for those 25yrs and younger

[Dissipate]

Am I the only one who doesn't want to die in a foreign country for some ego maniac neo-con's empire building agenda??!! It's time to start handing out the "FVCK THE DRAFT" T-shirts.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

My question to everyone here is: do you think the American public will allow the US to invade Iran or NK? The administration was able to go after Iraq, largely because of the fears of 9/11. But those fears have subsided now, and I would like to know if this country would largely support an invasion into Iran or North Korea?

 

[Lovepig]

We have no choice. They will do whatever they want. Excuses and justification will follow, so will the complaining. No matter what they do there will always be the complining.

But you can rest assured that if they choose to pursue (or not pursue) a certain course of action, it has nothing to do with the will of the working people. Those who never need to work control the country. And revolution is nearly impossible...

 

[nageov3t]

but if I don't vote for Bush, the terrorists win :shocked:

you don't hate American, do you?

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Lovepig
Are you reading this!!?? I just said "Kerry has no chance"

Pay attention. At least be willing to scan the last few posts...

Are you reading this? You make me chuckle. Sounds to me like a bunch of giddy schoolgirls heard Bush's speach on Thursday and think he has a cakewalk to the finish line. LMAO. There is a long time between now and November and you think that Kerry was going to play all his cards before the RNC? Again, LMAO!

 

[Lovepig]

Hillary won't let him win. If he even gets too close to winning something will happen to effect the outcome. It is rigged. Kerry was set-up to lose. He can't win. The higher powers are just using him as filler.

I'm glad we made you happy though. May you chuckle often!

 

[Amused]

FUD

 

[Luck JF]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
My question to everyone here is: do you think the American public will allow the US to invade Iran or NK? The administration was able to go after Iraq, largely because of the fears of 9/11. But those fears have subsided now, and I would like to know if this country would largely support an invasion into Iran or North Korea?

Obviously once all the terrorists in Iraq are dead the war on terror must go on.
Both John Kerry and George Bush have vowed to continue to fight the war on terror. That means yes we have to invade other countries where terrorists are hiding. Both candidates have already promised to do this.

Of course Iran could avoid war by inviting us in. Their current government could stay in power and we could root out the terrorists. Or they could go after the terrorists themselves like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are doing. It is their call. There is no way we are going to let Iran skate without either doing the job themselves or allowing us to do it for them or us forcing them to comply by invading and replacing the regime. Those are the options.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Luck JF

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
My question to everyone here is: do you think the American public will allow the US to invade Iran or NK? The administration was able to go after Iraq, largely because of the fears of 9/11. But those fears have subsided now, and I would like to know if this country would largely support an invasion into Iran or North Korea?

Obviously once all the terrorists in Iraq are dead the war on terror must go on.
Both John Kerry and George Bush have vowed to continue to fight the war on terror. That means yes we have to invade other countries where terrorists are hiding. Both candidates have already promised to do this.

They promised to invade other countries? Fsck me, I must have missed that memo!

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Am I the only one who doesn't want to die in a foreign country for some ego maniac neo-con's empire building agenda??!! It's time to start handing out the "FVCK THE DRAFT" T-shirts.

I understand what you are saying. And I keep wondering why more people are not shouting this. But the mindset seems to be and has been that it is okay to sacrifice the young.

If they bring back the draft, it would be interesting to track the draft and military status of the children of the rich and powerful.

 

[Red Dawn]

I wonder how many of the Pro War Uber Kiddies on this board would change their tune if it were them who stood a chance of taking an RPG up the ass over in Iraq?

If they do reinstate the Draft they better not allow college deferments!

 

[smashp]

They have Been revising the selective service system and Updating our ability to reinstate a draft. This is True. It doesnt mean they are going to bring back the draft, rather they need to be prepared if we need too.

That being said, Our military is having staffing problems right now and they are already thin in alot of areas.

The Thing is, there is all this talk about invading Syria, Iran , N.korea....... I dont think our military is cable of Occupying another country. Invading Iran or any other country right now is a pipe dream.....



At least I hope.

 

[nick1985]

You just scared me into voting for kerry! :Q



:roll:

 

[owensdj]

Ridiculous. It's Democrats like Charlie Rangel who are calling for a return of the draft, not President Bush.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

owensdj, your half right on that one. I think the Democrats calling for the draft was a political move on their part. In reality, the Republicans under Bush would want the draft to support his military campaign against the war on terror. I don't see Kerry continuing to invade other countries with known terrorists.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Good thread, lots of justification, little partisanship.

Oh, almost forgot.

Agreed...

...and I bet you think minorities will get drafted for combat first, right?

Originally posted by: smashp
That being said, Our military is having staffing problems right now and they are already thin in alot of areas.

The Thing is, there is all this talk about invading Syria, Iran , N.korea....... I dont think our military is cable of Occupying another country. Invading Iran or any other country right now is a pipe dream.....



At least I hope.

The media paints an uglier picture than what's really going on with the army's numbers. New recruitment and especially reenlistment are really going strong. Any actions the army are taking right now have more to do with shifting philosophies, locations, and resources, from those that were necessary during the cold war to those that offer a lot more flexibility for the ever-changing enemy.

 

[heartsurgeon]

as far as i know, the only person advocating reinstating the draft is that idiot charlie rangel (D) the congressman from Harlem.

idiot charlie

how you go from a Democrat congressman introducing a bill to reinstate the draft, to claiming that Bush will do it if he is re-elected...defies any logic or reason....(unless your a liberal i suppose)

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Today's youth wants nothing to do with fighting ANY sort of war, believe me. They are lazy, unmotivated, and most just don't care. That's the sad realization, but its true of my generation.

Why would we want anything to do with the war? We are lazy and unmotivated, but that is not the reason we don't want anything to do with the war.

I once believe that Saddam and Iraq has WMDs and we are going in a capp his ass becasue of that.

As the world found out, everything Powell said and showed in U.N. was a big fat lie.

If we are to America and the world a SAFER place, why IRAQ and not NORTH KOREA?

I'll tell you why, because N Korea has no OIL

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
as far as i know, the only person advocating reinstating the draft is that idiot charlie rangel (D) the congressman from Harlem.

idiot charlie

i'm guessing he want all the harlem youth to be in military instead of being a street thugs

:roll:

 

[DZip]

What's wrong with a draft? If America needs more manpower to protect and defend our people from threats, what is wrong with the draft? Do you feel that the best way to avoid casualties is to surrender? If you live in America do we not owe it to ourselves and our children to keep this county safe?

This draft talk is just that, talk. Today?s military is the best trained and best equipped in the history of America. We will continue to have brave and dedicated men and women join to protect our country.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I don't think the country will tolerate a draft, unless for a very good reason.

yep, republicans aren?t the ones that keep sending draft bills to the floor.

 

[Baltazar325]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Luck JF

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
My question to everyone here is: do you think the American public will allow the US to invade Iran or NK? The administration was able to go after Iraq, largely because of the fears of 9/11. But those fears have subsided now, and I would like to know if this country would largely support an invasion into Iran or North Korea?

Obviously once all the terrorists in Iraq are dead the war on terror must go on.
Both John Kerry and George Bush have vowed to continue to fight the war on terror. That means yes we have to invade other countries where terrorists are hiding. Both candidates have already promised to do this.

They promised to invade other countries? Fsck me, I must have missed that memo!

What? You didnt get the memo? See, we are putting these new cover sheets on our TPS reports...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

How many "draft" threads do we need before you people get the hint! - There isn't going to be a draft!!!

Oh, and this thread is obvious flame-bait so here is a for the OP.

CsG

 

[0marTheZealot]

Iran is "deeply rooted in Islamic Terrorism." We all know what that means. Evidence notwithstanding we don't need a reason to invade Iran.

1. American people --> misinformed due to the media. There was not a single news channel that was reporting a different perspective during the buildup to the war on Iraq. Unfortunately, we are one of the most ill-informed industrial populations. Our news industry is controlled by olgiarchs who have vested interests in the agri-business and petrolchemical industries. You'd be surprised how much news is mis-reported or spun into something the US gov can use.

2. Al Qaeda. While Al Qaeda still exists, we will have every "reason" to invade any state. OBL was allowed to leave Tora Bora. Do you think that the US army, with all it's sophistication and technology and precise planning could have convientantly allowed a hole in their search networks? I highly doubt that. OBL is as cruical to the US economy as is the stock market. Even the hint that OBL might be found can send stocks skyrocketing. The fact that he might be in an area close to Iran is justification enough to invade.

3. Hydrocarbon economy. Combined wit the PACs and lobbying system and the dwindling of resources on our mainland, nearly every geopolitical event has to be viewed in terms of hydrocarbon acquistion. Facts : US domestical oil production has been steadily decreasing since the 70s, http://www.hubbertpeak.com/us/ . Natural gas production has also been declining steadily. Compared to last year, we had to drill 6,400 new wells just to keep up with last year's production rates. The year before it was only 5,000. http://www.hubbertpeak.com/gas/

4. States that are "Deeply rooted in Islamic Terrorism" have an inordinate amount of natural resource wealth, things we need to continue our 12 mpg SUV driving and air conditioning on all night even though its only 75 degrees outside. http://www.aneki.com/gas.html http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0872964.html Instead of beginning a large-scale push towards smallers, more economical cars, politicans rather pander to the american public by proclaiming that driving SUVs are one of the most american things you can do. As a result of economic cars and other initiatives, Europe is closer to acheiving energy independance than we ever will be.

5. The Govnernment is adverse to the one thing that will bring relief to our lifestyle. CHANGE. Regardless of who is in office, it is the corporate interests that really determine american policy. Perputating our energy intensive life-style instead of pushing for conservation, rationing, and simple common sense initatives bows before the altar of the status quo.

 

[raildogg]

Another lame post