For those like Peter did Christ, who are thinking of denying Trump thrice...

[ch33zw1z]

This leads to an interesting question.
Do you want to see them rewarded for playing the part, of "rejecting" Trump now?
Or do you want to watch them all burn together?

A more powerful move now, is to encourage them to denounce him. If you try to keep them all lumped together, such a move to stereotype and generalize half the nation would cause backlash against us - instead of furthering a divide amongst them. The Republican Party has a weakness to exploit, but it must be done through precision, with a surgeon's knife. A blunt instrument would miss its mark.

To further illustrate . If we try to cancel half the nation, half the nation is going to cancel us in return. No limit to how badly that can escalate. There are far too many among us who are giddy at the thought of M.A.D. in the United States. Rather than a practical approach to shatter the Republican Party.

Bruh, conservatives have been canceling others for thousands of years, the USA is no exception. 2016 was just another example, and all the rhetoric that goes along with it.

 

[Jaskalas]

Bruh, conservatives have been canceling others for thousands of years, the USA is no exception. 2016 was just another example, and all the rhetoric that goes along with it.

Did you really just vote for a blunt instrument, cause of the feels?

It is tactically ignorant to want to galvanize a large number of opponents against you. As opposed to encouraging the wedge between them. Trump's religious zealots will never tolerate fellow Republicans who do not worship him. The Republican Party will be destroyed if we but encourage a position of denying Trumpism. Offer them shelter from the storm.

 

[pete6032]

I'm starting to feel not only Republican politicians but people who have expended a great deal of energy supporting Donald Trump will soon as in the Bible passage deny him thrice.

I'll call them super deplorables. People who have given up all sense of decency, morality and reality in the blind support of Donald Trump. He has caused this country to spiral out of control. People are dying, domestic terrorism in on the rise, racism has been fueled. Dog whistle be damned it is a dog bullhorn.

This is a very strange comparison. Peter did not give up his decency, morality, or reality in order to follow Jesus. Yes, he did deny his association with Jesus three times immediately before Jesus' crucifixion, but he did not continue to deny Jesus after the crucifixion. In fact Peter went on to play a key role in the early Christian church as an apostle of Jesus who shared the gospel with others. Peter was even crucified for his beliefs.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Did you really just vote for a blunt instrument, cause of the feels?

It is tactically ignorant to want to galvanize a large number of opponents against you. As opposed to encouraging the wedge between them. Trump's religious zealots will never tolerate fellow Republicans who do not worship him. The Republican Party will be destroyed if we but encourage a position of denying Trumpism. Offer them shelter from the storm.

Lol, really. Then explain how conservatives continue isolating large swsths of the population and winning elections.

The shelters been there, consistently. They take it, shit all over the place, and then blame the people providing the shelter for letting them shit all over the place, with large portions of the population cheering them on.

#never_remember

Edit: I like how you are using the new catchphrase that the right has been pushing for supposed treatment of them. If you continue to use "canceling", I'm gonna have to just assume you're ignorant of what conservatives to do other, constantly, and you should review that.

 

[ch33zw1z]

This is a very strange comparison. Peter did not give up his decency, morality, or reality in order to follow Jesus. Yes, he did deny his association with Jesus three times immediately before Jesus' crucifixion, but he did not continue to deny Jesus after the crucifixion. In fact Peter went on to play a key role in the early Christian church as an apostle of Jesus who shared the gospel with others. Peter was even crucified for his beliefs.

Indeed, IIRC he was crucified upside down as well.

 

[HomerJS]

This leads to an interesting question.
Do you want to see them rewarded for playing the part, of "rejecting" Trump now?
Or do you want to watch them all burn together?

A more powerful move now, is to encourage them to denounce him. If you try to keep them all lumped together, such a move to stereotype and generalize half the nation would cause backlash against us - instead of furthering a divide amongst them. The Republican Party has a weakness to exploit, but it must be done through precision, with a surgeon's knife. A blunt instrument would miss its mark.

To further illustrate . If we try to cancel half the nation, half the nation is going to cancel us in return. No limit to how badly that can escalate. There are far too many among us who are giddy at the thought of M.A.D. in the United States. Rather than a practical approach to shatter the Republican Party.

I would ask the question another way. Do we just give everyone who supported Trump when his character was well known to all people a mulligan? Why were the SS tried in court after WW2? Why didn't we just give them all a pass and say "all is forgiven"?

Should we just all all that stuff slide with the bar now being permanently lowered so this can happen all over again?

 

[Moonbeam]

Look at life. Is it not filled with pain? Have we not all suffered unimaginably? Is that not the source of our rage, that our pain can't be ended no matter the degree to which we obtain revenge, that we can never return to an innocent joyous state, that we can never undo what is happened, never get back what we have lost? Is that not what we really feel, the outrage of injustice, the sense of wrongness, that our innocence and being joy was taken from us, replaced by the message that we deserved what we got because we were guilty of sin?

And all those Trump supporters and Trump enemies, are they not convinced it was the fault of the other side, that each of us is as absolutely right as rain, that the world is filled with evil that, and that if we could just defeat it, we could set things right again?

And then someone came along with a mission to die on the cross so that we could be saved? How was that supposed to work?

Wasn't it by showing us ourselves in the mirror, condemned of evil and sentenced to death by crucifixion? And wasn't that someone Every Man?

And what did He offer but resurrection through death by direct acceptance of His death in faith, that only by surrender to what had been meant from the start that we can be free?

Is not our pain all the result of the fact we will not accept it, that we deny it and turn away, that we will not suffer what we really suffer as Jesus did on the cross to show us the one true exit? Is it physical death that sets us free or is it acceptance of ones fate in life, that everything that we suffer had to be? Is it not the realization that not only is there no escape in running from our pain, but that pain is the running itself, that His death really represents? Is there not a door to freedom if we are willing to take it?

I know that some claim there is, that Grace reveals her face only in grief. "Did you but suffer you would not suffer", I heard was said by Jesus in the Apocrypha.

 

[hal2kilo]

I'm starting to feel not only Republican politicians but people who have expended a great deal of energy supporting Donald Trump will soon as in the Bible passage deny him thrice.

I'll call them super deplorables. People who have given up all sense of decency, morality and reality in the blind support of Donald Trump. He has caused this country to spiral out of control. People are dying, domestic terrorism in on the rise, racism has been fueled. Dog whistle be damned it is a dog bullhorn.

Norms have been shattered, laws have been broken, record numbers of arrest, indictments and people sent to prison from his administration and campaign. False enemies have been created out of nothing while real enemies are ignored or openly encouraged by Trump. Around the world allies are alienated while we cozy up to dictators.

I have a message for all you people who will now try to portray themselves as some sort of decent human being. It's too late. You've made your choice to side the lawless, corrupt, immoral, racist, anti-Semitic, congenital liar. Any negative epithet you can think of can be applied to Trump. He has degraded and debased the office of President. You decided to treat Trump ;like Catholics treat the Pope as an infallible deity. Not a knock against Catholics it is their religion and they should be free to practice it as they see fit as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. Super deplorables have elevated Trump to the level of a Pope who very word is never to be questioned.

This country has gone down the toilet and you super deplorables are responsible. You have made your tub of vile so now you can soak in it for the rest of your lives.

You had plenty changes to "see the light". I suspect most of you intentionally didn't for some unknown reason. I have a friend who was a Trump supporter. More accurately a lifelong Republican. A bunch of us were out the weekend after Charlottesville. I tried then to impress upon her how bad this guy is. She made every excuse for him you have heard and ended with "He didn't mean it". She finally woke up after George Floyd. She called me to apologize about her past support for him and acknowledged his racism. She also said "I now understand why BLM is necessary today" I appreciated that because it was genuine. She will be voting for Biden this fall.

You people have treated Trump like Jesus and you can't absolve your past by denying him thrice. It's too late.

End of rant

It seems to work. Look at the name of the church located in the Vatican.

 

[sportage]

That biblical quote might apply if this were not a cult. We are addressing a cult and a cult is anything but biblical.

 

[kage69]

That biblical quote might apply if this were not a cult. We are addressing a cult and a cult is anything but biblical.

I don't think there is as much space between evangelical christians and the maga cult as you are submitting, the overlap in membership is hard to ignore. Keep in mind more evangelicals voted for Trump than Dubya, and that moron was way better at pretending to be a christian. They have a culture war to fight, remember? People get butthurt over it, but really christianity itself is basically a cult of sacrifice (see John 3:16) that went commercial. It's a vehicle. I recall a lot of effort by magat holy rollers to frame Trump's imperious excesses and "transactional nature" as him being the new King David, King Cyrus or King Solomon. The support from the pulpit for the Russian Asset could be it's own thread.

Appealing to people's sense of faith with a quote is understandable to me though, what with previous appeals to republican humanity, patriotism, decency and duty all having been ignored. Perhaps the crowd their Jesus hung out with put them more at ease with being political prostitutes. They certainly don't seem to be ashamed of selling their dignity for short term gain.