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For those looking at the OCZ Vertex EX...

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alcoholbob

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I would hold off on the purchase right now.

I just picked one up and it has NO FIRMWARE. I checked up with the seller and they told me apparently all the drives they received were defective.

High five OCZ!
 
thanks for the update i was just about to buy one, i read in an anandtech article that some were shipped with the older firmware as well, probably best to wait a few weeks. Is the Gskill Falcon as good at the OCZ?
 
How the fvck does a company screw up that badly?

Next your going to tell us when you get the firmware that the memory chips are recycled from someone's digital camera and are preloaded with all manner of pr0n and pirated software.

The EX is targeted at a far more professional crowd, the enterprise segment, to fark up like this with a group of people even more risk-intolerant than the consumer segment is, well a pretty big SNAFU.
 
idoncare... apple shipped a bunch of virus infected ipods...
see, apple beleived their OWN bs about apples being immune to viruses... so they had no safeties in place, and next thing you know they are shipping ipods with a virus on the HDD (granted, a windows virus... because who wants a botnet or keylogger that can infect less than 10% of the computers out there?)
 
Originally posted by: taltamir
idoncare... apple shipped a bunch of virus infected ipods...
see, apple beleived their OWN bs about apples being immune to viruses... so they had no safeties in place, and next thing you know they are shipping ipods with a virus on the HDD (granted, a windows virus... because who wants a botnet or keylogger that can infect less than 10% of the computers out there?)
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Oh I know it's possible and has happened before (Zune's too)...but those were consumer-grade devices.

If you want to crack into enterprise (and who else are SLC devices targeted towards?) you don't do it by showing how little quality control is actually in place.

I just find it so laughably comical. I get this growing impression that work-life inside OCZ must be a lot like working for the Scranton branch of Dundler Mifflin...
 
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1182/vertexex.jpg

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/7276/dscf1393.jpg

It comes up as a 120GB drive, I hope I haven't gotten an firmware-less 120GB Vertex labeled as a 60G Vertex EX.

Originally posted by: Rifterut
thanks for the update i was just about to buy one, i read in an anandtech article that some were shipped with the older firmware as well, probably best to wait a few weeks. Is the Gskill Falcon as good at the OCZ?
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The EX series, not the regular Vertex. The EX goes for $700 for 60G, $1300 for 120G...as far as the regular Vertex vs Gskill Falcon, both drives have 1275 and 1370 firmware still floating around, its really hit or miss. But the two firmware are identical save for support for the trimwiper22 application.
 
what did OCZ say?

and have you tried to flash it yet? (OCZ says their flashing procedure can be used on drives where the flashing failed before, due to power failure or disconnect... so it should be possible to flash a blank drive that way)
 
Originally posted by: Astrallite
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1182/vertexex.jpg

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/7276/dscf1393.jpg

It comes up as a 120GB drive, I hope I haven't gotten an firmware-less 120GB Vertex labeled as a 60G Vertex EX.

Originally posted by: Rifterut
thanks for the update i was just about to buy one, i read in an anandtech article that some were shipped with the older firmware as well, probably best to wait a few weeks. Is the Gskill Falcon as good at the OCZ?
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The EX series, not the regular Vertex. The EX goes for $700 for 60G, $1300 for 120G...as far as the regular Vertex vs Gskill Falcon, both drives have 1275 and 1370 firmware still floating around, its really hit or miss. But the two firmware are identical save for support for the trimwiper22 application.
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The Gskill has a Trimm function also. http://gskill.us/forum/showthread.php?t=733
 
thats not trim. thats a program that goes through the drive and "clears" all the empty space... its basically a specialized defragging tool... on a 32bit windows machine, where the SSD is a non os drive, with risk of ramdom dataloss... It is not an "ongoing" solution and it is very bad for your drive's lifespan.

TRIM means that every time a file is deleted the controller is notified, the controller keeps a chart of what space is "free" and can now defrag free space ahead of time at its discretion. which means it will keep a certain percentage of the drive "clear" via a variety of leveling and trimming algorithms.

And did you know that the ONLY way to upgrade firmware on the vertex is to boot from ANOTHER drive into windows and then run a windows only tool (which will also destroy all data on the drive)... ugh, this is just stupid, you have to keep a second drive with another windows install just to upgrade your vertex (which needs to be done often)...

Intel has only needed one firmware upgrade so far and it could be done live. and it now reached 315$ on newegg.... I am VERY tempted to buy that right now, only real reason not to is because money is short right now... and because I swore I will wait for REAL trim to be implemented (aka, a final release of an OS with trim + non beta firmware with tested working OS level trim). Plus I don't TRUST intel... i want to actually see them release the trim function for this drive... they can decide to make a "new model" which has it instead of bringing it to current models.
 
It is bothersome that the Vertex firmware update kills all data on the drive. The Intel firmware update was just a simple CD boot application that ran once and retained data on the drive.

The Vertex drive requires you to insert a jumper into the drive before you can flash. Unless you have legacy hardware jumpers aren't that easy to find. For a laptop owner flashing a Vertex drive is just impossible.

That said, I think OCZ is squarely to blame for this issue (I'm talking about the Vertex; my EX drive is a separate issue altogether). They released a drive before it was ready. By letting it flounder in the wild for 2 months, resulting in 4 firmware revisions, they probably saved a year of QA, but the end user was hurt by it.
 
Originally posted by: taltamir
thats not trim. thats a program that goes through the drive and "clears" all the empty space... its basically a specialized defragging tool... on a 32bit windows machine, where the SSD is a non os drive, with risk of ramdom dataloss... It is not an "ongoing" solution and it is very bad for your drive's lifespan.

TRIM means that every time a file is deleted the controller is notified, the controller keeps a chart of what space is "free" and can now defrag free space ahead of time at its discretion. which means it will keep a certain percentage of the drive "clear" via a variety of leveling and trimming algorithms.

And did you know that the ONLY way to upgrade firmware on the vertex is to boot from ANOTHER drive into windows and then run a windows only tool (which will also destroy all data on the drive)... ugh, this is just stupid, you have to keep a second drive with another windows install just to upgrade your vertex (which needs to be done often)...

Intel has only needed one firmware upgrade so far and it could be done live. and it now reached 315$ on newegg.... I am VERY tempted to buy that right now, only real reason not to is because money is short right now... and because I swore I will wait for REAL trim to be implemented (aka, a final release of an OS with trim + non beta firmware with tested working OS level trim). Plus I don't TRUST intel... i want to actually see them release the trim function for this drive... they can decide to make a "new model" which has it instead of bringing it to current models.
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Thats why I called it trimfunction instead of trim. Its not the real thing, but it gives people what they want, which is basically what you said; a defrag tool. From what I read, it just writes a huge file filling up all your empty space and then clears it. Not something you want to do every day, but something that is useful once a month. I think OCZ announced that they'll get a real trim firmware for windows 7 out soon.
 
yea, i heard claims of "within a month"...
Supposedly windows 7 RC already sends trim notices to the drive whenever the user deletes anything.. it is just ignored as an unkown / invalid / non pertinent command by all drives... currently...
 
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