me I've been able to use mine on Amazon, Dell, Crucial, Mushkin, Buy.com, NetFlix, RentMyDVD and a few others. The only place I remember that refused it was I think PayPal.

 

[MisterE]

I've used my WebCert for over 150 purchases, and I can't remember it ever being rejected. Well there was one time, but that was because the merchant did not accept MasterCard (which is basically what the WebCert functions as).

E.

 

[dealsearcher]

I don't know about you guys, but it scares me that this "Mr. Zilterio" has my personal information.. as in my full name, real address and everything.. (except he didn't get the right webcertificate number).. and it's not too easy last time I checked to get a new name and move to a new place.. dispite what webcertificate says..

 

[cuteybunny]

10/31/01 Dormancy fee charged for the month of October, 2001 -$0.94
9/30/01 Dormancy fee charged for the month of September -$3.00

this is all i had and now down to 0.00!!!
stupid webcdertifcates why did they let hacker get in? and thats their fault, they have to pay instead not us who have only a little money left in there.

here a little notice for their excuses:

Dear Valued Customer,

Per our previous messages, we?ve confirmed that a cyber criminal inappropriately accessed our systems in late August, and stole personal account information from our database, including your Name, Address, Email and Webcertificate number.

Working with the proper legal authorities, we now believe that within the next 24 hours, the criminal may attempt to SPAM you with false information.


He will claim to have your credit card number. He does not. It?s impossible, since we do not and never have stored credit card numbers.
He may claim that he can use your Webcertificate funds. This is absolutely not true. He has your old invalid Webcertificate number, which is blocked and cannot be used by anyone.
While the email will reveal personal information (name, address, email), you?re at no financial risk.
This criminal?s unscrupulous act is a last-ditch attempt to damage our business for fighting back against his extortionist demands. If he?s so brazen to continue to SPAM you in the future, please continue to show your resolve by deleting his emails.

Thanks for your overwhelmingly positive support. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact us at customerservice@webcertificate.com, or call us at 800-511-1781.

Sincerely,

Matthew J. Gillin

CEO

 

[alankool]

Now this sucks I have 75 bucks in my account from when beenz went out. I hope they caught him 75 bucks is alot of money to me.

 

[noxxic]

I'm not too worried about the name & address... Everyone from Playboy to Kmart knows about it... I don't think he can do much with it except send me more junk mail. But thank god WC didn't have my SS# or anything like that...

 

[Justincase]

>>>I'm not too worried about the name & address... Everyone from Playboy to Kmart knows about it... I don't think he can do much with it except send me more junk mail. But thank god WC didn't have my SS# or anything like that.<<<

With just your name and Zip code, anyone can obtain your Social Security number, and from there gain access to your credit history, medical records, and pretty much anything else they desire...I wouldn't get too comfortable about [any company] not having your SSN on file. Then again, I wouldn't get too concerned about WC - if the alleged hacker wanted to do anything with your WC info, he probably would have done so already.

 

[sm4k]

<< They are trying to scare people.

Using a collection firm to collect 0.05 I owe them would cost them ALOT more than they'd receive.

A real collection firm would laugh at them if they turned over thousands of accounts that 'owe' less
than $1!

ecount has a lot of nerve trying to extort money from people. Guess they are sick of getting hit by extortion themselves! >>



Yeah.. If they were going to collect from just one person. If they are collecting the $0.51 from everyone who ows them $0.51 it would probably be worth it. They aren't extorting money from you, that's money that you have overdrawn in an account with them. With a bank if you manage to overdraw, not only do you have to pay them the amount you've overdrawn, but the bank will fine you $$, so will the people you paid the false money to. No one accuses them of 'extortion' and they've been doing that for years.

And about the charges.. they told you those charges were going to incure when you signed up. You agreed to the terms of service and therfore agreed to pay those charges. If you dont like it, dont use them.

 

[no0b]

<< Legitimate charge? Hardly... If Anand decided to suddenly charge you $500 for posting on the forums, would that be a legitimate charge? I think not... >>


quiet your giving him idea's