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<< I don't believe it simply because most of the research is done by people who have a career interest in the outcome.
If they can't prove it where will all of that sweet government grant money come from?
Whatever will a scientist, read career student, do without funding? They may be forced to go get real jobs.
Heaven forbid!.
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<< Do you have a real job, or are you living high on government grants?
Do you actually work in the lab, or have some grad student do all the work while you try to find new and creative ways to get the grants?
It's not my problem if the public get sick and tired of hearing "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" only to have the same group come back and say "whoops, we were wrong". It's like Peter crying wolf too many times. Nobody believes you anymore.

Oh by the way. Go f*ck yourself test tube boy. I crap bigger than you on your best day.

Now have a nice day.
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Wow. :Q Those are easily two of the most ignorant posts ever to grace the pages of ATOT (and that's saying a lot).
 


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<< No, see there is a consensus now. Everyone agrees that HUMAN induced global warming is happening. True, earth goes through warming and cooling cycles. Heck, we are expected to enter an ice-age within 600 years. >>



What's the point of debating someone who argues from a position of such brainwashed partisan ignorance as this?
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Is it your contention, then, that humans do not contribute at all?
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No, that is not what I said, nor is it the claim I responded to.

Hints: "Everyone" "Consensus"
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Maybe I shouldn't have put my question in a reply.

I'm just trying to find out if people think that:
A) Global warming is happening?
B) Humans are contributing?


































































































 


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<< No, see there is a consensus now. Everyone agrees that HUMAN induced global warming is happening. True, earth goes through warming and cooling cycles. Heck, we are expected to enter an ice-age within 600 years. >>



What's the point of debating someone who argues from a position of such brainwashed partisan ignorance as this?
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Is it your contention, then, that humans do not contribute at all?
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No, that is not what I said, nor is it the claim I responded to.

Hints: "Everyone" "Consensus"
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Maybe I shouldn't have put my question in a reply.

I'm just trying to find out if people think that:
A) Global warming is happening?
B) Humans are contributing?
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A. It looks like it from the evidence. Of course, just 30 years ago basically the same scientists were swearing we were headed into a new ice age. soooo... :::shrug:::

B. Unknown. I have seen compeling evidence from both sides of the debate... but nothing conclusive. Anyone who claims to "know" is simply showing bias in my opinion.
 


<< Wow. Those are easily two of the most ignorant posts ever to grace the pages of ATOT (and that's saying a lot). >>


Haven't been here long have you? You guys really need to work on your put downs. It's like clockwork. The same old stuff all of the time. You could take a lesson from Red Dawn. The king of the original put down. He could slam you in the ground and make you think he was doing you a service. Now all we get is the same old stuff dredged up around the net.

Back to the topic.
Is it a good idea for the people funding the research to also be involved with the outcome on a political basis?
Example: Is it a good idea to take as gospel the results of a study commisioned by any group that has a political agenda on either side of an issue. For example the Sierra club on the endangered species act. Careers have been made in the press for uncovering and criticizing such one sided studies put forth by corporations. Is it only the politically correct studies that should be seen as lily white and beyond reproach. Scientists working on politically correct issues are beyond having their objectivity questioned?

Do scientists enjoy being used as political cannon fodder?

Which is more dangerous, a study using bad science for political gain, or the scientific community standing up and saying "we really don't know one way or the other"? IMHO the former is way more dangerous than an admission of not knowing because the general public only know what they've been told.

Does anybody here know how many American jobs would have been lost if Kyoto were ratified, or does that really matter?
Speaking for the people in this country who get dirty for a living making most of the things most people take for granted, it does matter.

 
To tiger, A1 and others: I'm sorry if you feel upset about global warming. But it has stood the test of peer-review which to non scientists: peer-review is an international scientific standard. It means that when you want to publish scientific discoveries, you submit a paper to a scientific journal. The journal will then forward you paper to at least 2 experts in the field, ie your peers, for a critical review. To reduce bias, the review is double blind where you will not know who made the review of your article (maybe your article was turned down) and the reviewer will not now the authors of the paper until after the review, if the journal decides to publish your paper. The most well known peer-reviewed journals are Nature and Science. Journals and magazines with no peer-review, is not regarded as "scientific journals", since they have no external control of the quality of the works presented. I assume you are familiar with the National Academies of Science. NAS was created in 1863 by the US Congress, in order to provide advice to the goverment in scientific and techinal issues. NAS presently has about 2200 members, elected on merit in science. (Check their member list and you will recognise many famous names from many fields.) Thus, the NAS is an expert organ, and is reflecting mainstream (as opposed to highly unusual or highly controversial) science. Since NAS is the official scientific organ advicing the government, it has presented several official statements about science in general. NAS has recommended the US government to curb greenhouse gases because there is indeed global warming.

As for hypothesis generation (grant proposals) it's fundamental to all science. Science could not progress without speculation and belief that lead to testable hypothesis and money in required to do so. The central difference between scientific speculation and other speculations or believes, is that scientific speculation must make predictions that can be tested. Otherwise it's not defined as science.

A scientific theory must fulfil some criteria.

- it must have internal consistency
- it must be testable and falsifiable
- it must make testable predictions
- it must have a higher explanatory power that the currently dominant theory (ie it must explain at least those phenomena that the dominant theory is explaining)

I think it's scary people don't understand how science works. The building of a scientific theory is very different from building personal theories and ideas about things and we connot use scientific "laws", "theory" and "facts" interchangeably. . Science is a method for describing how the world works. It's a self revising process. If you're looking for everlasting truths, science can't help you. Static systems like religion are much better suited for that. Global warming is the current consensus in the scientific community. Again, don't take my word for this, check it out. If you can present a scientific theory that is equal to or better, than Global warming and I promise you I will abandon the current consensous the same minute and even start spreading the word.

Remember though, that a you thoery must fulfil the same criterion and withstand the same tests as any other scientific theory (as global warming has done so far). A scientific theory is not revised by statements of personal opinions or untestable speculation. The same rules apply as everywhere in science:

1. Disproving/falsifying global warmingis not enough. You have to present evidence that supports your own theory and make testable predictions from your theory.

2. References to studies or observations that support your theory may be taken from peer-reviewed scientific journals only. (Everybody knows Nature and Science, but there are many, many such journals. Lists of scientific journals are available on the net.)
 


<< Haven't been here long have you? You guys really need to work on your put downs. It's like clockwork. The same old stuff all of the time. You could take a lesson from Red Dawn. The king of the original put down. He could slam you in the ground and make you think he was doing you a service. Now all we get is the same old stuff dredged up around the net. >>


Actually, his comment was quite accurate. No need for fancy slams involving your mom or farm animals or anything like that. You said that scientists are a bunch of worthless leeches living fat off government cheese and never lifting a finger to do anything other than try to mooch more money. As you clearly have no idea what you're talking about (all of your assertations being in fact false), you are guilty as charged: an ignorant dipsh*t.

Fausto
 


<< No need for fancy slams involving your mom or farm animals or anything like that. You said that scientists are a bunch of worthless leeches living fat off government cheese and never lifting a finger to do anything other than try to mooch more money. As you clearly have no idea what you're talking about (all of your assertations being in fact false), you are guilty as charged: an ignorant dipsh*t. >>



Ooooh! Nooooo! The big bad scientist called me a name. I really expected better from someone like you. Your education and all.
Which matchbook did you mail in for that degree?

My assertions are false because you say they are? And you arrogant f*cks wonder why your ranked right up there with used car salesmen on the "most trusted" scale.



 


<< Ooooh! Nooooo! The big bad scientist called me a name. I really expected better from someone like you. Your education and all.
Which matchbook did you mail in for that degree?
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Actually I both called you a name and stated a fact. You are in fact ignorant. You refuse to acknowledge the fact that your life is better in many ways thanks to science. You instead choose to focus on the research surrounding global warming and discount any results indicative that it may indeed be happening because it might cost jobs. You seem to forget that you did not contract a variety of interesting diseases such as polio, rubella, etc, etc thanks to science. The dipsh*t part was just thrown in for embellishment.

As for my education: Bachelor of Science: Chemistry. Bachelor of Arts: Biology. Emory University 1993

Master's Science: Molecular Biology. Emory Univeristy 1996.


This might indicate that I know a hell of a lot more about the scientific world than a burger-flipper like you, so why not just shut up before you dig yourself in any deeper, O elite one?

Fausto
 


<< Thus, the NAS is an expert organ, and is reflecting mainstream (as opposed to highly unusual or highly controversial) science. Since NAS is the official scientific organ advicing the government, it has presented several official statements about science in general. NAS has recommended the US government to curb greenhouse gases because there is indeed global warming. >>





<< You instead choose to focus on the research surrounding global warming and discount any results indicative that it may indeed be happening because it might cost jobs. >>



May be happening? Which is it?



<< You refuse to acknowledge the fact that your life is better in many ways thanks to science >>


Where did I say that? I criticized junk science for political or financial gain.



<< This might indicate that I know a hell of a lot more about the scientific world than a burger-flipper like you >>


As has been said many times before, ASSumption is the mother of all f*ck-ups. Who's digging the hole?



 
all you need to know is that Paul Ehrlich is one of the leading proponents of this theory. all his other work was "peer-reviewed" as well. and 90% of it is crapola, also. population bomb, my butt. same with warming. another way to get in your pocket under the guise of "helping" you.
 


<< all you need to know is that Paul Ehrlich is one of the leading proponents of this theory. all his other work was "peer-reviewed" as well. and 90% of it is crapola, also. population bomb, my butt. same with warming. another way to get in your pocket under the guise of "helping" you. >>



:::Sigh:::

Your undertstanding of science or the scientific method is nill. I illustrated as crystal clearly as I could if you're looking for everlasting truths science can't help you. Many thoeries are proven wrong but only after they meet the exact blueprint which lead to the wrong one becomming a thoery in the first place and then only after they falseify the previous theory. I recommend you some reading on epistemology.
 
yeah, i guess i am clueless. it's so easy to get out of 2 Big Ten schools graduate programs by age 24. maybe you should tutor me. Ehrlich is a quack, period. that is all i'm saying. don't tell everyone "peer review" is the be all-end all. it's not. it's the shield that incompetence hides behind. "well, it was peer reviewed, so it'll hold up, no matter how bad the actual science is." i'm not saying that global warming is hogwash, just this particular theory. it is too easily refuted.
 


<< yeah, i guess i am clueless. it's so easy to get out of 2 Big Ten schools graduate programs by age 24. maybe you should tutor me. Ehrlich is a quack, period. that is all i'm saying. don't tell everyone "peer review" is the be all-end all. it's not. it's the shield that incompetence hides behind. "well, it was peer reviewed, so it'll hold up, no matter how bad the actual science is." i'm not saying that global warming is hogwash, just this particular theory. it is too easily refuted. >>



Do you have a more infalible method? I would love to see something better than what we've been using for 75 years. But it is the "be-all end-all "currently, and it's the only evidence that allowed in court as FACT unlike expert scientific opinion.

With your educational background it's really scary to me do don't understand how science works.
 


<< You guys really need to work on your put downs >>

LMAO, yes truly my "put downs" pale in comparison to your own razor wit. Who could forget the immortal "Go f*ck yourself test tube boy"? Or how about "I crap bigger than you on your best day"? Truly, the stuff of legend...only a man of unparalleled genius could possibly craft such deadly barbs.
rolleye.gif


At any rate, you need to brush up on the definition of "put down". My comment was merely an observation and is, frankly, impossible to refute in light of the evidence at hand. Your own posts speak for themselves. However, for the sake of amusement I would be interested to know some examples of what you consider to be "real jobs" (since science evidently does not meet your oh-so-stringent standards). You apparently acknowledge that science has improved your life (<---Understatement of the Year, right there) and yet the men who spent their lives making that improvement possible do not have "real jobs" in your estimation. The hypocrisy is delicious.

Why are you so defensive about your own ignorance anyway? Perhaps it's time to tone your ego down a shade. The world is a vast place and it is impossible for any of us to know even a drop in the bucket of 21st century knowledge. I, like everyone on this planet, am ignorant in many fields, but unlike you I accept my limitations and am not so arrogant as to argue over a subject I know nothing about. For example, if the Pope and his cardinals are debating some nuance of the Bible it would be presumptuous of me, an outsider, to interfere. Since you clearly have no concept of the nature of science you would be well-served to embrace the same principle in this case.
 


<< Global Warming is REAL >>



You are correct... so is Global Cooling. (Remember the Ice Age?)
The earth warms, the earth cools, the earth gets juuust right. Don't need a phd to figger that one out.
 
Right on, exp!

Please keep this thread civil. And please try to do something to reduce your impact maybe once a day. There is a lot that everyone can do without reducing your quality of life.Have fun.

Happy 4-20!
 


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<< Global Warming is REAL >>

You are correct... so is Global Cooling. (Remember the Ice Age?) The earth warms, the earth cools, the earth gets juuust right. Don't need a phd to figger that one out.
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Death is real too. Don't need a PhD to figger that one out. Looking forward to seeing what it's like?
 


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<< Global Warming is REAL >>



You are correct... so is Global Cooling. (Remember the Ice Age?)
The earth warms, the earth cools, the earth gets juuust right. Don't need a phd to figger that one out.
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and you also don't need to be a phd to figure out that global warming and cooling is harmfull to the organisms living on the planet.

Do people simply not care about wilderness? A change in climate would cost the world trillions of dollars that it wouldn't be able to afford. This problem is happening because of humans. It is only in our intrest.
 


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<< You guys really need to work on your put downs >>

LMAO, yes truly my "put downs" pale in comparison to your own razor wit. Who could forget the immortal "Go f*ck yourself test tube boy"? Or how about "I crap bigger than you on your best day"? Truly, the stuff of legend...only a man of unparalleled genius could possibly craft such deadly barbs.
rolleye.gif


At any rate, you need to brush up on the definition of "put down". My comment was merely an observation and is, frankly, impossible to refute in light of the evidence at hand. Your own posts speak for themselves. However, for the sake of amusement I would be interested to know some examples of what you consider to be "real jobs" (since science evidently does not meet your oh-so-stringent standards). You apparently acknowledge that science has improved your life (<---Understatement of the Year, right there) and yet the men who spent their lives making that improvement possible do not have "real jobs" in your estimation. The hypocrisy is delicious.

Why are you so defensive about your own ignorance anyway? Perhaps it's time to tone your ego down a shade. The world is a vast place and it is impossible for any of us to know even a drop in the bucket of 21st century knowledge. I, like everyone on this planet, am ignorant in many fields, but unlike you I accept my limitations and am not so arrogant as to argue over a subject I know nothing about. For example, if the Pope and his cardinals are debating some nuance of the Bible it would be presumptuous of me, an outsider, to interfere. Since you clearly have no concept of the nature of science you would be well-served to embrace the same principle in this case.
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God I wish I could do this🙂
 
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