5150Joker
Diamond Member
Says Rollo the troll that was banned from here and welcomed by Kyle's open arms. Thanks for proving my point Rollo, HardOCP is only embraced by nV trolls like yourself.
Says Rollo the troll that was banned from here and welcomed by Kyle's open arms. Thanks for proving my point Rollo, HardOCP is only embraced by nV trolls like yourself.
5150Joker
Diamond Member
Only banned nV trolls like Rollo (aka falllenangell) and Wreckage think HardOCP is credible. Everyone else with an iota of intelligence knows better.
I like the gt sli option myself except its only 256mb. Not sure how this will affect the upcoming games. I guess thats why I went with the a single card solution with 512mb of memory.
I have an xtx btw .
I have an xtx btw .
Not to mention a quick visit to widescreengamingforum.com would set up 1920x1200 on most games. Sounds like a crappy review.
Wreckage
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The irony is that you were banned from Hardocp for being a troll :laugh:
My sig is clearly a joke, your sig is outright ATI sales pimping. Are you so blinded by your own troll juice that you can't see what a hypocrite you are for even saying that?
I'm sure your odd man\machine love for ATI goes over well at Rage3d. As far as Rollo, you do everything that you were bashing him for. At least AEG gave him something for it, what do you get, except ridiculed? But I guess you can't hear that over all your fan noise.
Speaking for everyone these days 5150?
I don't know who "Rollo" is, but Kyle is a well respected web journalist. Thousands read his reviews. Your audience is limited to us?
5150Joker
Diamond Member
I'm not banned at HardOCP genius.
My sig offers great deals on the best cards on the market. It's not my problem that nVidia has cards that cost more and have less features with eye poking needle AF. If nVidia had technological and IQ parity at a matching pricepoint, I'd be "pimping" their cards too - much like I did when 7800 GTX was the dominant card.
5150Joker
Diamond Member
Give it up Rollo, you're not fooling anyone. I gave you too much credit before, I thought you'd be reasonably intelligent enough to change your posting style when you re-registered after being banned but I guess not. So are you using a proxy or dialup?
5150Joker
Diamond Member
I was temp banned there before when I called out Rollo's (aka falllenangell) typical b.s. Kyle and his mod crew have to earn their nV paycheck and I guess one clause in that contract is to protect AEG trolls like Rollo at all costs. Kyle always resorts to banning people when they point out obvious flaws in his crap reviews. LOL@ bitch tits, I hear Rollo (350 lbs) has some too. Maybe all nV trolls/editors are effeminate males?
Zebo
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Since I hav'nt regualrly read their pages in almost 2 years I can't say if he's bias or not more a problem with methodology as described and other example I've talked about before. How do you like how he "tells" you what you shoud game at? 60 FPS is a slow joke.
Guys, I think loads of you are silly for turning every thread in to a war of sorts.
It's just sad and pathetic and its making the Anand forums a depressing place to post.
Also, Joker, not being funny or trying to encite any kind of negativity, but why are you advertising only ATI, or advertising ATI at all in your sig?
You cant expect to take the layman ordinary forum poster to take your posts seriously or without bias if you have that kind of sig.
It's just sad and pathetic and its making the Anand forums a depressing place to post.
Also, Joker, not being funny or trying to encite any kind of negativity, but why are you advertising only ATI, or advertising ATI at all in your sig?
You cant expect to take the layman ordinary forum poster to take your posts seriously or without bias if you have that kind of sig.
5150Joker
Diamond Member
I answered that question above but I'll repost it: My sig offers great deals on the best cards on the market. It's not my problem that nVidia has cards that cost more and have less features with eye poking needle AF. If nVidia had technological and IQ parity at a matching pricepoint, I'd be "pimping" their cards too - much like I did when 7800 GTX was the dominant card.
5150Joker
Diamond Member
Yeah his basis for determining playability is subjective at best. What I find interesting is that if you look at his 7900 GTX review, many of his results deviate from most other reviews. So not only is the methodology somewhat flawed, their results are as well.
Zebo
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In all fairnees a 7900GT would roast that 1800XT for same price.. remember the reviews you saw were at slow 425 default nV clocks - Most cards sell way overclocked, 520Mhz in some cases, and have mucho headroom for OCers... not sure that's a good pimp.
Fair enough, if you think that.
But I have to wholy disagree on the "eye poking needle AF" comment.
Thats taken way out of proportion.
And as an owner of both SLI 7900 GT's, and an X1900 XTX, 6800 Ultra and 9700 Pro (un-biased) I can vouch for that.
Hey, many thanks for all the comments. I didn't have the chance to come back and check the thread. I have to visit the links provided and add more to the discussion.
A few thoughts tough:
1) I planned getting the 7900 GT SLI last week, but they are nowhere to be found. The store I normally buy my stuff had 2 GTX on the window shop, I got them after some begging. Not a smart move I guess, but I can return them until Tuesday.
2) The GTX has the 512MB advantage. At high res., with AA AF HQ etc, the memory on the video will be used. The difference between a GT and GTX will be on the minimum framerates if the 256MB limit is breached.
3) About additional benchmarks, very few online reviews are showing the minimum framerates - this and fps average combined tell me more than the maximum FPS.
My wife told me to keep both cards, so I would not waste more time.....It is not a wise suggestion, it is like telling a kid to have chocolate for dinner......
I just have to convince myself. 500 bucks is a lot of money. 24 hours more to think about....
A few thoughts tough:
1) I planned getting the 7900 GT SLI last week, but they are nowhere to be found. The store I normally buy my stuff had 2 GTX on the window shop, I got them after some begging. Not a smart move I guess, but I can return them until Tuesday.
2) The GTX has the 512MB advantage. At high res., with AA AF HQ etc, the memory on the video will be used. The difference between a GT and GTX will be on the minimum framerates if the 256MB limit is breached.
3) About additional benchmarks, very few online reviews are showing the minimum framerates - this and fps average combined tell me more than the maximum FPS.
My wife told me to keep both cards, so I would not waste more time.....It is not a wise suggestion, it is like telling a kid to have chocolate for dinner......
I just have to convince myself. 500 bucks is a lot of money. 24 hours more to think about....
5150Joker
Diamond Member
Unfortunatley your vouching for nVidia doesn't change the facts that their hardware has terrible shimmering/crawling in many popular games and lacks angle independent AF - respected websites like bit-tech have noted the IQ disparity and even nV's own mouthpiece HardOCP had to admit it. I too have a 6800 Go Ultra, had a 7800 GTX and now an X1900 XTX and on my 20" LCD, the differences are readily apparent. I'm getting a 7900 Go (whenever it's released) for my XPS 2 so I'll gladly do another FRAPs video like I did in the past with my 7800 GTX to show just how poor it's AF can be.
I appreciate that Nvidia does indeed have shimmering and crawling problems, hell i think most people know that. That's not what I was trying to get at, what I meant was that the term "eye poking needle AF" was too harsh.
I'm currently playing Battlefield 2, Counter Strike and Half Life 2 through again.
I very rarely notice shimmering, and when I do its either on a floor (wet surfaces or gridded) or a fence of some sort (usually only one fence piece out of say 5) but again, they are not so regular in their showings and also not really very detracting from gameplay either. I only noticed much of the shimmering from gaming because people mentioned it in the first place, otherwise I may have hardly taken note. Point being, "sometimes annoying AF" might be a more suitable way of describing Nvidias AF. Because thats all it is, sometimes (infact closer to rarely) annoying. Nothing more.
And for the record, both my cards have these issues (XTX and GT SLI), it's just the Nvidia cards have it worse.
Wreckage
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Listen to your wife. Not only do you get to keep the cards, but it was her idea :thumbsup:
Despite the arguments between 5150 and myself, the links provided should give you an overall outlook of what to expect. The Hardocp article does have minimum and average fps listed and was tested on the Dell 2405.
The HardOCP review should not be taken seriously, the reuslts simply do not match every other review site. For instance the 7900 GT beating out an X1900 XTX in FEAR?
That's ridiculous, this is coming from an owner of both cards.
HardOCP's review is extremely bias, and I suggest you do not base your views on it.
I don't think shimmering is a good argument, as both X1900 and 7900 have the shimmering problem. You can greatly reduce it by setting HQ on drivers plus "lod clamp" on Nvidia and AL OFF on ATI.
The point was shimmering, I will not go into IQ and AF discussion. This thread is not about ATI x Nvidia, it is about the need of 1 good card or 2 of them. Both Nvidia and ATI are OK on my list.
I tried both cards. Actually, the X1900 was worse for me on Guild Wars then the 7900GTX - for shimmering. Plus the noise issue, that made me pick the GTX.
Despite having a Nvidia for the last generation, I used to go with ATI since the 9700Pro.
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