For Republican's: Lets play "just pretend"

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: randym431
Well, I guess I ruffled a few feathers with this post. As to the college girl story, I think people confuse things. Sure, everyone should keep what they earn and work for. But at a point you become selfish and petty. We?re not talking giving your hard earned ?whatever? away to people, we?re talking helping people. If you bought a brand new car, and your neighbor had no car, you wouldn?t ?give? your car to them so they could go to the grocery store. But if YOU are going to the grocery store and they ask to tag along with you to do some of their own shopping, that?s being kind. You cant be a miser. Look at Florida, and your tax dollars that went to help those people after all the storms. Isn?t that the way it should be. Bush had no problem going down there and handing out money, well, that too was YOUR money. So, you think he was wrong to do that?

Right, but it is a personal choice - not a gov't mandated "choice" 😛 That is the difference between the ways of thinking. How did people survive before there were all these gov't social programs? That's right- people donated and helped each other. Now people look to the gov't to help them for their every ill.

Anyway -this is off the subject of topic - which is the pretend world some are living in.
If I were to live in this pretend bubble that you laid out - ofcourse I'd support a "real" election and if the first one was fraudulent(on either or both sides) on a wide scale(enough to tip the balance) then I'd support reasonable measures to either revote/recount - whatever.
However - your pretend world isn't even close to reality.

CsG

 

[thegimp03]

wow, this is why i try not to read p&n after an election that the dems got owned in.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

This is the stupidest thing I have ever read in my life.

I think you need to do more reading then 😉

It's pretty stupid, because it ignores every systematic source of inequality and assumes that the goal of liberalism is equal redistribution.

But as straw-men go, it's also pretty clever.

 

[breweyez]

great post KMurphy :thumbsup:

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: randym431
Well, I guess I ruffled a few feathers with this post. As to the college girl story, I think people confuse things. Sure, everyone should keep what they earn and work for. But at a point you become selfish and petty.

so.. it's your job to force your social morality on others?

We?re not talking giving your hard earned ?whatever? away to people, we?re talking helping people. If you bought a brand new car, and your neighbor had no car, you wouldn?t ?give? your car to them so they could go to the grocery store. But if YOU are going to the grocery store and they ask to tag along with you to do some of their own shopping, that?s being kind.

isn't charity the most personal of moral questions?

You cant be a miser. Look at Florida, and your tax dollars that went to help those people after all the storms. Isn?t that the way it should be. Bush had no problem going down there and handing out money, well that too was YOUR money. So, you think he was wrong to do that?

It's all God's money.. 10% should go to your church and as much as you can afford should go directly to charity? but I suppose liberals lack this point of particular morality and as such think everyone else does to.

I don?t honestly think that liberals lack it any more than conservatives, but to come to that conclusion is as logical as the conclusions you?ve drawn.

There was a point in my life ware paying for my parents to get food would be a moral wrong, because paying for there food would be the same as giving them extra money for coke. There lives are changed; praise Jesus, but the fact that it's not always charitable to give money to someone who's poor stands.

It's pretty stupid, because it ignores every systematic source of inequality and assumes that the goal of liberalism is equal redistribution.

just that government instituted redistribution of wealth is inherently flawed...

edit the story: 3 girls, one with a 4.0 one with a bad home-life that's working hard with a 2.0 and one that parties? the 4.0 wants to give a point to the hard worker, but with government wealth redistribution the two 2.0's get 2.5's instead of the one that deserves the hand-up getting the 3.0

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat and was for distribution of all wealth. She felt deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, which she expressed openly.

One day she was challenging her father on his beliefs and his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare programs. Based on the lectures that she had participated in and the occasional chat with a professor she felt that for years her father had obviously harbored an evil, even selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He stopped her and asked her point blank, how she was doing in school. She answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain. That she studied all the time and never had time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend and didn't really have many college friends because of spending all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is your good friend Mary doing?" She replied, "Mary is barely getting by." She continued, "She barely has a 2.0 GPA," adding, "and all she takes are easy classes and she never studies." "But Mary is so very popular on campus, college for her is a blast, she goes to all the parties all the time and very often doesn't even show up for classes because she is too hung over."

Her father then asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's Office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your 4.0 GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0." He continued, "That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter visibly shocked by her father's suggestion angrily fired back, "That wouldn't be fair! I worked really hard for mine, I did without and Mary has done little or nothing, she played while I worked real hard!"

The father slowly smiled, winked and said, "Welcome to the Republican Party."

This is neither liberalism nor socialism nor communism. -A flawed example and not valid.
Karl Marx said:
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs". -Marx
This Mary could not uphold a 3.0 average, thus a 3.0 is not an ability of hers at the moment since social endevaors and personal entertainment are her prioritys.

Another misinformed republican getting his idealogical knowledge from a radio talk show hosts' biased lies and generalzations.


Now how could she have responded if she was as eductated and intellegent as her story
lets on to her obviously clueless father?
Think about it. This is obviously written for the kool-aid drinkers and a pretty piss poor bit of reactionary trash at that. Most likley from a spam email.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat and was for distribution of all wealth. She felt deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, which she expressed openly.

One day she was challenging her father on his beliefs and his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare programs. Based on the lectures that she had participated in and the occasional chat with a professor she felt that for years her father had obviously harbored an evil, even selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He stopped her and asked her point blank, how she was doing in school. She answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain. That she studied all the time and never had time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend and didn't really have many college friends because of spending all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is your good friend Mary doing?" She replied, "Mary is barely getting by." She continued, "She barely has a 2.0 GPA," adding, "and all she takes are easy classes and she never studies." "But Mary is so very popular on campus, college for her is a blast, she goes to all the parties all the time and very often doesn't even show up for classes because she is too hung over."

Her father then asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's Office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your 4.0 GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0." He continued, "That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter visibly shocked by her father's suggestion angrily fired back, "That wouldn't be fair! I worked really hard for mine, I did without and Mary has done little or nothing, she played while I worked real hard!"

The father slowly smiled, winked and said, "Welcome to the Republican Party."

This is the stupidest thing I have ever read in my life.

That was one of the best stories I have ever read in my life. 😀

Unless you are smart enough to realize communism isn't the same as liberalism. Clearly, you are not 😀

Socialism is though😉

CsG

You clearly have no idea what either socialism or communism is about! Read some marx or something...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Forsythe
You clearly have no idea what either socialism or communism is about! Read some marx or something...

I have read plenty TYVM - and Today's Liberalism is very much like Socialism. I suggest you open your eyes or something...

CsG

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Forsythe
You clearly have no idea what either socialism or communism is about! Read some marx or something...

I have read plenty TYVM - and Today's Liberalism is very much like Socialism. I suggest you open your eyes or something...

CsG

No, sorry. It's just another of the YABA talking points endlessly -- and mindlessly -- parroted by the flock to forge a facade of credibility through never-ending repitition. It is no more true than "liberal media" or "punishing success" or "massive stockpiles", but old-fashioned values like honesty and integrity have no place in their brave new world of greed and selfishness.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat and was for distribution of all wealth. She felt deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, which she expressed openly.

One day she was challenging her father on his beliefs and his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare programs. Based on the lectures that she had participated in and the occasional chat with a professor she felt that for years her father had obviously harbored an evil, even selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He stopped her and asked her point blank, how she was doing in school. She answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain. That she studied all the time and never had time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend and didn't really have many college friends because of spending all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is your good friend Mary doing?" She replied, "Mary is barely getting by." She continued, "She barely has a 2.0 GPA," adding, "and all she takes are easy classes and she never studies." "But Mary is so very popular on campus, college for her is a blast, she goes to all the parties all the time and very often doesn't even show up for classes because she is too hung over."

Her father then asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's Office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your 4.0 GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0." He continued, "That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter visibly shocked by her father's suggestion angrily fired back, "That wouldn't be fair! I worked really hard for mine, I did without and Mary has done little or nothing, she played while I worked real hard!"

The father slowly smiled, winked and said, "Welcome to the Republican Party."

This is the stupidest thing I have ever read in my life.

Yep. This is another example of the big lies repeated by the right. It embraces the fiction that the only reason the poor and middle class aren't wealthy is that they don't work as hard as the wealthy. Sheer nonsense, of course, but as KMurphy demonstrates so deftly, it's a handy way to evade actually addressing real issues.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat and was for distribution of all wealth. She felt deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, which she expressed openly.

One day she was challenging her father on his beliefs and his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare programs. Based on the lectures that she had participated in and the occasional chat with a professor she felt that for years her father had obviously harbored an evil, even selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He stopped her and asked her point blank, how she was doing in school. She answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain. That she studied all the time and never had time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend and didn't really have many college friends because of spending all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is your good friend Mary doing?" She replied, "Mary is barely getting by." She continued, "She barely has a 2.0 GPA," adding, "and all she takes are easy classes and she never studies." "But Mary is so very popular on campus, college for her is a blast, she goes to all the parties all the time and very often doesn't even show up for classes because she is too hung over."

Her father then asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's Office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your 4.0 GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0." He continued, "That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter visibly shocked by her father's suggestion angrily fired back, "That wouldn't be fair! I worked really hard for mine, I did without and Mary has done little or nothing, she played while I worked real hard!"

The father slowly smiled, winked and said, "Welcome to the Republican Party."

This is the stupidest thing I have ever read in my life.

Yep. This is another example of the big lies repeated by the right. It embraces the fiction that the only reason the poor and middle class aren't wealthy is that they don't work as hard as the wealthy. Sheer nonsense, of course, but as KMurphy demonstrates so deftly, it's a handy way to evade actually addressing real issues.

Clearly shows how good they are at Brainwashing. Not only new recruits but how they re-enforce the Brainwashing on themselves.

Have to give credit where credit is due, they are masters at this. Just as the Third Reicht was this is the Fourth Reicht. They obviously have learned the mistake of the Third by moving too quickly and they are pacing themselves as they slowly take over all aspects of human existence. It's incredible to watch, will be even sadder to see when people wake up and see there is nothing they can do to reverse what they allowed to happen.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
This is neither liberalism nor socialism nor communism. -A flawed example and not valid.
Karl Marx said:
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs". -Marx
This Mary could not uphold a 3.0 average, thus a 3.0 is not an ability of hers at the moment since social endevaors and personal entertainment are her prioritys.

Show me one, and I say ONE example of where Marx's ideal socialist society has been successuflly implemenmted and is also successful....the FACT is that all current and past iterations of socialism have virtually NOTHING in common with what Marx was talking about.

 

[ciba]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

This is the stupidest thing I have ever read in my life.

I think you need to do more reading then 😉

It's pretty stupid, because it ignores every systematic source of inequality and assumes that the goal of liberalism is equal redistribution.

But as straw-men go, it's also pretty clever.

Charlie, I think this depends on how you read it. If you look at it from a personal responsibility view, it just says that the government shouldn't fix personal choices.

I am firmly convinced that your "systemic source of inequality" mostly stems from ineffective families. As callous as it sounds, I will parent my own children but see no reason to pay for social programs because others are unable to.