For those having trouble voting Clinton..

[omega3]

For those still having trouble voting for Clinton just realize you're doing it for yourself and your family, not her. Clinton is your typical play for pay politician but at least she will be able to maintain stability and that's important to me and my family.

Trump on the other hand is an egomaniac anarchist with a track record of screwing over people, from 7 failed companies to his scam Trump "University". Why on earth would we trust an asshole like him to run the country. He's a con artist whose radical economic views could literally send this country into recession and for those with stocks in the market, could make us lose lots of money.

At the end of the day I just want peace and stability and move on with my live, therefore I will be voting Clinton. Hope you understand and will do the same. Please also mobilize your neighbors and friends to vote. God bless.

 

[BoomerD]

I don't like Hillary...never have, and at this point, the only really good thing that can be said about her is that at least she's not Donald Trump...which, IMO, is much worse.

It's fucking sad that these two are the "best" candidates that "we the people" get as choices. Fucked we are...once again.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Bill Clinton supports scam universities too fwiw.

 

[Moonbeam]

I am going to vote for Clinton because I have become convinced that there is more chance that she is more like Sanders than Trump is. The years and years of anti Clinton rhetoric I have listened to have had an effect, but nothing seems to permanently dent my eternal optimism.

 

[IronWing]

Bill Clinton supports scam universities too fwiw.

While Yale Law School is no Liberty University, I wouldn't exactly call it a scam either.

 

[BoomerD]

I am going to vote for Clinton because I have become convinced that there is more chance that she is more like Sanders than Trump is. The years and years of anti Clinton rhetoric I have listened to have had an effect, but nothing seems to permanently dent my eternal optimism.

If Bernie was the Democratic candidate, I'd have to vote 3rd party again. (like I did for O'Bummer's first election against McSame)

He's just TOO liberal for my liking.

 

[Mai72]

You don't get it.

People are pissed. They are pissed at the establishment. If that means electing someone like Donald then so be it. He will at least shake things up a bit. Hillary is more of the same same. Many people are hurting. There are many Americans who are just barely getting by. Their concerns ignored. All these country club politicans care about are themselves. They can look you in the eye, grin and tell you everything is gonna be fine. Bullshit*t!

I'm not a Trump fan. I think he's a loon. But, I am a fan of breaking the establishment. I live in NJ so I know what Trump has done. It wasn't pretty. But again, it has to do more with breaking the establishment. Something needs to be done. With that said, Hillary will probably win the election.

 

[nickqt]

You don't get it.

People are pissed. They are pissed at the establishment. If that means electing someone like Donald then so be it. He will at least shake things up a bit. Hillary is more of the same same. Many people are hurting. There are many Americans who are just barely getting by. Their concerns ignored. All these country club politicans care about are themselves. They can look you in the eye, grin and tell you everything is gonna be fine. Bullshit*t!

I'm not a Trump fan. I think he's a loon. But, I am a fan of breaking the establishment. I live in NJ so I know what Trump has done. It wasn't pretty. But again, it has to do more with breaking the establishment. Something needs to be done. With that said, Hillary will probably win the election.

Electing a narcissist bigot to "shake things up" is a bad idea, if you're reasonable and rational.

At some point, the fools who've bought into the neoliberal economics of the past 36+ years, who continue supporting it by supporting Trump, need to be honest with themselves, although admitting that you've been a useful idiot your entire political life is uncomfortable.

They either need to wake up, or embrace their status as self-made losers who voted for people who handed them anchors, stay home, and binge watch Duck Dynasty and Storage Wars and let people who function in objective, observable reality fix shit.

The Republican party as been claiming that the government is the problem for 36 years, and then once in government, proved themselves correct by breaking everything.

"Shake things up". What a great euphemism and roundabout way to say, "stop voting for the standard Republican party candidate... without acknowledging that the Republican party policies have brought us here".

 

[Jhhnn]

I am going to vote for Clinton because I have become convinced that there is more chance that she is more like Sanders than Trump is. The years and years of anti Clinton rhetoric I have listened to have had an effect, but nothing seems to permanently dent my eternal optimism.

I like that. Thank you.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Electing a narcissist bigot to "shake things up" is a bad idea, if you're reasonable and rational.

At some point, the fools who've bought into the neoliberal economics of the past 36+ years, who continue supporting it by supporting Trump, need to be honest with themselves, although admitting that you've been a useful idiot your entire political life is uncomfortable.

They either need to wake up, or embrace their status as self-made losers who voted for people who handed them anchors, stay home, and binge watch Duck Dynasty and Storage Wars and let people who function in objective, observable reality fix shit.

The Republican party as been claiming that the government is the problem for 36 years, and then once in government, proved themselves correct by breaking everything.

"Shake things up". What a great euphemism and roundabout way to say, "stop voting for the standard Republican party candidate... without acknowledging that the Republican party policies have brought us here".

What definition of "neoliberal" are you using such that it doesn't apply to HRC? Trump isn't a reputable guy, obviously, but the things he say are in opposition to what I would consider to be one of the fundamental tenets of neoliberalism, which is international free-trade policy. You could blame Reagan for starting it (he didn't but whatever), but most current Dems are on board now.

 

[Commodus]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: if you're at all against Trump, you must vote for Clinton. It's not so much what happens to you if Trump wins as what happens to others.

Black, Latino and Muslim people don't get the luxury of a protest vote. If Trump wins, you can be sure that police accountability and other federal-level anti-racism efforts will either take a backseat or be scrapped. Trump certainly won't fight GOP gerrymandering and other attempts to disenfranchise minority voters. And while a lot of his anti-immigration talk is just a racist's wet dream fantasy, you can be sure that he'll foster anti-Mexican and anti-Muslim sentiment as much as he can.

LGBT people don't get the luxury of a protest vote. A Trump win means a more conservative Supreme Court that's more likely to be homophobic and transphobic, so it's less likely to vote in favor of rights and freedoms. It also means that any thinly-veiled attempts to discriminate against LGBT people in bills (and you know the Republicans will try to tack anti-LGBT elements on as riders) are more likely to pass.

Women don't get the luxury of a protest vote. Should Trump win, the government and Supreme Court are more likely to look the other way when a state passes a cowardly ban-abortion-by-making-it-difficult law. You can be sure that there won't be much attention given to efforts to get more women into STEM careers or otherwise address long-term equal opportunity issues. And of course, Trump parrots the lies about Planned Parenthood and the 'need' to defund it... hope you don't mind women losing the non-abortion services that make up the majority of what the organization actually does.

The planet doesn't get the luxury of a protest vote. Trump rejects basic climate change science, the necessary transition to clean energy and similar issues. That should be an automatic dealbreaker for anyone who believes that science and the environment matter in policy.

This isn't to say that Clinton is a saint by any means, or that she'll address all the issues I mentioned in a proper way. But she's infinitely better than Trump, and I don't want to see legions of people screwed over simply because someone's personal pride got in the way. You say vote your conscience? My conscience says that it's not worth the risk of hurting millions of people to vote for a candidate I know stands zero chance of getting elected. The US' two-party system sucks, but it's more important to keep Trump out of office than to reform the political process right now. You can do that when both major party candidates are reasonable people.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I'm against Trump primarily because he's more economically-"big government" than Clinton. The Republican party mutating into a full-fledged populist, protectionist, "Muh jerbs" party is just about the last thing we need. Everything else you mentioned is a reason to not vote Republican in general, nothing to do with Trump specifically (he's the most socially liberal candidate they've ever had), and a reason for socially liberal (R)s to vote third-party/libertarian until the old Christian generation dies off.

 

[pcgeek11]

Electing a narcissist bigot to "shake things up" is a bad idea, if you're reasonable and rational.

At some point, the fools who've bought into the neoliberal economics of the past 36+ years, who continue supporting it by supporting Trump, need to be honest with themselves, although admitting that you've been a useful idiot your entire political life is uncomfortable.

They either need to wake up, or embrace their status as self-made losers who voted for people who handed them anchors, stay home, and binge watch Duck Dynasty and Storage Wars and let people who function in objective, observable reality fix shit.

The Republican party as been claiming that the government is the problem for 36 years, and then once in government, proved themselves correct by breaking everything.

"Shake things up". What a great euphemism and roundabout way to say, "stop voting for the standard Republican party candidate... without acknowledging that the Republican party policies have brought us here".

Yeah!

The Democrats had nothing to do with it.

[/sarcasm)

( Do you really believe that bull shit or are you just being a troll?
Both parties are responsible and Bill and Hillary are a huge part of the problems in our Government. Something needs to change and Hillary is not going to change anything.)

 

[sdifox]

What definition of "neoliberal" are you using such that it doesn't apply to HRC? Trump isn't a reputable guy, obviously, but the things he say are in opposition to what I would consider to be one of the fundamental tenets of neoliberalism, which is international free-trade policy. You could blame Reagan for starting it (he didn't but whatever), but most current Dems are on board now.

Except Trump benefited greatly from free trade...

 

[Jhhnn]

What definition of "neoliberal" are you using such that it doesn't apply to HRC? Trump isn't a reputable guy, obviously, but the things he say are in opposition to what I would consider to be one of the fundamental tenets of neoliberalism, which is international free-trade policy. You could blame Reagan for starting it (he didn't but whatever), but most current Dems are on board now.

Dodging the point entirely, I see.

 

[zinfamous]

You don't get it.

People are pissed. They are pissed at the establishment. If that means electing someone like Donald then so be it. He will at least shake things up a bit. Hillary is more of the same same. Many people are hurting. There are many Americans who are just barely getting by. Their concerns ignored. All these country club politicans care about are themselves. They can look you in the eye, grin and tell you everything is gonna be fine. Bullshit*t!

I'm not a Trump fan. I think he's a loon. But, I am a fan of breaking the establishment. I live in NJ so I know what Trump has done. It wasn't pretty. But again, it has to do more with breaking the establishment. Something needs to be done. With that said, Hillary will probably win the election.

You realize how much more all of those people will be hurting with Trump?

Yes, I get that people are hurting and they are angry--I think everyone understands that--but this is serious: Anyone planning to retire in the next ~12 years and live off of savings/investments should be scared shitless over the prospect of a Trump presidency.

The world economy--through fiscal policy, world instability/war/increasing terror, and profound distrust and lack of confidence in the US--would be completely fucked for a decade, if not more, if this clown is ever given the power to try and "bankrupt" his way towards making this "country great again."

Being fed up and angry is no excuse to gleefully watch the world burn. That is the behavior of petulant children.

 

[Triloby]

Black, Latino and Muslim people don't get the luxury of a protest vote. If Trump wins, you can be sure that police accountability and other federal-level anti-racism efforts will either take a backseat or be scrapped. Trump certainly won't fight GOP gerrymandering and other attempts to disenfranchise minority voters. And while a lot of his anti-immigration talk is just a racist's wet dream fantasy, you can be sure that he'll foster anti-Mexican and anti-Muslim sentiment as much as he can.

For a few of my neighbors, this was pretty much the exact reason they're voting for Hillary. Even if Trump isn't fully serious about following through with his anti-Muslim and anti-Mexican rhetoric, he's still fostering pointless hatred against minority voters. And we all know how much minorities enjoy being targeted for things they may or may not have anything to do with, right? /s

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Except Trump benefited greatly from free trade...

Yeah, he's an opportunist. That doesn't answer how HRC isn't a neoliberal.

Dodging the point entirely, I see.

Saying nothing of value like the old colostomy bag you are, I see.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Here is the Clinton Foundation admitting to taking money from the government of Qatar just this weekend. Notice that they told Obama they would not do this, but did it anyway. Also notice that they said the $1MM payment was not a substantial increase over previous payments.

But it was an increase:

Although Cookstra said the sum did not constitute an increase in funding, there is evidence of at least eight other countries besides Qatar whose donations can clearly be construed as an ‘increase in funding.’ This includes the UK, which tripled the sum slated for the Foundation’s health project to $11.2 million in the years 2009-2012.

When questioned by Reuters last year, Cookstra admitted that a complete list of donors hadn’t been published since 2010.

https://www.rt.com/usa/365442-clinton-foundation-qatar-emails/

They even stopped publishing donor lists because they knew what they were doing was wrong.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yeah!

The Democrats had nothing to do with it.

( Do you really believe that bull shit or are you just being a troll?
Both parties are responsible and Bill and Hillary are a huge part of the problems in our Government. Something needs to change and Hillary is not going to change anything.)

You really don't get it. Exactly what kind of change do you want? And which party has expressed any desire to deliver it? Can it occur in the face of spiteful obstructionism by a Repub Congress who represent the interests of Wealth above all others? Who cripple govt efforts to change other than in that direction?

 

[dank69]

Here is the Clinton Foundation admitting to taking money from the government of Qatar just this weekend. Notice that they told Obama they would not do this, but did it anyway. Also notice that they said the $1MM payment was not a substantial increase over previous payments.

But it was an increase:



https://www.rt.com/usa/365442-clinton-foundation-qatar-emails/

They even stopped publishing donor lists because they knew what they were doing was wrong.

Hillary is just corrupt. If that's who you want to make president, go right ahead.

I, too, get all my election information from Russian propaganda outlets.

 

[pcgeek11]

You really don't get it. Exactly what kind of change do you want? And which party has expressed any desire to deliver it? Can it occur in the face of spiteful obstructionism by a Repub Congress who represent the interests of Wealth above all others? Who cripple govt efforts to change other than in that direction?

No, you don't get it. Neither party has expressed any desire to do shit and will continue to do for themselves. Something needs to give even if it requires things to blow up in our faces first. You don't think Hillary and the Dems represent the interrest of wealth above all else? You need to look at Hillary's track record with wall street.

Please show me where I said the Republicans were innocent.

I was only commenting on his false post that all of the government issues were the result of the republicans and their leadership.

They are all guilty as sin. The Dems had the house senate and presidential branches all to themselves. What did they do? NOTHING except enrich themselves.

 

[theeedude]

Last time we had a "corrupt" Clinton in the White House, and a GOP House with never ending investigations, the country did a whole lot better than it has since "dignity and integrity" got "restored" to the White House by GWB. It's not really a hard decision, this is a lay up, not a half court.

 

[Jhhnn]

Here is the Clinton Foundation admitting to taking money from the government of Qatar just this weekend. Notice that they told Obama they would not do this, but did it anyway. Also notice that they said the $1MM payment was not a substantial increase over previous payments.

But it was an increase:



https://www.rt.com/usa/365442-clinton-foundation-qatar-emails/

They even stopped publishing donor lists because they knew what they were doing was wrong.

Hillary is just corrupt. If that's who you want to make president, go right ahead.

Gawd. Cry me a river. The Clinton Foundation took what was apparently a continuing commitment from the Qataris & didn't tell the State Dept. You know, Qatar, who provide us with airbases & troops in our most excellent adventures in Iraq & Libya. Under an agreement w/ the Obama Admin that allowed previous commitments to continue. And then used it for Charity.

The State Dept acknowledged that nobody told them. They haven't claimed it violated the agreement, however.

How much influence do you think $1M will get you from an organization that's raised & spent $2B? What makes you think the Qataris don't already have access at the highest levels across multiple Admins?

 

[Jhhnn]

No, you don't get it. Neither party has expressed any desire to do shit and will continue to do for themselves. Something needs to give even if it requires things to blow up in our faces first. You don't think Hillary and the Dems represent the interrest of wealth above all else? You need to look at Hillary's track record with wall street.

Please show me where I said the Republicans were innocent.

I was only commenting on his false post that all of the government issues were the result of the republicans and their leadership.

They are all guilty as sin. The Dems had the house senate and presidential branches all to themselves. What did they do? NOTHING except enrich themselves.

Pure Bullshit. Dems controlled both houses for a brief period in 2009. From that, we got a necessary continuing bailout, the ACA, Dodd-Frank, tax cuts for middle America & other stuff as well.

Repubs achieved a blocking position in the Senate when Brown was sworn in & went on to achieve near total obstructionism after the 2010 election.

You know it's true. Stop pretending.