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For Obama, charity really began in the U.S. Senate

Specop 007

Diamond Member
It would seem "Hope and Change" is going to be paid for by YOUR money. Of course those who most want to help the little guy dont want to actually pay for it themselves! Much easier to promise the most worthless help by taking money from the most successful.....

It makes me wonder how many of the "Save the Children" liberals on this board actually put their money where their mouth is.....I doubt very few, beyond the national average anyways.....

Much easier to SAY we need to help them rather then actually DO anything.


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For Obama, charity really began in the U.S. Senate

By Bob Secter | Tribune staff reporter
April 25, 2007

Giving, service and compassion are recurrent themes on the campaign trail for Sen. Barack Obama, but the Democratic presidential contender has only recently dug deep into his own pockets to support charitable causes.

Obama has enjoyed a robust household income throughout his political career in the Illinois Senate and the U.S. Senate. But for most of that time he has reported comparatively little by national standards in charitable contributions on his tax returns, records released by Obama show.

Public attention to charitable gifts has led to uncomfortable moments for prominent political figures. Then-Vice President Al Gore came in for withering ridicule in 1998 when his tax return showed he had contributed just $353 to charity. So did then-President Bill Clinton, after a review of old tax returns revealed that he had once claimed a $75 deduction for donating a suit with ripped pants to the Salvation Army, as well as $2 for a pair of used underwear and $9 for six pairs of used socks.

Obama's household income has been inflated the last two years from the proceeds of lucrative book deals he signed shortly before entering the Senate in 2005. He pledged to turn over $200,000 of the book money to charity.

On their just-filed 2006 tax return, Obama and his wife, a hospital administrator, reported taxable income of $983,626 and claimed deductions for $60,307 in charitable donations. In 2005 they earned a combined $1.65 million and gave away about $77,300.

In 2002, the year before Obama launched his campaign for U.S. Senate, the Obamas reported income of $259,394, ranking them in the top 2 percent of U.S. households, according to Census Bureau statistics. That year the Obamas claimed $1,050 in deductions for gifts to charity, or 0.4 percent of their income. The average U.S. household totaled $1,872 in gifts to charity in 2002, according to the Center on Philanthropy at Indiana University.

The national average for charitable giving has long hovered at 2.2 percent of household income, according to the Glenview-based Giving USA Foundation, which tracks trends in philanthropy. Obama tax returns dating to 1997 show he fell well below that benchmark until 2005, the year he arrived in Washington.

Both Obama and his wife, Michelle, declined to respond to questions about their charitable donations.

Gene Tempel, executive director of Indiana's philanthropy center, said 89 percent of U.S. households give to charity each year and Americans expect to see personal generosity from public servants as well. "They have a bully pulpit to influence the behavior of others and they have an opportunity to lead by example," Tempel said.

Elected officials and political candidates are not required to release their tax returns, and Obama may be the only major presidential contender to have done so this year, making it difficult to compare his charitable giving with that of his rivals.

President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney released their 2006 returns this month. Bush and the first lady reported gifts to charities and non-profits totaling $78,100 on income of $765,801. Cheney and his wife had income of $1.6 million and gave $104,425 to charity.

Politicians who do make their returns public typically say they are doing so in a show of transparency. But Democratic strategist Chris Lehane said the disclosures also lead to a "naked moment" for those politicians by giving voters a glimpse of what they're like outside the limelight.


High price for being chintzy

Candidates who skimp on personal donations risk a political price, said Lehane, a former spokesman for Gore who also worked in the Clinton White House.

"For a Democrat in particular, given that they tend to be professing a 'we, not me' message, it's always an opportunity to step on the third rail if your charitable contributions don't stack up," Lehane said.

Obama has worked as a community organizer in poor South Side neighborhoods and has served on the boards of prominent Chicago-based philanthropies. His commitment to community service plays a central role in the two best-selling books he has published, and he often talks about the importance of reaching out to those in need.

"There's a lot of talk in this country about the federal deficit," he told Northwestern University graduates last year at commencement ceremonies. "But I think we should talk more about our empathy deficit -- the ability to put ourselves in someone else's shoes, to see the world through those who are different from us: the child who's hungry, the laid-off steelworker, the immigrant woman cleaning your dorm room."

Obama released several years of past tax returns during his 2004 U.S. Senate run and has made subsequent returns public as well. Illinois' other senator, Democrat Dick Durbin, also discloses his annual taxes. Over the last decade, Durbin has consistently devoted a share of his income to charity that is above the national norm, sometimes double.

Obama signed two book deals worth nearly $2.3 million before entering the Senate. He received about $1.2 million of the book money in 2005, but tax records show the Obamas lived comfortably before then.

From 1997 through 2004, Obama earned dual paychecks for his work as a state lawmaker and as a lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School. Over the same period, his wife, Michelle, worked first for the University of Chicago and then for the University of Chicago Hospitals. Their household income also was augmented in most years by thousands of dollars Obama earned from practicing law, giving speeches or serving as a director of charitable foundations.
 
He had much more reliable and more lucrative paths to wealth but he served people instead, that is a kind of charity that can't be put on an IRS form. Bush and Cheney can empty their wallets but it still won't make up for the damage they've caused.
 
Originally posted by: Farang
He had much more reliable and more lucrative paths to wealth but he served people instead, that is a kind of charity that can't be put on an IRS form. Bush and Cheney can empty their wallets but it still won't make up for the damage they've caused.

HAHAHA

Top 2% of earners in the nation is choosing to serve the people instead??

You keep sellin that story...... :laugh:

ALL PRAISE TO OBAMAMESSIAH! He taketh only 1 million per year in the interest of serving the public!
 
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Farang
He had much more reliable and more lucrative paths to wealth but he served people instead, that is a kind of charity that can't be put on an IRS form. Bush and Cheney can empty their wallets but it still won't make up for the damage they've caused.

HAHAHA

Top 2% of earners in the nation is choosing to serve the people instead??

You keep sellin that story...... LOL

If you think any of our leaders are in anything but the top 2% (or won't be soon if they are new to the scene) you are delusional. Just because he is rich now doesn't mean he always has been or didn't give up the opportunity to be more wealthy. There is nothing wrong with the income from his books, show me some dirty cash he has taken then we can talk.
 
A guy who grew up in a single parent middle class family and left a lucrative law career to work as a community organizer hasn't given as much money as the scion of an incredibly wealthy family whose roots in America trace back to passengers on the Mayflower three hundred years ago? There's just no logical basis for this whatsoever.

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Much easier to SAY we need to help them rather then actually DO anything.

Yeah, Senator Obama hasn't actually ever DONE anything to help the downtrodden.
 
Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Farang
He had much more reliable and more lucrative paths to wealth but he served people instead, that is a kind of charity that can't be put on an IRS form. Bush and Cheney can empty their wallets but it still won't make up for the damage they've caused.

HAHAHA

Top 2% of earners in the nation is choosing to serve the people instead??

You keep sellin that story...... LOL

If you think any of our leaders are in anything but the top 2% (or won't be soon if they are new to the scene) you are delusional. Just because he is rich now doesn't mean he always has been or didn't give up the opportunity to be more wealthy. There is nothing wrong with the income from his books, show me some dirty cash he has taken then we can talk.

No, you have shown me the Light., Obamamessiah has made huge sacrifices in choosing only a lowly 1 million per year income to help in serving the public. I'm sold. Such valiant sacrifices he has made! For me!! I feel blessed knowing Obamamessiah has chosen a life of frugality and poverty to the tune of 1 million per year to see us lowly citizens interests served.

:laugh:

For someone whos campaign is helping the little guy, he sure as shit doesnt go out of his way to do it with HIS money!
 
Originally posted by: yllus
A guy who grew up in a single parent middle class family and left a lucrative law career to work as a community organizer hasn't given as much money as the scion of an incredibly wealthy family whose roots in America trace back to passengers on the Mayflower three hundred years ago? There's just no logical basis for this whatsoever.

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Much easier to SAY we need to help them rather then actually DO anything.

Yeah, Senator Obama hasn't actually ever DONE anything to help the downtrodden.

What has he done?

And there is a logical basis. If your going to stand in front of the nation and preach about how we need to make sacrifices for the good of the nation you damn well better back it up by making your own sacrifices.

A cool million per year hardly strikes me as a sacrifice......
 
Originally posted by: yllus
A guy who grew up in a single parent middle class family and left a lucrative law career to work as a community organizer hasn't given as much money as the scion of an incredibly wealthy family whose roots in America trace back to passengers on the Mayflower three hundred years ago? There's just no logical basis for this whatsoever.

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Much easier to SAY we need to help them rather then actually DO anything.

Yeah, Senator Obama hasn't actually ever DONE anything to help the downtrodden.

Meh, why bother? He is just going to have to look that word up anyhow. Of all the knocks I have heard against Obama this one takes the cake.
 
Originally posted by: Farang
He had much more reliable and more lucrative paths to wealth but he served people instead,
One thing that is interesting about the Obama community organizer thing is how the media has been lying to people.

They make it sound like Obama the Harvard law grad passed up a job as a high powered lawyer to become a community organizer, but that is 100% false.

Obama went to law school AFTER his time as an organizer. He was not even a Harvard alum at the time having graduated from Columbia, certainly a good school in its own right.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Farang
He had much more reliable and more lucrative paths to wealth but he served people instead,
One thing that is interesting about the Obama community organizer thing is how the media has been lying to people.

They make it sound like Obama the Harvard law grad passed up a job as a high powered lawyer to become a community organizer, but that is 100% false.

Obama went to law school AFTER his time as an organizer. He was not even a Harvard alum at the time having graduated from Columbia, certainly a good school in its own right.

Columbia grads can't land high paying jobs?

From wikipedia:
Obama directed Illinois Project Vote from April to October 1992, a voter registration drive with a staff of 10 and 700 volunteers that achieved its goal of registering 150,000 of 400,000 unregistered African Americans in the state, leading Crain's Chicago Business to name Obama to its 1993 list of "40 under Forty" powers to be.[22][23]

Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years, as a Lecturer for four years (1992?1996), and as a Senior Lecturer for eight years (1996?2004).[24]

In 1993 Obama joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a 12-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004, with his law license becoming inactive in 2002.[12][25]

Certainly not someone who is rejecting money altogether, but not necessarily chasing it either. A Harvard Law grad can make a hell of a lot more money between April and October doing something beside registering voters.
 
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: yllus
A guy who grew up in a single parent middle class family and left a lucrative law career to work as a community organizer hasn't given as much money as the scion of an incredibly wealthy family whose roots in America trace back to passengers on the Mayflower three hundred years ago? There's just no logical basis for this whatsoever.

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Much easier to SAY we need to help them rather then actually DO anything.

Yeah, Senator Obama hasn't actually ever DONE anything to help the downtrodden.

Meh, why bother? He is just going to have to look that word up anyhow. Of all the knocks I have heard against Obama this one takes the cake.

Why bother indeed. The empty suit Messiah worshippers think Obama has STRUGGLED, and SACRIFICED...And damnit a lowly million per year is proof of that!

Its ridiculous. If The Messiah was truly wanting to help the poor why doesnt he take the million a year and give 900,000 to local charities and minority organizations? Oh right, The Messiah deserves a more lavish lifestyle then 100k can buy him. Much better to force the taxpayers to give their money......

Just like any "Help the poor" politician. Live the lavish life of wealth and force the moderately successful to give their money to help the poor. Sounds like all the other politicians and dictators throughout time.
 
Originally posted by: Specop 007
What has he done?

And there is a logical basis. If your going to stand in front of the nation and preach about how we need to make sacrifices for the good of the nation you damn well better back it up by making your own sacrifices.

A cool million per year hardly strikes me as a sacrifice......

So, really, you started this thread without having a clue as to what the man you're criticizing has actually done? Smooth.

Obama's Community Roots

In 1985, freshly graduated from Columbia University and working for a New York business consultant, Barack Obama decided to become a community organizer. Though he liked the idea, he didn't understand what the job involved, and his inquiries turned up few opportunities.

Then he got a call from Jerry Kellman, an organizer working on Chicago's far South Side for a community group based in the churches of the region, an expanse of white, black and Latino blue-collar neighborhoods that were reeling from the steel-mill closings. Kellman was looking for an organizer for the new Developing Communities Project (DCP), which would focus on black city neighborhoods.

Obama, only 24, struck board members as "awesome" and "extremely impressive," and they quickly hired him, at $13,000 a year, plus $2,000 for a car--a beat-up blue Honda Civic, which Obama drove for the next three years organizing more than twenty congregations to change their neighborhoods.

Despite some meaningful victories, the work of Obama--and hundreds of other organizers--did not transform the South Side or restore lost industries. But it did change the young man who became the junior senator from Illinois in 2004, and it provides clues to his worldview as he bids for the Democratic presidential nomination.

"I can't say we didn't make mistakes, that I knew what I was doing," Obama recalled three years ago to a boisterous convention of the still-active DCP. "Sometimes I called a meeting, and nobody showed up. Sometimes preachers said, 'Why should I listen to you?' Sometimes we tried to hold politicians accountable, and they didn't show up. I couldn't tell whether I got more out of it than this neighborhood."

But, he continued, "I grew up to be a man, right here, in this area. It's as a consequence of working with this organization and this community that I found my calling. There was something more than making money and getting a fancy degree. The measure of my life would be public service."

After a transient youth and an earnest search for identity, Obama also found a home--a community with which he continued relationships, a church and a political identity. He honed his talent for listening, learned pragmatic strategy, practiced bringing varied people together and developed a faith in ordinary citizens that still influences his campaign message. He discovered the importance of personal storytelling in politics (and wrote short stories that refined his style).

Later, as a politician, he worked closely with community groups (though not as ardently as another community organizer turned politician, the late Senator Paul Wellstone). As a presidential candidate, he frequently refers to his community organizing, asking supporters to treat his campaign as a social movement in which he is just "an imperfect vessel of your hopes and dreams."

Obama worked as an organizer at a time when Harold Washington's election as mayor stirred his hopes and dreams, as well as those of blacks and progressives in the city. Interviews with people who worked with him during that time elicited few complaints--virtually everyone described him in glowing terms, including dedicated, hard-working, dependable, intelligent, inspiring, a good listener, confident but self-effacing. They expressed admiration for him as an organizer who trained strong community leaders while keeping himself in the background and as a strategist who could turn general problems into specific, winnable issues. Loretta Augustine-Herron, a member of the DCP board that hired him, remembers him as someone who always followed the high road. "You've got to do it right," she recalls him insisting. "Be open with the issues. Include the community instead of going behind the community's back--and he would include people we didn't like sometimes. You've got to bring people together. If you exclude people, you're only weakening yourself. If you meet behind doors and make decisions for them, they'll never take ownership of the issue."

One day a resident at Altgeld Gardens, a geographically isolated public housing project surrounded by waste sites, brought a notice about planned removal of asbestos from the project manager's office. Obama organized the community to find out if there was asbestos in their apartments. They persisted as officials lied and delayed, then took a bus--with far fewer people than Obama had anticipated--to challenge authorities downtown. Ultimately, the city was forced to test all the apartments and eventually begin cleaning them up.

In his autobiography, Dreams From My Father, Obama writes that the bus trip changed him in a fundamental way, "because it hints at what might be possible and therefore spurs you on.... That bus ride kept me going, I think. Maybe it still does."

A recent Los Angeles Times report contended that Obama overstated his own importance, ignoring others who were working on environmental issues; but in the book he's extremely modest about his role and accomplishments, much as he was as an organizer when he refused fellow organizers' suggestions that he embellish the group's achievements. "There was no campaign without Barack," Kellman says. "He was there to get people to organize when they wouldn't organize at all." Hazel Johnson, a longtime Altgeld Gardens environmental activist, says, "Yeah, he's a good organizer. I've got to give it to him."

But Obama grew restless and eventually went to Harvard Law School.
 
This is no surprise honestly. Anybody remember gore in 2000 talking about giving more then turns out he had literally zero donations? And yes Obama gave more since joining the senate. But I have a feeling it was in an attempt to make it look better than it is when this subject comes up.
 
Originally posted by: Farang
He had much more reliable and more lucrative paths to wealth but he served people instead, that is a kind of charity that can't be put on an IRS form. Bush and Cheney can empty their wallets but it still won't make up for the damage they've caused.

That is pretty rich, honestly.

 
Originally posted by: yllus
A guy who grew up in a single parent middle class family and left a lucrative law career to work as a community organizer
What lucrative career? Read what I just posted and then read up on his life.

He became a lawyer AFTER his time as an organizer.

I suppose you could say that Obama stopped helping people she he could get a law degree and make more money for himself, but that wouldn't be a totally correct interpretation.
 
Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Farang
He had much more reliable and more lucrative paths to wealth but he served people instead, that is a kind of charity that can't be put on an IRS form. Bush and Cheney can empty their wallets but it still won't make up for the damage they've caused.

HAHAHA

Top 2% of earners in the nation is choosing to serve the people instead??

You keep sellin that story...... LOL

If you think any of our leaders are in anything but the top 2% (or won't be soon if they are new to the scene) you are delusional. Just because he is rich now doesn't mean he always has been or didn't give up the opportunity to be more wealthy. There is nothing wrong with the income from his books, show me some dirty cash he has taken then we can talk.

You do realize they are talking %'s right? It doesnt matter his income and it doesnt appear he has been poor for quite some time. The % of income he claims to donate is much lower than the nation avg.
 
Originally posted by: yllus
A guy who grew up in a single parent middle class family and left a lucrative law career to work as a community organizer hasn't given as much money as the scion of an incredibly wealthy family whose roots in America trace back to passengers on the Mayflower three hundred years ago? There's just no logical basis for this whatsoever.

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Much easier to SAY we need to help them rather then actually DO anything.

Yeah, Senator Obama hasn't actually ever DONE anything to help the downtrodden.

What does having roots dating back 400 years have to do with it? That is the lamest excuse yet.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: yllus
A guy who grew up in a single parent middle class family and left a lucrative law career to work as a community organizer
What lucrative career? Read what I just posted and then read up on his life.

He became a lawyer AFTER his time as an organizer.

I suppose you could say that Obama stopped helping people she he could get a law degree and make more money for himself, but that wouldn't be a totally correct interpretation.

Heaven forbid he want to advance his own career as well as help others. Selfish prick. He should have spent his entire life as the male Mother Teresa.

Originally posted by: Genx87
What does having roots dating back 400 years have to do with it? That is the lamest excuse yet.

Gee, maybe because he might not have had started with the same bottomless well of money to fall back on as someone in the Bush family?
 
Originally posted by: Specop 007

Why bother indeed. The empty suit Messiah worshippers think Obama has STRUGGLED, and SACRIFICED...And damnit a lowly million per year is proof of that!

Its ridiculous. If The Messiah was truly wanting to help the poor why doesnt he take the million a year and give 900,000 to local charities and minority organizations? Oh right, The Messiah deserves a more lavish lifestyle then 100k can buy him. Much better to force the taxpayers to give their money......

Just like any "Help the poor" politician. Live the lavish life of wealth and force the moderately successful to give their money to help the poor. Sounds like all the other politicians and dictators throughout time.

This might be confusing to you, but he didn't always make that much money. You see, he had to work hard at doing that, something you appear to be unfamiliar with. I'm sure you probably understand that point if you had someone read it to you.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Farang
He had much more reliable and more lucrative paths to wealth but he served people instead, that is a kind of charity that can't be put on an IRS form. Bush and Cheney can empty their wallets but it still won't make up for the damage they've caused.

HAHAHA

Top 2% of earners in the nation is choosing to serve the people instead??

You keep sellin that story...... LOL

If you think any of our leaders are in anything but the top 2% (or won't be soon if they are new to the scene) you are delusional. Just because he is rich now doesn't mean he always has been or didn't give up the opportunity to be more wealthy. There is nothing wrong with the income from his books, show me some dirty cash he has taken then we can talk.

You do realize they are talking %'s right? It doesnt matter his income and it doesnt appear he has been poor for quite some time. The % of income he claims to donate is much lower than the nation avg.

Where did I show that I didn't understand that he gives a relatively small percentage of his earnings to charity? I'm done with this thread, it is nothing but a bunch of partisans trying to play "gotcha" with one another and there is no actual discussion going on here.
 
Specop 007, I don't think you get it. Democrats AND Republicans are guilty of handing out OUR MONEY. They do it all year round. Why point out one individual?..... unless you have some sort of agenda in mind.
 
I didn't realize it was a contest. Thanks for bringing this up, because I was getting all focused on how each nominee stands on the issues again.
 
Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: yllus
A guy who grew up in a single parent middle class family and left a lucrative law career to work as a community organizer
What lucrative career? Read what I just posted and then read up on his life.

He became a lawyer AFTER his time as an organizer.

I suppose you could say that Obama stopped helping people she he could get a law degree and make more money for himself, but that wouldn't be a totally correct interpretation.

Heaven forbid he want to advance his own career as well as help others. Selfish prick. He should have spent his entire life as the male Mother Teresa.
-snip-

I've gotta disagree. I think he makes a good point.

We have been repeatedly led to believe that Obama passed up big bucks (on Wall Street, in big law firms etc to help the poor) after Harvard. If what ProfJohn is saying is true, that's a huge lie by Obama's campaign.

I looked up his degree from Columbia, it was an undergrad Poly Sci degree. There's no way he passed up big bucks with that, there is simply no opportunity for big bucks with an undergrad in poly sci. Link

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